bullstopshere

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A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« on: January 06, 2006, 07:21:42 pm »
I take no water with me,
I never run out,
It costs me nothing and I can clean faster
and more effectively than any one else !

jon adams

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2006, 07:33:10 pm »
GOD knows, i think!

Grafters Cleaning Services

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2006, 10:11:04 pm »
must be a road sweeper
only needs a broom
JAY "GRAFTERS"
From Southampton
www.high-shine.co.uk

gaza

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2006, 10:32:46 pm »
GRAFTERS:SORRY TO INFORM YOU BUT YOUR






 
                              WRONG

 EVERY ROAD  SWEEPER I SEE HAS A FINE JET SPRAY TO IT ;D

      GAZA
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

jouk45

Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2006, 02:18:45 pm »
waterless car valeting is getting bigger everyday all over the uk. Check it out on the internet. They are also getting into the window cleaning to. It wont be as fast as wfp but maybe the traditional window cleaners can have their revenge. they can offer the customer a one of clean and guarantee it for  1 year for a set price check this out as an  example  http://www.whateverworks.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=K1863   Not  A Riddle Or A New Invention ? but a real possibility

Chris Cottrell

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2006, 02:34:58 pm »
waterless car valeting is getting bigger everyday all over the uk. Check it out on the internet. They are also getting into the window cleaning to. It wont be as fast as wfp but maybe the traditional window cleaners can have their revenge. they can offer the customer a one of clean and guarantee it for  1 year for a set price check this out as an  example  http://www.whateverworks.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=K1863   Not  A Riddle Or A New Invention ? but a real possibility

So you still have to get to the window to apply the gel

Hmmmm

On a new fangled thing called a "LADDER" maybe

Hmmmm

Ben Walker

Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2006, 03:06:33 pm »
So you 'clean' the customers window once a year. How much will you charge and how much will you earn? If its catches on then its Mrs Mertons!!

neil100

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2006, 04:16:46 pm »
Its back to the future.

Nel.

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2006, 06:51:28 pm »
The answer is simple:

An RO System that hooks on to a standard mains hydrant. The huge flow from the hydrant produces 15 litres of 99.9% water in 1 minute which equates to around 1000 litres per hour depending on pressure and temperature.

I turn up with no water.
I pay for no water

I now have 10 litres more water in production than I need to use which means I can theoretically spray up to 15 litres a minute at the window. This means while your average wfp user is still washing his first window I am finishing rinsing the second.

The principla of WIndow cleaning is the same as pressure washing - The pressure (psi ) and the pressure of the brush in this case is what does the cleaning, The Flow (lpm) is what dictates the productivity.

MORE WATER = MORE MONEY

A simple solution to all this hanging around filling tanks up, di bottles, static systems and the laughable domestic units designed for a small supply of drinking water connected to plastic tanks and sold as cleaning systems.

SO its neither a riddle or new invention. As someone quite famous once said, " the answer is out there,you just need to ask the right question"

gaza

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2006, 07:08:54 pm »
I WILL HAVE HALF A PINT OF WHAT YOUR DRINKING BULL
HYDRANT ITS CALLED MAINS AND IT ILLEGAL TO TAP INTO THE MAINS WITHOUT A LICENCEE ANG ON WHY AM I WRITING THIS IN ANSWER TO A LOAD OF TWADDLE.

  GAZA
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2006, 08:53:20 pm »
Presumably you are already highly successful in this area for you to label it a load of twaddle.

Look into it further and you will find that some water companies have designated hydrants that they charge nothing for such as South West Water and others such as Anglian Water used to charge only a £1 per day for a licence but now dont even have an office to deal with it.  As long as you use the correct hydrant with a non return valve then its perfectly acceptable."Quote from Anglian Water"
I have teams that do this day in and day out and have never had a problem and regularly clean around
£800-1000 a day from 2 men. I have the accounts and the Aston to prove it.

Bullstopshere



Chris Cottrell

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2006, 09:21:30 pm »
wow an aston .... must be soooooooo succesful

I must remember to be impressed ::)

gaza

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2006, 09:32:43 pm »
OK WHAT RO PRODUCES 15LITRES OF PURE WATER IN 1 MINUTE,IVE ONLY GOT AN ELGA SYSTEM.

 GAZA
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

andrews

Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2006, 11:14:00 pm »
may sound great to the customers pay the w/c a tenner for him to clean it once a year instead of £120 so you would have to spend the rest of the day trying to get other customers for the next day that is unless you have 20000 already sorry dont dig that  ;D

poles apart

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2006, 07:45:49 am »
Bullstopshere

What system are you using and where did you get it?
Rod

Morph

Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2006, 10:53:47 am »
I had a Riley Elf once, so I may not be wasting time on here much longer :P ;D

poles apart

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2006, 10:55:34 am »
Showing your age PJ!

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2006, 03:46:53 pm »
wow an aston .... must be soooooooo succesful

I must remember to be impressed ::)

I'm not trying to impress anyone, just impress upon someone that thought my link was twaddle that my suggestion  clearly works.

I STARTED LIKE MOST WITH A BUCKET, A LADDER AND A BATTERED CAR. Perhaps in future I will hide my success in order not too offend the sensitive.

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2006, 03:59:00 pm »
OK WHAT RO PRODUCES 15LITRES OF PURE WATER IN 1 MINUTE,IVE ONLY GOT AN ELGA SYSTEM.

 GAZA

Gaza

It is possible to produce an infinite amount of water using RO. The only restrictions are on the size or number of membranes that are used and the volume of water that you can force through them. I use 6  times 4 by 40 inch membranes .
The pressure from a mains hydrant is probably only about 100psi but the flow rate through a 4 inch main is somewhere around 3 litres a second (180 litres a minute) so the potential is there. I use a two inch fill pipe with no in line pump,just rely on mains pressure that varies from site to site.

The advantages of this are that I am driving a relatively empty van around, none of the risks associated with tanks flying around and having to crash test etc. It also saves a lot of fuel. Driving around with a 1000 litres of water does nothing for fuel consumption and wear and tear of brakes and gearboxes, tyres etc.

The added advantage of having an unlimited water supply is as I said before the ability to wash and rinse faster.
I built the system myself after looking into the costs charged by many of the industries suppliers.

Regards

Bull

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2006, 04:01:50 pm »
Bullstopshere

What system are you using and where did you get it?
Rod

Self made and sourced. I am not in the business of selling but am happy to help anyone that wants to
improve .

poles apart

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2006, 04:35:08 pm »
I travel long distances with a full tank so the prospect of filling on site appeals to me. Are the hydrants plentiful and what is needed to tap into them. I've got an Ionics set up at the moment with two Champ 4000 RO's.What would I need to buy to fill on site?
Ta
Rod

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2006, 05:12:30 pm »
I travel long distances with a full tank so the prospect of filling on site appeals to me. Are the hydrants plentiful and what is needed to tap into them. I've got an Ionics set up at the moment with two Champ 4000 RO's.What would I need to buy to fill on site?
Ta
Rod

Hi Rod
Onceyou start looking for hydrants you will find them everywhere. Its fairly normal for them to be on the corners of buildings, quite often if you find one you will work out where the next one is. On secure sites they are commonplace unless you have customers who have sprinkler systems( look out for huge external water tank). I have a couple of sites where there are no hydrants but the guys drive down the road, switch on for 10-20 mins and then theres sufficient to do the building.

I am based near Milton keynes and at one time was driving to Bristol towing a 2000 litre bowser on a discovery. I had two of these and they were just destroyed in a short time.

I have said you can get water for nothing and it is possible but I would advise that you speak to the local water authority.
Usually one of there biggest concerns is that you will infect the water supply with some chemical or other so you need to use a hydrant with a non return valve. Again the water authority may recommend something.  I am not familiar with the ionics system
but would have thought that any membrane would be capable of operating under mains pressure.


poles apart

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2006, 05:27:09 pm »
Thanks for that. I'll ring Reuben tomorrow to see if my RO's will take mains pressure, if they don't I'll get back to you for your supplier.

cheers
Rod

Ian_Giles

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2006, 06:20:04 pm »
15 litres a minute is a tad excessive, hell, so is 5 litres a minute :o
I use up to 2.7l on occasions and I find it hard to work fast enough to keep up with that flowrate.
A very high flow rate may be ok on the huge, all glass type buildings you can see on some of the new industrial sites, and on those building with masses of glass and relatively easy access, not so hot for a standard semi with flower pots, steps, flower beds and so on to negociate.

Also thses hydrants are not on the corner of every house either.

On smallish jobs, you would lose time connecting up, easier to open the van door, grab hose, walk up drive and clean windows.
Average semi only takes 10 minutes anyway and you really can only work so fast.

But good for you Bull, you have made it work for you, very few people will earn the sort of money you do, they can aspire to it of course, but thats different.

For most of us its easier to carry the water we need around with us, and there is therefore no point having an R/O system that can produce up to 15l a minute.

I'm using no more than 250-300l a day at the moment, max.
When it gets to the point that I am using 400-500 litres a day I'll upgrade the R/O to a system that will deliver what I need.

I just don't have the kind of work that would justify the system you have detailed though Bull, don't think many on here would either.
And those 6 membranes are bloody expensive too!!
Just 1 is pretty pricey!


Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2006, 07:05:09 pm »
15 litres a minute is a tad excessive, hell, so is 5 litres a minute :o
I use up to 2.7l on occasions and I find it hard to work fast enough to keep up with that flowrate.
A very high flow rate may be ok on the huge, all glass type buildings you can see on some of the new industrial sites, and on those building with masses of glass and relatively easy access, not so hot for a standard semi with flower pots, steps, flower beds and so on to negociate.

Also thses hydrants are not on the corner of every house either.

On smallish jobs, you would lose time connecting up, easier to open the van door, grab hose, walk up drive and clean windows.
Average semi only takes 10 minutes anyway and you really can only work so fast.

But good for you Bull, you have made it work for you, very few people will earn the sort of money you do, they can aspire to it of course, but thats different.

For most of us its easier to carry the water we need around with us, and there is therefore no point having an R/O system that can produce up to 15l a minute.

I'm using no more than 250-300l a day at the moment, max.
When it gets to the point that I am using 400-500 litres a day I'll upgrade the R/O to a system that will deliver what I need.

I just don't have the kind of work that would justify the system you have detailed though Bull, don't think many on here would either.
And those 6 membranes are bloody expensive too!!
Just 1 is pretty pricey!


Ian

You are entirely right. This system is only practical on large buildings and where significant travel is necessary and would be pointless on domestics. I should have made it clearer.
Regards

Roy Harding

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2006, 07:18:53 pm »
My 4 x 40 R/o will produce 11.11ltrs a minute at 80psi.

So six times that would be 66.66ltrs a minute, Whoosh have some of that.

Roy

g_griffin

Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2006, 07:07:36 pm »
I also have an Aston  ;).

                  Gerry.

g_griffin

Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2006, 07:10:16 pm »
I mean Astra  :-[.

                Gerry.

poleman

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2006, 07:31:09 pm »
Mr Bull

I agree that you can fill up that fast as I have a static system that works on 17'000gdp or 1000 lts a hour a 40 mins, I have seen your system (or Similar) on ebay. I cant see window cleaners running around from stand pipe to stand pipe in the day and rushing off to clean windows that fast with that amount of water (flow rate on window), its down right dangers for the Industry.

Andy

matt

Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2006, 07:38:14 pm »


The advantages of this are that I am driving a relatively empty van around, none of the risks associated with tanks flying around and having to crash test etc. It also saves a lot of fuel. Driving around with a 1000 litres of water does nothing for fuel consumption and wear and tear of brakes and gearboxes, tyres etc.


I have the accounts and the Aston to prove it.


i bet wear and tear of brakes and gearboxes, tyres etc on a Aston van costs a fair bit  ;) ;) ;)

kaizen

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2006, 08:01:03 pm »
Did I say Aston ? I meant Austin..

kaizen

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2006, 08:07:32 pm »
Mr Bull

I agree that you can fill up that fast as I have a static system that works on 17'000gdp or 1000 lts a hour a 40 mins, I have seen your system (or Similar) on ebay. I cant see window cleaners running around from stand pipe to stand pipe in the day and rushing off to clean windows that fast with that amount of water (flow rate on window), its down right dangers for the Industry.

Andy

Andy

Theres no running involved. Just hook up on site, start work immediately and an hour later switch off and continue working with the 1000 you have left. We try and estimate the water requirement so that it travels back home empty so the only driving under load is done whilst moving around the site.

What is the difference between standing under a window for 1 minute rinsing with 3 litres a minute or 10 seconds with 18 lpm. Same amount of water just moving faster.
How dangerous is that ?

poleman

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2006, 08:32:09 pm »
Being a experience user a WFP (over 4 years) on many small and very large commercial sites only, most of the sites your WFP system would not work 1/ no out side taps and hose would be a tripe hazed running thought a building and would also take up to much time even if the site health and safety officer would permit this?
2/ throwing that amount of water would be a/ to much water in the area, WFP user have to be careful with a small amount of water in the winter, 5 times that would be a nightmare (ice) b/ the tripe hazed involved in moving a hose, your self and a high flow rate over a never easy commercial site conditions, would render your WFP useless in a site Risk Assessment           


Andy

matt

Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2006, 09:01:43 pm »
1/ no out side taps and hose would be a tripe hazed running thought a building

b/ the tripe hazed involved in moving a hose

Andy

You should also watch out for offal hazzards  ;D ;D ;) ::)

i couldnt resist it ;)

poleman

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2006, 09:12:48 pm »
Watch it you ;D

Peter Fogwill

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2006, 11:39:50 pm »

Quote

What is the difference between standing under a window for 1 minute rinsing with 3 litres a minute or 10 seconds with 18 lpm. Same amount of water just moving faster.
How dangerous is that ?

I preferred to stand under a window for 10 secs using around 1/6th of a Litre of water. This amount was plenty.

I recon it won't be too long before the government start taxing us for the amount of water we use as it is, never mind if we were all using 18LPM.  They are probably waiting on all the window cleaners changing over to wfp before they introduce yet another tax.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2006, 08:51:49 am »
Your missing the point - I'm not using any more water than anyone else per window- just cleaning more of them in the same time .

No wonder this industry moves so slowly - I remember the same attitude
12 years ago when OTT (Ionics) introduced the Tucker Pole.

It will never catch on will it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2006, 09:28:58 am »
I have an open mind Bull. Its been a very  interesting topic.
How many litres would you guesstimate you use to flush, lets say an average 1 pane window of 1 metre sq. ?

Hi jeff

I wouldnt like to guess for fear of being way out but I can only relate my experience and ask the following questions.

Does it take more paint to paint a wall with a bigger brush or the same amount of paint but just faster ?

I have many years experience in pressure washing , specifically UHP using pressures up to 40,000 psi and using pumps that will flow 200 lpm for washing such things as Runways. The principals of cleaning remain the same, its a balance between pressure for cleaning and flow for productivity.

The amount of water required to clean a window can be the same but if you deliver it faster then you stand in the same place for less time, therefore the amount of water "wasted" to drain would be relative. I used to use a 1000 a day for a week and now use 2500 a day for 2 days. 

Another huge advantage for me has been jobs that required 2-3 days work being 50 miles away. By now sending 4 staff they can achieve this in one day. The savings are significant.

I appreciate your comments and recognise that many of the guys on here have invested hard earned cash to buy what they have been told is the "best" system and that accepting that there may be something better is difficult. I have no product to sell and nothing to gain from explaining why it works but without any doubt if you put this system with the same operator against a standard system you would see an increase in productivity. When I started with this one I had jobs that were borderline profitable that subsequently became big earners.

This industry is notorious for attracting many many new people to it when they are looking for franchises and new ways of self employemnt. The result over the years has been that companies such as my own that I would describe as mid ranged find it harder to compete with the 1 and 2 man bands because of overheads, offices, sales force etc and that without looking for a faster method we will be left behind.

Regards

Bull
I

Peter Fogwill

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2006, 10:25:53 am »
No I don't think I am.  A window needs a certain amount of water to be cleaned.  Three or more times that amount of water would neither make the window cleaner, or allow it to be cleaned quicker.  If anything too much water would cause problems with lower windows.

Peter

Peter Fogwill

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2006, 10:42:50 am »
Quote


Does it take more paint to paint a wall with a bigger brush or the same amount of paint but just faster ?


I agree with the bigger brush being faster but I don't think it is relevant to the discussion unless you are using a bigger brush.


Peter

Jeff Brimble

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2006, 11:02:18 am »
Bull
I take on board the pressure v flow, having been a fireman and seeing how a large volume of water would move loose dirt very quickly.
Like you I too had to make my own system because nobody else was interested in helping me in 98. Living in a rural area with lots of loyal domestic customers I went the opposite way to you and went with a minimalist method to suit my round. You would probably explode in fits of laughter if I told you I clean glass only with 1/3rd to 1/2 litre per min and also carry minimum ammounts of water- 50 litres per day.Although have the capability to go to 4 litre per min( max pump size)
From your initial reply you use as much as you need but have the hydrant capability for 15 litre/min although you dont use it.
What size van tank do you generally use and what size/make brush.
I have to say the thought of "instant"water is interesting.
Surley the debate about one man bands v medium sized companies has always and will always be the same, its the technology and the ability to adapt to it that wins through. So you will forever have to keep one foot ahead of the competition. :)

Ian_Giles

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2006, 12:06:42 pm »
As most on here do mostly domestic houses they will never go for this type of system, the logistics of it all simply won't work.

But I understand the fear of the one man band coming along and, while not going out to undercut the opposition, putting in prices that are way to low.
Perhaps many of them get carried away by the fact that you can work so much faster than traditional window cleaners, and don't have a proper understanding of the fact that they have had to spend (even on a low priced system, DIY notwithstanding) over a grand on their WFP setup, and the fact that the running costs are far higher, the only bit you won't replace (if you're lucky ;)) is your holding tanks!

On the ordinary house windows using something like 5 litres per min is way over what is needed, as it is I only take about 20 secs or so (I think, I'll have to do a proper time & motion study) on a standard casement window.
The brush you use still has to scrub the glass & frame (if you do frames that is :-\), no matter how high the flowrate this has to occur.
Also, the higher the window, the longer this will take.
You still have to pull up and (if using a van mount) need to open up the van, drag hose to house and move from window to window.
All the bits in between the actual cleaning of the window has to be accounted for.

I do an office that now takes me under an hour and a half, it used to take anything from 3 to 5 hours.
The top floor is still hard work, its 30ft up and takes longer than the next one down, the ground floor takes less than 5 minutes, it is almost being cleaned at the same pace as you can walk around the building, and that is with a flowrate of between 2 and 2,5 litres per min.
I could have that flowrate at 5 litres per minute, but I wouldn't be cleaning the windows at twice the speed.

I do understand what Bull is saying about the link between pressure/flow/workrate, but there is probably an optimum, an ideal.
There will be a point where the flow of water being used, no matter how fast you are actually working is overkill, much of it being wasted.

Huge, plate glassed buildings are something that not many of us will work on, the criteria will be different on those.

On the point of pricing;
I have already found that I am, even though I'm trying not to, pricing differently now to how I would have done when working traditionally.

I picked up an all leaded account last week, 23 windows, 23 quid, first time clean took 30 mins, repeat cleans will be 15 to 20 minutes.

Good money perhaps, but I would have counted that up as at least 30 windows 2 years ago, maybe even 35 because every one is leaded, and some would be awkward to get at with ladders.
2 years ago I would have priced this house at £30 and taken at least an hour and a half for the first clean, down to an hour for repeat cleans.
At £23 per clean I'm still going to be earning more than double what I would have done had I been doing it trad.
And therin is the danger that Bull mentioned, the bigger the job, the bigger the drop in price, particularly for the one man outfit as against a company with several full time employees and a few vehicles and all the overheads that go with it.
Staying ahead and  remaining competitive is no easy task.

I'm digressing all over the place, I'm going back to finalising my accounts for the tax man :'(

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

John Conroy

Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2006, 12:10:55 pm »
Seems a good idea, looking at the bigger picture, yes you seem happy with what you are doing with your WFP system and its working for you, but cleaning windows with pure water is not about throwing a ton of water at it, it just throws up to many problems like vents, unsealed frames the list goes (many more mention on this topic) I do wise you all the luck in the world but its not one of the best invention us window cleaners have come across and I can safely say its not going to change the industry.     

bullstopshere

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2006, 01:47:45 pm »
Bull
I take on board the pressure v flow, having been a fireman and seeing how a large volume of water would move loose dirt very quickly.
Like you I too had to make my own system because nobody else was interested in helping me in 98. Living in a rural area with lots of loyal domestic customers I went the opposite way to you and went with a minimalist method to suit my round. You would probably explode in fits of laughter if I told you I clean glass only with 1/3rd to 1/2 litre per min and also carry minimum ammounts of water- 50 litres per day.Although have the capability to go to 4 litre per min( max pump size)
From your initial reply you use as much as you need but have the hydrant capability for 15 litre/min although you dont use it.
What size van tank do you generally use and what size/make brush.
I have to say the thought of "instant"water is interesting.
Surley the debate about one man bands v medium sized companies has always and will always be the same, its the technology and the ability to adapt to it that wins through. So you will forever have to keep one foot ahead of the competition. :)

Jeff
Thanks for your comments. At present the system is installed in a Renault Traffic LWB Hi Top with a 1000 litre holding tank. I use the Ionics carbon poles although the brushes are no match for the original tucker pole product.
I had a chat with some of our guys this morning and they felt if the water was available
then they could double normal speed but they attributed a share of that to the carbon poles particularly when doing 3 storey.

If I were in a rural area I would have no probs with just hooking upto a hydrant at the side of a quiet road and filling a couple of hundred litres in minutes.

Anyway if theres a water shortage I'll be asking you how you do it, and if as someone else suggested they start taxing water I'll leave the country.

Jeff Brimble

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2006, 01:57:10 pm »
Didnt know  hydrants had meters  :)  so you should be OK other wise I'll get me coat.
In the last cold spell the hydrant water must have been slightly warmer, did the freezing weather hold you up ?

poleman

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2006, 09:45:46 pm »
bullstopshere, hows it going with your WFP systems, see on your profile that you was on cleanitup today (August 05, 2006, 09:39:20 PM) reason why I ask is that we are fill up from standpipes (Hydrant) but with a De min system which really is not cost affective :-\

Andy   

Jeff Brimble

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2006, 09:11:38 pm »
Just brought this one back as Bull  may not have seen it and Steven wants a contact as well.

freshwater

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2006, 08:28:15 pm »
bull,

I though hooking up to hydrants was illegal for private individuals.

steve@freshwatersystems.co.uk

Johnboyfree

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Re: A Riddle Or A New Invention ?
« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2006, 08:46:18 pm »
bull,

I though hooking up to hydrants was illegal for private individuals.

steve@freshwatersystems.co.uk
Hi,you apply to the water authority you are taking the water from and they will give you a standpipe with a built in meter,my area it is about £150 for 6 months and the first 50,000 ltrs are free,after this its 93pence per 1,000 ltrs.hope this helps