[jay foden]

hi all can anyone  tell me how to run a flat surface cleaner from a water barrel in my van?  i only have a renault kangoo which is small but i have been told i can fit a 200 litre tank in and fill it while the customers tap is filling it?    a normal tap pressure is not powerfull enough to run a whirlaway for instance i have been told.  i have been using a normal kit for years but i need to upgrade for bigger jobs.   do i need a pump for greater pressure to feed more powerfull machine???  many thanks.

[chrisoleary]

Hi Jay, what kind of pump are you using at the moment? Have you tried using the FSC from house mains through your current pump? I suspect what people have been advising is using a tank as a reservoir to feed your pump as when you use a stronger pump it can starve of water from the house mains when working at full pressure. You connect the house water supply to the tank but then you need to feed your pump from the tank for your pump to work at its best. A couple of times my pump has struggled with house mains supply and the FSC does not work as well as it should. I simply backed off the revs a bit and had to spend a bit more time or use the turbo lance. I have bought the wheelie bin kit from Merrill Fox but have not got it set up yet, when I do I will let you know the results.

[jay foden]

hi mate im not using any pump at the moment. i just use an outside garden tap. this is fine for most small patio/ driveways but when i get the bigger machine and rotary washer thats when i will be needing a pump. i might get a whirlaway washer 18". ta.   any suggestions?

[Ged]

  Hi
to run a flat surface cleaner/ whirlaway efficiently you need a 250 bar machine delivering around 16 litres per minute otherwise stick to the turbo cos any less power and you will be wasting your time with a flat surface cleaner. the larger machines are  fed from a tank/ wheelie bin so are independant of the mains pressure. with the right pressure washer you will not need addittional pumps of any kind. have you thought about putting the pressure washer and tank on a small trailer with mesh sidings . that's what i do and it works great .when you are working just leave everything on the trailer and have plenty of hose. at the end of the day the trailer goes in the garage locked up and the mpv goes on the drive. speak to Jan at tech clean for details of their machines and for advice.


 regards ged

[Jeremy]

I'm interested to see your comment on a whirlaway needing 250bar and 16 litres per minute. I am also in the market for a flat surface spinner and have a Prochem Everest TM rated at 200bar (3000psi) and 17litres per minute.

I was led to believe that this would adequately power the whirlaway. If not then I need to look at a different spinner.

[Ged]

you may find the machine you've got is ok for the whirlaway flat surface cleaner. their technical department will advise you but i use the tech clean flat surface cleaner and have to run my rig at full bore to achieve a satisfactory result and even then there are often stubborn mossy or weeds left to be dealt with by the turbo lance. the tech clean fsc is good value it has castors and a skirt and is a lot cheaper than the whirlaway.  tech clean are well thought of and they are helpful if you have any questions.


Ged

[guscom]

Like the sound of a wheelie bin kit but who is Merril Fox

[drivewasher]

Hi all
FSC or any pressure washing equipment with a nozzle/s needs to have the nozzle oriface matched to the flow and pressure of the pump (pressure washer)
So for instance say a whurlaway (w/a) used on 250 bar 15litres/min pump would be fitted with different nozzles than the same W/A on a 200 bar 14 litres/min pump.
Basically you can't buy a FSC or even a high pressure lance and just expect it to work, it needs to be matched to the pump

My machine is 250 bar 15litres/min, looking at the nozzle chart to obtain 250 bar on the lance (single nozzle) has to be 04. so as the whurlaway has two nozzles to pass the same quantity of water and therefore run pump at 250 bar half the size nozzles are req, so I use two of 02 nozzles, hey presto magic, no mirrors involved

If you had say a 200 BAR pump at 16 litres/min flow, then a single nozzle on lance would need to be 05. and therefore FSC with two nozzles would need to have 025 nozzles fitted to maintain 200 BAR

Some FSC have 3 nozzles so you would divide the single requirement by 3 and use the nearest.

Tust me I,m a whurlaway doctor

[drivewasher]

I'm interested to see your comment on a whirlaway needing 250bar and 16 litres per minute. I am also in the market for a flat surface spinner and have a Prochem Everest TM rated at 200bar (3000psi) and 17litres per minute.

I was led to believe that this would adequately power the whirlaway. If not then I need to look at a different spinner.

A whurlaway would be ok on a 200Bar 17 Litres/min machine. You would need to make sure it is fitted with 025 nozzles or maybe 03. the lance for that spec pump should have a 055 nozzle fitted.
And as a lot of outside taps won't deliver 17 litres/min of water you need to suck from a tank or bin to ensure enough water. Running a high pressure pump with less water than it needs will cause major damage to seals and pistons ooch! big bucks

[Jeremy]

I have decided to go for the Hydroforce SX-12. Its similar to the Whirlaway but is more suited to what I need to do (inside work) with a vacuum pickup to return the water back to the machine.

Has any body cleaned with one before and If so, how effective are they.

[drivewasher]

Mosmatic do one it's stainless steel has a brush skirt and a port for vac extraction, ideal for inside use and very good quality.
Once again it's just a case of matching a set of nozzles to suit your pump

[RT cleaning]

i suppose you could use a wheelie bin as a feed tank, but as a good modification, what about fitting it with a drain tap (for end of job) and also a standard ball valve (about £4) so it will fill itself and shut off automatically requiring no attention during the job? :

[Kleen Machine]

My name is Merrill Fox and I have a discount pressure washer supply site out of the US. I have almost 29 years of experience in sales and service of pressure washers. Prior to that I owned a contract pressurewash company.

I have many customers in the UK that I have sent Whirl-a-ways, long wands, pressure washers, turbo nozzles, etc.

I am available to assist in equipment package selections, and with an address can give a delivered price to the nearest international airport that services that area. ( That is the best way to keep costs down, opposed to curb delivery ) I also use the US Postal service to send  parts, and accessories, including the whirl-a-ways, which are boxed for low cost shipping. ( your taxes or any clearing of customs for freighted orders are done by officials in the UK )

I am complimented on my service and the quality of my equipment, and told that I have saved my customers money.

I devised a tank/wheelie bin kit ( when I heard of your low pressue tap pressures) that I can install on machines prior to being shipped over there, or the kit can be sent over for the customer to install. It has a tank filter and can be fitted with a drain hose on request.( we have 3 way poly valves ) All of the plumbing is of the size needed to give maximum pressure. I also have a regulating inlet water valve with  float, should that be desired. It also has the plumbing to return the bypassed water to the tank.

If anyone would like to take a look at my site.

www.merrillfoxenterprises.com

my email from which I can forward images and prices is fox@merrillfoxenterprises.com

Out of repect to this site and its administrators,I will only mention prices on this above mentioned email.

I want to wish happy hollidays  to all.

Merrill

[shammy davis jnr]

what i do is take a weely bin with me provided they have an out side tap you fill this up before u start  and keep there hose running into it  should take a bit to exsaust the system prvided you get at least 15 ltrs per min

[mark.laycock1@ntlw]

hi any photos of this wheellie bin kit.

[mark bowditch]

HI MARK

Don’t get a float vale for domestic use as flow rate is to low   

Use ¾ hose to feed pressure washers

http://www.landypressurewashers.com/Accessories.htm
Hope this helps
Mark

[drivewasher]

HI Mark,
Just the same as mine almost, I have fitted a gauge tube up the side with a red float in it to see the level of water as lid is always closed. Lid is sealed down with small rachet strap and rubber gaskets so overflow fitted also acts as a breather. Also I have the bypass couples into tank attop also.

And can't belive it, as with myself, local council have copied my basic layout for collecting rubbish Dooh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pdl]

Nice picture of nicked wheely bin from Grenwich Council 

[drivewasher]

Nice picture of nicked wheely bin from Grenwich Council 

Doesn't mean it's nicked at all
We can buy wheelie bins from our council

[mark bowditch]

Hi Steve,
Nice one about council stealing your methods
Can't by pass pump as it's internal only.


Oh and PDL it's not nicked it was found abandoned and recycled, and Greenwich council encourage recycling.
Funnily enough I was the only one of a few people that had a 360 liter wheelie bin and the council recylce collection boys nicked mine.