vix

office contract
« on: June 08, 2007, 07:42:54 pm »
hi i was wondering if anybody can help, im currently going to go self employed soon doing cleaning currently doing it now for 3yrs,(domestic) i also clean and office twice a wk  how can i organise a contract as i could undercut my bosses as they only pay me £6.00 p/h they make £59 profitevery wk, now i have spoken to the bosses as they are all for it as i have been doing this office for over 2yrs now, the company im with have on a couple occassions called me and said there no work have the day of but i find out the other girls are in customers are not happy and said if i leave  so will they..also im having to go out on my own as they sacked the girl i was with but not going to replace her do you reckon i should just get up & go,as for cleaning products they are trying to really cut back to 1 bottle of everything per wk, its a joke thanks for reading

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Re: office contract
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2007, 09:12:56 pm »
I stated my business in pretty much the same way, my advise to you is as follows.

check your contract of employment for clauses preventing you from working for their clients, (there are plenty of ways round that one so don`t worry to much)

get your potential client to check their contract with your current employers.

hand in your notice to your current boss,

get your new client to end their agreement with them a couple of weeks after you have left using the reason that the cleaning has gone down hill since you left.

get your self some insurance, register your self as self employed, buy some equipment and of you go....... ;D ;D

absolutecleaning

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Re: office contract
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2007, 07:34:32 am »
Very nice

You are exactly the sort of staff I do not want to employ

You may well find that the clauses in your contract are not that easy to get round if your current employer can be bothered to pursue it.

I hope you do well and when you get round to employing staff that they are as good to you as you are to the people who have taken you on and paid holiday, sickness etc...

 >:(

(And you you wonder why there are so many posts on this forum with people worrying about employing other people to work for them)

Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2007, 11:04:39 am »
I agree with absolute cleaning.

If you want to go self employed then do it properly instead of being underhanded, if you are as good a cleaner as you say then you should have no problem finding jobs.  Have you thought about the other side of things, the paperwork, admin etc.

You may not have signed a contract but as you have been employed for a number of years you may find that you will still be under contract in the eyes of the law and part of that contract will be that as an employee you are not allowed to do anything that may damage your employer financially and by taking a customer you will be doing this.  You are effectively biting the hand that feeds you.

Your employers are mad not to have contracts in place with the clients so yes they can just leave but if they do that to this company what's stopping them from doing that to you.

The reason people get away with this behaviour is that companies often find it to long and expensive to follow a claim through.  However court claims can now be done on line for as little as £30 and they are very straight forward.  If I was your employer I would definately take you court for loss of earnings.

Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2007, 10:06:48 am »
hi i was wondering if anybody can help, im currently going to go self employed soon doing cleaning currently doing it now for 3yrs,(domestic) i also clean and office twice a wk  how can i organise a contract as i can really undercut my bosses as they only pay me £6.00 p/h they make £59 profitevery wk, now i have spoken to the bosses as they are all for it as i have been doing this office for over 2yrs now, the company im with have on a couple occassions called me and said there no work have the day of but i find out the other girls r in customers are not happy and said if i leave  so will they..also im having to go out on my own as they sacked the girl i was with but not going to replace her do u reckon i should just get up n go, cleaning products they r trying to really cut back to 1 bottle of everything per wk, its a joke thanks for reading

 :o

u cud try 2 lern betta gramma nd punk-chew-ashun - it mite help u get a contr@ct.

J. Deans

Re: office contract
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2007, 12:44:31 pm »
True about the grammar!

But I think you are all being a bit harsh.
Consider the facts:

Vix works for a low wage.
Her company cannot even be bothered to compose a written contract of employment.
She is expected to carry out work that normally 2 people would do.
"One bottle of everything per week!" Come on!

But most importantly, the client is happy with Vix, but are unhappy with the company he works for.

I say, all is fair in business. If Vix goes ahead without any contractual problems, I say good luck to her. In fact I would advise Vix not to under-cut the (previous) employer by too much - if at all! You are in demand, use that to your advantage.

As for this being the dread of employers (staff taking over contracts) It usually only happens (there are exceptions of course) when those staff are underpaid and unhappy, for whatever reason, with their employer.

Go for it Vix - and good luck.
But don't write your own letters of introduction, method statements etc.
Let someone else do that for you...

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Re: office contract
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2007, 04:01:30 pm »
If I had such a bad relationship with any of my clients that I had to worry about my staff (who are all exceptionally good cleaners) being able to take one of my contracts of me I would not bother running my business any more.........

everyone I speak to who has lost a contract blames the cleaner when in actual fact it is rarely the cleaners fault.

If companies trained and supported their staff properly then the cleaning industry would not be such a mess with such a bad reputation.

I have taken on many a contract with supposedly useless staff TUPE over to me, only to find that with a bit of training and support they turn out to be good cleaners,
yet it was them that the previous company blamed for losing the contract!!!!!!!!!!

spending 2 hrs with someone on their first day on the job is not training, yet that is what most cleaners get.........and I bet plenty of you on here have done it, show them around, give them the key, see you in a week............... :o


J. Deans

Re: office contract
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2007, 01:21:14 pm »
Well said!

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Re: office contract
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2007, 03:08:51 pm »
thankyou ;D

Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2007, 05:24:26 pm »
No not everyone blames the cleaners!  There are alot of reasons why a site may be lost one of them is money!  When a cleaner undercuts the company they work for to get a job it is unacceptable.

You are correct with the TUPE and management and I have found that people will either shape up or ship out when a good management team goes in, however there are always the exception to the rule and until you have been there you will never understand.  Many years ago I gave, who I considered a good friend, a job so she could help ends meet.  I trained her in H&S, COSHH etc etc and made sure she was aware of the standards expected had the training to carry it out and the support, she took all of this and started her own business taking the client with her.

I still train all of my staff and give them good support, but it will never surprise me again as to the levels people will stoop too.

I am not saying Vix or any of you had not been treated badly but I have my opinions and they are very strong.

I don't think i have a bad relationship with any of my clients, infact i haven't lost one single contract for over four years, however I thought I had a good relationship with the client mentioned above and look what happened, when I asked them about it - yes you can guess it came down to money!

So maybe I'm being harsh but morals of an alley cat come to mind!

Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2007, 10:56:14 pm »
You obvoisly do not feel the same, but if any of my staff wanted to start up on their own then I would be more than happy to help them even if it meant giving them a contract or two to get them going, especially if it was a friend.

your going on like there is a shortage of customers, I like to see everyone doing well and will do anything I can to help anyone who requires it. there is more than enough work out there for everyone.

As for being undercut, I actually write in all my quotes that we do not aim to be the cheapest so my customers def know there is cheaper out there but they choose my company because they feel the price is worth it, why would they then accept a cheaper quote from someone else?

If you are providing an excellent service of which you say you are then your company will be a success no matter how many competitors are working in your area.




Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2007, 10:36:36 am »
Ahhh - that's really nice - let's hope all of your staff don't want to do it, you'd have no contracts left if you are giving them away!  Personally I have worked very hard to gain each and every one of my contracts and no way would I just give away 13K plus per annum worth of work (income from average sized, main sorts of contract).  Maybe your contracts are only a couple of hundred of per year so you can afford to give them away, either way, I'm glad you can afford to be nice.

Personally I am a b**ch especially when it comes to business, that's how I make money, run a highly succesful business and enjoy every minute of it.  (Please note that doesn't mean i don't care about my staff or clients I'm just not in the habit in giving away what I've worked hard for).

Like I've said before each to his own and obviously you are a nice, considerate, generous kind of guy and - I'm not!  ;D

Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2007, 02:39:07 pm »
I just like to see people do well and I have alot of respect for any one with ambition,  I have a rule of only starting 2 new contracts each month to allow for our full attention whilst we get each new contract up to our standards, this means future clients have to wait or go else where, which they sometimes do but it doesn`t matter cos there is such an abundance of work.


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Re: office contract
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2007, 05:08:20 pm »
 Vix

I'm curious to how you know your bosses make 59 pounds profit each week who told you this ?. Was it the client? if so how does the client know what your employers liabilities/costs are.

If you are so keen to be self employed go out and find your own work don't poach. I bet at your interview you didn't say six pounds an hour is not acceptable.

What you have done is seen an opportunity to the detriment of your employer. Instead of informing your employer that the client is unhappy with the overall service, you thought i take advantage of this situation.

I actually think that what your doing is low and makes you a parasite.

Like Fox if you tried to do this to me i'd take you through the legal process  fast as possible. 


newbroom

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Re: office contract
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2007, 09:33:14 pm »
 I sincerely hope that when you have your new contracts and take on staff that your staff do the same to you then you will know just how underhand you are.

People like you deserve to fail and i hope you do.

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Re: office contract
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2007, 10:03:13 pm »
In your original post you stated that all was not well with the office cleaning, yet in your response to my first post you state

"i have spoken to customers pre-warning them and they have all said let me know as we will come with you"

Which leads me to believe that you are approaching all your employers clients that you are aware of to start your own business. You have come on this site bleating about how unfair your lot is, reading between the lines you are without scruples

I don't think you would recognise morals if it came up a took a bite of your backside.

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Re: office contract
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2007, 02:49:08 pm »
Interesting thread, on one hand we have those who believe that Vix has been poorly treated, the other, people who believe she has brought this all on herself!

Lets start at the beginning, Vix, has never been given a contract of employment, by either of her companies, this is not only morally wrong, but also illegal, it is the law that each employee is issued such a contract within 13 weeks of starting their employment, it is considered best practice to issue the contract of employment after the employee has accepted your written offer of employment.

Regarding Vix poaching clients, be they domestic or commercial, this again is morally wrong, but not illegal, unless specifically, forbidden in your contract of employment, which, remember she has not been issued with.

Now, of course there are two sides to every story, but we only have Vix's side of things, so lets just take her at her word, both her present and previous employer seems to have treated her very poorly, but from their side of things, could it not be, just poor management? Both companies, could have held the opinion, that Vix, needed little if any supervision, because she is a crackerjack cleaner, who gets on well with the clients, and does the job right! If this is indeed the case, then, more fool them, for not realising that ALL STAFF require encouragement and rewarding, perhaps in Vix's case promotion and better wages along with more responsibility, if the companies concerned have failed to recognise talent and hard work then tough, the industry can do without them.

Others have mentioned the importance of doing things the right way, this I wholeheartedly agree with, just because you are self employed, does not mean you should be exempt from H & S legislation or indeed any other regualations, so get this sorted, yes its going to cost money, but failing to do this, puts you in exactly the same league as your previous employers, so if you go ahead with out this, you really wouldnt be any better than them.

In response to newbrooms post, you got very defensive over how you have come to know the exact amount billed by your present employer to one of his clients, the sum of £59:00 was mentioned, you seem to believe that this is all profit and way too much considering that you do all the work!

Well once you become self employed, you will of course realise, that the £59:00 has to cover insurance/admin/training/tax/VAT/chemicals/equipment/consumables etc, etc, of course, it maybe that your present employer doesnt pay any of this, and indeed the entire amount is all profit, but it is only a matter of time before he gets caught out.

I can only guess that you have come by this figure after talking to your present employers client, this in my opinion, should set alarm bells ringing, after all if your client discusses such matters with a companies cleaners it does point to a less than professional attitude in that persons dealings, as has been pointed out by others, it also means that the same thing could happen to you somewhere down the line.

Cleaning, is a business worth billions of pounds per year, it should be treated as such by those engaged in serving clients, and indeed by the clients themselves, long gone are cash in hand and little old ladies pushing a vacuum around, however most clients and indeed most involved in serving those clients needs do not have a clue how to actually clean a building correctly, you only have to look at the number of posts on here crying out for help when things have gone wrong.

My final piece of advice would be to visit the following people or organisations before you start trading:

Bank
Accountant
Tech College
Business Link
Chamber Of Commerce
Health & Safety Office
Tax Office
VAT Office
Commercial Solicitor

All the above will keep you on the right track, and help ensure that you dont become just like your present employers, they will also increase your chances of actually making a living from this industry, after all, no one in any other industry would give you a job without any knowledge of that particular industry, cleaning is no different, it is, after all, a business.

Regards,

Rob
A world of difference....

newbroom

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Re: office contract
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2007, 06:30:33 pm »
I don't see why Vix should get the benefit of the doubt.If we accept that there are issues with the service levels at the office she cleans are we then expected to be believe that the exact same conditions apply at all the other clients she has approached.The balance of probabilities suggest not.

I don't believe for one instance that during her three years of employment she never had a interview or wages weren't discussed

I don't understand how in her post she makes the following staements

"i can really undercut my bosses as they only pay me £6.00 p/h"

and later this

"all im on daytime is minium wage"

Either she is paid minimum wage topped up by an allowance e.g. attendance or performance related or she paid using a new flexible minimum wage that the government has yet to put on the statute books.

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Re: office contract
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2007, 10:24:20 am »
Nothing you are saying new brooms is either constructive or interesting to read, you`re just picking holes £6 ph is virtually min wage,

I took 2 contracts of my old boss because he tried to give me a scoda felicia as a company car, he did not listen when I told him his customers were not happy and a whole host of other reasons but mostly cos I was not going to turn down the chance to immediately double my income and I was not going to drive a scoda.

I don`t see what the difference is between taking a contract of my old boss and taking a contract from any one else, am I supposed to feel guilty whenever I win a new contract because it means some poor sole has lost out.

I have worked in the cleaning industry for over 13 yrs from cleaner to area manager and the scenario vix explains is extremely common so in the balance of probabilities (as you put it) it is more likely that a cleaner will suffer from bad employment conditions than good.

Most of the cleaning industry is made up of part-time, unqualified (usually of anything!) people who have the attitude of "it`s only cleaning, how hard can it be". Even most of the area supervisor and managers jobs are dished out as part time jobs.
All just so that their employers have not got so much paper work to do and national insurance contributions to pay for their staff and you call us parasites when you probably only employ part time staff yourself for the exact same reason.

Some of my cleaners are earning £9 per hour, they are all employed full time, they are all constantly undergoing training paid for by me, If I changed to part time cleaners I would prob be about £1000 month better off, If I payed them all min wage i`d be save another £2k, I could put them in cheap polo shirts instead of the smart uniforms they have now and save some more and I could knock the training on the head and have a holiday with the money instead..........

But I don`t because I`m not a parasite,

I have never lost a contract but if I did it would be my fault no matter how I lost it. If one of my staff took a contract from me it would be my fault for not having a good enough relationship with both my customer and my staff member, as I said before I would not hold back any one who works for me, if they have put in the hard work for me then why should I.


 


   

Robert Parry

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Re: office contract
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2007, 11:28:02 am »
Now, now gleam, dont be so hard on the poor old Skoda, a VW without the kudos!

Apart from that, someone who finally gets it!!!

Regards,

Rob

PS.

Have you made your decision yet Vix?
A world of difference....

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Re: office contract
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2007, 10:11:52 pm »
One day training your staff,,,,,,,,,,, ??? ??? ???

  would that be a whole day ??? ??? ??? ???

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Re: office contract
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2007, 12:24:42 pm »
sorry dg, what my boss meant was that you start of doing something as a favor for your client and then if you stop doing it they moan like it was part of the original job

I spend in total at least 100 hrs training each staff member, but then they are full time employees, I have a very strict method of working and expect everybody to work using the same system and therefore I keep on at them until they do.

newbroom

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Re: office contract
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2007, 03:33:15 pm »
Gleam in response to your postit matters not that you don't like the contents of my posts i have opinions and will express them. The reason you empathise with Vix is because as you stated you started your business in the same manner behind your employers back and all because you never got the company car you wanted ah diddums.

Secondly you make alot of sweeping statements about training and how cleaners are treated by their employers provide evidence so to put it mildy shut up or put up.

I did not call you a parasite that comment was reserved for Vix what i would suggest is you are naive, to suggest you  would give contracts to any of your cleaners if they were starting up. You also make far too many assumptions about how others run their business especially regarding training.You even have the following statement on your website

"Gleam Services conception was not for greed or power, but to be responsible for revolutionising a much failing industry."

I would suggest your knowledge is not extensive enough to make such a grand statement.

Perhaps you and Vix could go into business together call yourselves Watch your back cleaners ltd.

I'm done with this subject because unlike yourself and Vix i look at myself in the mirror and know i not done the dirty on someone.

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Re: office contract
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2007, 03:44:32 pm »
I find interviewing people in their own home helps sometimes to give you a pretty good idea of what they are like in respect to what they consider to be clean.

I`ve come to realize that most cleaners that are not very good, are so because they just do not see the dirt, not because they are lazy or deliberately miss things.

This is why I say such along time is needed for training to get them noticing the dirt
I train them to work in the same routine for every job which basically consists of them doing everything working in circles doing one job at a time ie, the bins, dusting, polishing, borrowed lights, kitchen, toilets, vacuuming, mopping.

I still spend alot of time cleaning myself cos I can`t let go, especially to my first two contracts after all I wouldn`t have a business if it wasn`t for them giving me a chance, but it`s coming up 4 years soon so i`m gonna have to soon.............

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Re: office contract
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2007, 03:59:58 pm »
if you seriously believe that the cleaning industry is not a failing industry then you are infact the naive one.

When I say failing I don`t mean  in the prosperous sense, quite the opposite the industry is booming but where it is failing is in its reputation of quality of service delivered.

If you speak to pretty much any one who uses contract cleaners they will tell you that they have changed cleaners so many times that now they have settled with what they got all be it not the service they would like, why do you think so many now just go for the cheapest, because they believe they are all gonna be cr@p no matter what.
either that or they take to employing their own cleaners, after all they may aswell cos 9 times out of 10 they end up managing the cleaner anyway........

If the industry is not failing then why has the government just started a massive drive offering free level2 city and guilds training, I`ll tell you why because the cleaning industry is one of, if not the most under qualified industries in this country.

J. Deans

Re: office contract
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2007, 09:03:20 pm »
This topic has certainly stirred some passions.
I see two distinct for and against opinions and a few posts that just want to offer advice.
Look at your own posts and decide which category you fall into.

Those posts that are dead against Vix taking over her employers contract seem to be defensive and aggressive, to the point of being rude to other peoples' opinions.

Those that are all for it and wishing her luck seem to be very nice, helpfull people, to the point of being (quote) "naive" (end quote)

Then there are those that simply offer advice about the cleaning business in general.

I think I may fall into the 2nd category - naive!
And if you look at my previous posts in this forum, I like to think I am also in the third category too.
And I am certainly not naive! - just glad I am not in the first category!

Why do I say that?
The obvious reason is that I have not had an employee 'nick' one of my contracts. This seems to make otherwise sensible people - very bitter.
I would not be happy if it happened (touch wood) but I hope I wouldn't resort to venting my spleen on a forum and generally parading around in my bosses uniform trying to humble people that do the actual cleaning for a pretty poor living! (and that are simply wanting to better themselves - we all started somewhere)

Mention has been made of cleaners lacking qualifications. I, for one, am a qualified electrician. But now I co-run a cleaning business and work on building sites for more money than the electricians I see every day! I am also a trained ex-Health & Safety Representitive for MFI UK. I have numerous other qualifications and training, but the point I want to make is this: At the end of the day, no matter how many qualifications you make a cleaner study and train for - they are still just cleaners. Now, that's not to put cleaners or the cleaning trade down in any way, but to go the opposite way - trying to make it something it is not - is worse in my opinion.

I am all for 'necessary' training. I am all for the new H&S legislation that makes the workplace, a safer place, for all of us, but the cleaning industry will always be considered to be at the bottom of the heap. You can't demand respect so get over it.

Incidentally, the lowest wage I pay any of our cleaners is £7.30 p/h (part-time or otherwise) I also do the Christmas meal and bonus thing. I even say "thank you" every now and then. Oh! and I also try to help out individual cleaners and cleaning businesses wherever I can - even on forums. Apparently, that all makes me naive!

Going by the continuing silence of Vix, (grammar aside) I can only assume that she wishes she had not posted this topic. That's unfortunate, and frankly shameful for this forum...

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Re: office contract
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2007, 12:54:30 am »
Firstly I think their should be a prize for creating a thread with the longest replies in it, I think we must all have blisters.

there has been alot of sense spoken (typed) and my lagging faith in this forum has been restored.

I`m off to find some army wives to work for me, they sound like a dream come true
i`ve never heard anything about this marching out stuff but I assume it involves the houses getting inspected when they move out.

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Re: office contract
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2007, 05:29:17 am »
Anyone noticed that VIX is noticeably absent in her replies!

I for one believe that if someone is looking to go on their own, then that's fine, however if they try and take any of my business with them then that is a different matter and I would fight it all the way.

If people are leaving to set up their own business and taking some of your business with them, then you should be asking the questions as to why.  I'm sure that ultimately it will boil down to your poor management of both them and the contract, and price.

Generally a business will not cancel a contract if they are receiving a constantly good level of service at a reasonable price, and an employee will not leave if they are receiving an adequate level of support, respect and salary. 

Always start by looking internally for failures before blaming someone else.

Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2007, 12:30:14 pm »
Yes this thread certainly has stirred some people up and I was going to leave the subject as some of the posts were getting a bit ott, however after reading some of yesterdays posts I feel I should reply.

Many people join the cleaning industry as they percieve it an 'easy' business, after all anyone can clean (can't they??).  I can give you many reasons as to why it is certainly not 'easy' however we are talking about employees taking work from employers to start up not the pros and cons of running a cleaning Company.  The employed cleaners see one side of the business, the daily cleaning, they do not necessarily see 'behind the scenes' and the many tasks it takes to run a business and this sometimes drives them to think they can do a 'better' job than their employer.  I would implore anybody starting thier own business to think about it as a whole.

I have found some peoples comments rather interesting, I can certainly understand the attitude that if you as an employer look after your staff and clients then they are not going to go elsewhere or 'steal' contracts.  To a certain extent that is true and I have been in business long enough to know what it's like to have a cleaner do the 'dirty' and a client to go with them, to have clients come to me saying the cleaner has approached them and also the cleaner to come to me saying the client has approached them.  I have infact faced almost every situation of back stabbing and bi**hing there is in business.  However to say that I fall into a catagory of 'denfesive and aggresive' is outrageous if not hilarious! 

No matter what industry you are in or what type of relationship you think you may have, people are fickle and if you think that your relationships hold them loyal to you in business then I'm afraid yes you are slightly naive in terms of the psychology of human beings and business practices.

You will find that Vix hasn't replyed as it looks like she has left the forum, who can blame her with all the controversy this thread has attracted.

Fox


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Re: office contract
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2007, 12:35:04 pm »
Are we all friends again now? ;D

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Re: office contract
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2007, 02:28:37 pm »
 :P :P :P :P :P :P ;D

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Re: office contract
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2007, 02:39:31 pm »
tongues all the way.......... :P

 

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Re: office contract
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2007, 03:38:55 pm »
will that mean i will have to wine n dine you Gleam if its tongues

newbroom

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Re: office contract
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2007, 08:43:11 pm »
pmsl

J. Deans

Re: office contract
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2007, 11:24:49 pm »
Look at your own posts and decide which category you fall into.

However to say that I fall into a catagory of 'denfesive and aggresive' is outrageous if not hilarious! 


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dg-cleaning

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Re: office contract
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2007, 09:11:41 am »
Just when u thought it was safe to go in to the water!

Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2007, 10:23:55 am »
Quote
Those posts that are dead against Vix taking over her employers contract seem to be defensive and aggressive, to the point of being rude to other peoples' opinions.

It is very obvious that my posts are 'dead against', so I read your post to mean that as I am 'dead against' I must fall into that category.

I didn't take offense I just wanted to show that generalisation about people who post on this forum is not always correct, in my opinion it would have been better to add the word 'some'.

Fox

Marigold

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Re: office contract
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2007, 10:40:25 am »
Vix
If you want to start up by yourself fine, but don't bite the hand that's currently feeding you.  If the client has a problem then you owe it to your employer (however bad he or she may be) to tell them that the client isn't happy.  If one of my cleaners tried that with me I'd be furious and I agree that business is often not pretty, but we don't have to buy into the dog eat dog culture.  What goes around comes around and lets face it we're all in this business for the same reason: to earn a living.  Treat people the way you want to be treated, find your own clients and show your previous employer how it should be done.  You'll feel a lot happier with yourself.  If you were confident you were doing the right thing, you wouldn't have asked the question.

dg-cleaning

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Re: office contract
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2007, 10:56:22 am »
ding ding round two

Cleaning Resource

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Re: office contract
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2007, 12:32:02 pm »
and in the red corner we have marigold and fox,

in the blue corner we have an apparently shy vix,

Cleaning Resource

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Re: office contract
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2007, 12:52:49 pm »
Probably right, your as bad as me, do you never go to work?

Prestige1

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Re: office contract
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2007, 01:29:49 pm »
No vix works for me and I have sacked her!!
Who Dares Wins

Cleaning Resource

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Re: office contract
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2007, 01:33:47 pm »
lol ;D

Marigold

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Re: office contract
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2007, 03:01:14 pm »
That's so mean

J. Deans

Re: office contract
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2007, 03:26:14 pm »
Fox.

I stand (sit) here suitably chastised.
I agree, 'some' would have been a better choice of word.

In my defence, Your Honour, there was a lot of 'iffy grama' going around, confusing my literacy brain cell.
I promise to pay attention and do better next time.

(Blimey, she must be hard to live with - even my missus doesn't pick apart my point of view to that extent!)

PS:
I don't think Vix stayed on the forum long enough to read (let alone understand) the posts that were 'dead against' her.
mmmm..... going by the apparent passion this topic has stirred, my suspicious mind thinks that perhaps another member logged on under another username to post a  topic about something they may be considering themselves, to see what happens. Then made a quick gettaway!

I mean, surely nobody that writes that badly, could seriously consider starting up a business?

Cleaning Resource

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Re: office contract
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2007, 03:38:18 pm »
Funny enough I was having the same thought..........

J. Deans

Re: office contract
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2007, 03:42:08 pm »
Sorry, I did a bit off editing and added a bit more to my last post.

I'm sure you meant the bit about the secret member though lol!

Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2007, 03:52:10 pm »
J.Deans

Your reply has me laughing and belive me that doesn't happen often (what do you mean you know?!  ;D)  As for being hard to live with, as long as he does as he's told he'll be alright!  ;D  ;) lol

I agree about the grammar in Vixs' post, I thought it was maybe someone foreign.

I must say this topic has been the most entertaining and interesting for a long time.

Fox

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Re: office contract
« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2007, 04:13:16 pm »
This forum should be charging people for typing lessons, My typing has been getting well fast since I been chatting on here, I think I might go and get a job as a secretary  :o

J. Deans

Re: office contract
« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2007, 04:14:44 pm »
 ;D Lol! Even foreigners tend to learn some grammar at school! :-X

If I can make someone laugh - it makes my day!

Cleaning Resource

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Re: office contract
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2007, 01:00:49 pm »
I have been hectic for the last 18months for once everthing is staffed no ones on holiday and no ones of sick so i`m making the most of it cos I know it won`t last long ::)