Polish on Altro

« **on:** October 12, 2006, 09:06:53 am »

Morning all
I have just started a contract where all the altro antislip flooring in the canteen, shower rooms & toilets has been sealed using high traffic polish. Is it me or is this the most craziest thing you have ever heard! Admittdley they have employed direct so they are not very up on correct cleaning methods (ie using the same mop in the loos as the canteen - YUK!)
I could be wrong and this is a good way to keep altro looking clean but I thought it deafeats the object of the floor being antislip? Has anyone seen this done before?
Regards
Tim

« **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2006, 09:20:27 am »

Timmy
I vaguely remember reading this before.I think You lose 10-15% of your non slip properties when the polish has been applied, check out the altro site.
What methods would you use to maintain Altro?

« **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2006, 09:28:10 am »

Client could be in trouble if anyone slips on this floor, putting a polish on this type of floor does indeed reduce it's anti-slip properties.

I would also point this out to your client asap, if you have just taken over the contract it is conceivable, that if something were to happen, you could be held responsible for improper maintenance!

Whoever made the decision to put polish on this floor has also shot any guarantee that may be outstanding on the floor, never let anyone tell you that anti-slip properties are unimportant on floors.

Regards,

Rob

« **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2006, 10:25:49 am »

Of course anti slip is important and putting polish on altro does reduce the anti slip properties - I think it is by about 30% but personally I have no problem polishing an altro floor if a risk assessment has first been carried out and the client is in agreement after being made fully aware of the cons.

I hate altro flooring and think that in the right circumstances the polish helps to maintain it. On the sites that are not suitable for polish a once a fortnight rotary scrub is a must.

So in my opinion - no it's not the craziest thing I have ever heard!

Fox

« **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2006, 01:02:49 pm »

Fox,

After putting polish on an altro floor, if there was a slip or trip at some later date, which insurance company would be liable? Your's or the client's?

Only asked to do this once myself, a few years ago now, but refused because of the increased slip hazard, this was also in a shower room, where I believe, the slip hazard to be a very real possibility.

I can see that putting polish on the floor to seal it will impact on maintence, but dont you think the Health & Safety concerns outweigh this?

It seems that this is another case of the client not understanding the full impact of their decisions, and not being given the correct advice by their own contractor, although in this case the cleaning was carried out in-house, whoever was in charge obviously has limited experience within the field of cleaning.

Regards,

Rob

« **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2006, 01:42:13 pm »

i agree with fox there are certain areas that you can put a coat of emulsion polish on the flooring yes you do lose some of its slip resistants so i wouldn't recommend it for showers! follow tims advice and check out there website they actually recommend it in certain areas

« **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2006, 04:30:34 pm »

We have been asked in the past to seal Altro but have always declined.

a) whats the point of sealing Altro? - (to avoid time and effort of maintaining it correctly)

b) if altro is sealed why have it in the first place? all that happens then is that the slip resistance is greatly reduced especially in showers

I would get your client to agree to have the seal removed asap. The implications of a claim could be significant as can the possibility of a prosecution

« **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2006, 05:57:46 pm »

one of our clients has altro floor and the men using it wear big black boots we ended up scrubbing floor weekly due to scuff marks from boots which couldnt be removed any other way . we tried one room with a single coat of emulsion floor polish the scuff marks still appeared but can be removed with a mop we now only scrub the floor and reseal every 3 months .
i think a lot of companys are badly advised into laying altro flooring as it is a pig to maintain .

« **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2006, 10:25:49 pm »

hi there.
you should never seal altro, it is a water absorbent flooring,

regards

martin

« **Reply #9 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:58:12 am »

I always tell companies to try to choose a different type of anti slip flooring than altro as I find it a nightmare to clean.

Gerrystyles -

Quote

whats the point of sealing Altro? - (to avoid time and effort of maintaining it correctly)

Do you actually do commercial cleaning?

I am lucky to have one of my clients who has an altro floor that is not suitable for sealing pay extra to have the cleaners use a rotary machine and wet vac to keep it clean, but most clients (well aware of the risks) in a warehouse office environment would opt for sealing of the floor rather than up their cleaning budget for the extra cleaning and yes you can refuse, but the next contractor won't and I for one would not lose a job through refusal to seal an altro floor when the anti slip is not essential. (This is putting it ott but nevertheless).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with sealing an altro floor with emulsion polish in certain areas where a risk assessment has been carried out and agreement from the client knowing all the risks has been sought.

Fox

« **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2006, 10:59:22 am »

Having already been involved in a slip claim where someone broke their arm on wet carpets in the middle of a demo by a national carpet machine manufacturer (not Prochem), I am now almost paranoid on the subject as you would imagine.

However there seems to be two sides to this issue. Of course you shouldn’t bring about an increased possibility of hazard, that’s common sense if that’s what your action would cause? The only way to know is to carry out a risk assessment as Fox mentioned, that’s what they are for. If on the other hand we didn’t bring about any risk at all, we could never clean i.e. wet a carpet, mop a floor, trail a hoover cable etc etc.

Therefore some risks are acceptable because it may be the only practical or economical way to achieve or maintain something. In the case of flooring the HSE are well aware of the problems when floors aren’t maintained at all, and if the reason was because of high cost (as in manufacturers service costs), then they would have expected them to have found another way, albeit not to the point where a slip would be imminent, but that’s not what we are talking about here are we.

Building usage, types of foot traffic etc etc change all the time and its very difficult to debate this as a general issue without reference to any one particular instance. Either way an Altro floor even with polish will maintain significantly more grip then many other surfaces you can find often in the same building.

If you want the work then a risk assessment is the only way which should include asking questions, personally viewing the type of foot traffic, assessing slip issues like water food or grease etc etc and finally reviewing the manufacturers specs.

If in doubt... Test It

« **Reply #11 on:** October 13, 2006, 12:00:35 pm »

Hi

Altro shouldn't be sealed or polished. The reason it gets sealed or polished is usually becuase it's not being cleaned properly and a shiny dirty floor is often more acceptable to the client than a dull dirty floor.

Using a rotary or steam cleaner is the best way - mopping (because it's rarely done properly) justs leaves a film of dirty water on the surface that creates a build-up of dirt over time.

Get a demo of something like a Multiwash http://www.express-cleaning-supplies.co.uk/oos/scrubberdryers/557601.html or an Osprey Steam Cleaner http://www.express-cleaning-supplies.co.uk/oos/drysteamcleaners/536118.html to see how good they can look.

Regards

Mike

« **Reply #12 on:** October 13, 2006, 12:27:09 pm »

There we go, £1,500.00 plus vat
Problem solved!

Unless of course you dont have £1,500.00 to spend then I guess its back to the mops for you

and of course this topic

« **Reply #13 on:** October 13, 2006, 03:00:16 pm »

Mike,

Your quite right rotary or steam is the best way but not every contract will pay for the time or cost involved! But i've owned a couple of multiwash's and there ok for floors with light use but anything with heavy traffic they just can't cope!! Give me a Karcher BR400 anytime! Now thats the machine to own and its cheaper!!!

« **Reply #14 on:** October 13, 2006, 05:02:47 pm »

I find it interesting, and a little worrying, that no one has actually expressed an opinion on who the liability would rest with ie. the contractor or the client if there was an incident concerning a polished altro floor.

Each post has raised important issues, but not THE most important, yes Risk Assessments are required, by law, but it seems to me that by putting polish on an altro floor, that has been specified in order to minimize the slip hazard in a particular area you risk rendering that Risk Assessment null and void. In fact I think that you risk being accused of ignoring completely the risk assessment.

Under H & S legislation, we have a duty, a legal duty, to minimise the risk, by putting polish on altro flooring, we would be increasing the risk, not minimising it. A defence of the client wants it to look cleaner, is in my opinion, no defence at all.

Again, it comes down to education, we are supposed to be the experts here, very rarely does the client have any more than cursory knowledge of cleaning, if I was the client, and an accident did occur, the first words out of my own mouth would be"We employ contractors who are experts in this field to do our cleaning, they have supplied us with the relevant Risk Assessments/Method Statements etc, surely it is they who should have pointed this risk out to us, as this is supposedly their area of expertise"

Again, the defence of we could'nt afford it, or if I didnt comply with the client's request, someone else would have, is not really a valid defence, it would be useful to find out the insurance companies point of view on this.

Regards,

Rob

« **Reply #15 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:11:50 pm »

Altro floor

To seal or not to seal - ASK THE MANUFACTURER - THEN ANY PROBLEMS AFTERWARDS IS DOWN TO THEM- if they say you can seal, but get it in writing

« **Reply #16 on:** October 13, 2006, 08:09:12 pm »

Quote from: Will on October 13, 2006, 03:00:16 pm

Mike,

Your quite right rotary or steam is the best way but not every contract will pay for the time or cost involved! But i've owned a couple of multiwash's and there ok for floors with light use but anything with heavy traffic they just can't cope!! Give me a Karcher BR400 anytime! Now thats the machine to own and its cheaper!!!

Hi Will,

A truvox multi wash (240) is £650- £700, the br400 is £1200- £1300, it is a good/better machine but not cheaper, unless you know something I dont

if so please give me the number.

The above are ok, but the main downfall is the cord, a battery powered machine is far better.

regards

BSF

PS: Just so I can put in my 2 pennys worth, any safety flooring is called this for a reason, if it is cleaned correctly/regularly their wont be a problem.

« **Reply #17 on:** October 13, 2006, 08:13:49 pm »

hi there

who's responsible?? for a n accident

dont seal it in the firstplace and any cleaner who did seal it or polish it, ahouldnt be in the business.

and any floor that is already sealed, needs to be tripped, scrubbd and neutralised immediately.

regards

martin

« **Reply #18 on:** October 14, 2006, 12:09:05 am »

I know this is off topic, but BSF's reccomendation about battery powered machinery interests me, recently looked at this option for a daytime cleaning operation, but after a demo from my local supplier decided not to go ahead due to the poor battery life, the machinery also did not appear to do a very good job compared to standard machinery, just wondering if you know something that I dont, you can e-mail privately if you want.

Regards,

Rob

« **Reply #19 on:** October 14, 2006, 02:06:31 am »

Ok we can address liability, that’s easy. The first line of liability will always fall to the client ie the party responsible for the building. Only then will their insurers decide if there is a viable counter claim against the contractors and in the event that it was proven negligent or wilful may it then progress to personal liability.

Buildings are maintained on cost and will always determine varying levels of safety for its occupants, that’s why we have legislation to maintain a minimum level which is why we still have accidents, what else did you think it was “bad luck”?

There simply is no argument where a safety surface has been laid for a specific reason such as a factory, workshop or area of high risk. However not all safety floors are required especially in many public areas hallways offices, receptions etc. Many buildings have change of use where safety floors are simply left because its more economical to do so and there is virtually zero legislation on it as well. That’s why we still see stone, plastic, wood, vinyl and an array of floor tiles being installed into new buildings and high traffic areas.

How many floors have you laid polish on that were actually designed for liquid emulsion polish? You wont need two hands to count. So are we saying that all those thousands of litre's of polish being sold every year are only being applied to specifically manufactured and approved surfaces for the use of polish.....don’t be daft. Unless your drinking the stuff, we have all been compromising floor surfaces on a daily basis for years haven’t we?

Yes it maybe that “if we clean it properly we shouldn’t need to use polish” and if you can get somebody to pay for it then that’s great. So lets all throw away those nasty things called mops and spend thousands of pounds on machines instead, Mike expect the flood of orders. I think I need 15 to start that should save me a bit in polish!

Isn’t ideology great...... Martin I see that bubble hasn’t burst yet then

Robert, the risk assesment would be for the polish, you cant ignore it.... it is it. If the floor is a high risk area, you dont do it thats the point! I dont know about the expert thing, I would love to sell myself that way, but couldnt afford the additional public liabilty and proffesionl indemnity insurance, Im happy just being a contractor and not a target.

« **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2006, 08:46:40 am »

Sorry - still dont agree with any of you 'dont seal' diehards. As for liability surely this would be judged upon the circumstances for the slip like all cases - was a bucket of water left puddled on the floor? Were no wet floor signs left out? Were cables left trailing?

But hey what do I know - I shouldn't be in the business according to mr know it all martin19842!

Fox

« **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2006, 07:43:25 pm »

hi there

ideology, -- no its a great thing

we are presently on two jobs putting right what previouse contractors have completed incorrectly, OK its not cleaning, but the principle is the same. do the job correclty

i dont mind at all we are earning a very nice amount out of this type of work, so let them carry on, its great for us.

have a great weeknd everybody.

regards

martin

« **Reply #22 on:** October 15, 2006, 12:45:03 am »

Thought this might help

http://www.hse-databases.co.uk/pubns/web/slips02.pdf

Regards,

Rob

« **Reply #23 on:** October 15, 2006, 10:51:13 am »

Quote from: Fox on October 13, 2006, 07:58:12 am

I always tell companies to try to choose a different type of anti slip flooring than altro as I find it a nightmare to clean.

Gerrystyles -
Quote
whats the point of sealing Altro? - (to avoid time and effort of maintaining it correctly)

Do you actually do commercial cleaning?

I am lucky to have one of my clients who has an altro floor that is not suitable for sealing pay extra to have the cleaners use a rotary machine and wet vac to keep it clean, but most clients (well aware of the risks) in a warehouse office environment would opt for sealing of the floor rather than up their cleaning budget for the extra cleaning and yes you can refuse, but the next contractor won't and I for one would not lose a job through refusal to seal an altro floor when the anti slip is not essential. (This is putting it ott but nevertheless).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with sealing an altro floor with emulsion polish in certain areas where a risk assessment has been carried out and agreement from the client knowing all the risks has been sought.

Fox

Yes we do commercial cleaning. We clean a site with 60m2 of Altro which is machine scrubbed every day. There is no point in sealing safety flooring in order to make the cleaners life easier or to cut costs. If a cleaning company cannot get out there and do a proper and safe job then they should not bother. It is companies like them that are keeping the reputation of the industry and the pay of cleaners at the bottom of the scale. We should all be out there promoting safe and effective cleaning an raising the profile of the industry. After all we work for our benefit.

Modifying the risk assessment and getting agreement from the client would not be a defence in law should someone get injured as a result of your actions.

« **Reply #24 on:** October 15, 2006, 01:32:10 pm »

Quote from: Robert Parry on October 14, 2006, 12:09:05 am

I know this is off topic, but BSF's reccomendation about battery powered machinery interests me, recently looked at this option for a daytime cleaning operation, but after a demo from my local supplier decided not to go ahead due to the poor battery life, the machinery also did not appear to do a very good job compared to standard machinery, just wondering if you know something that I dont, you can e-mail privately if you want.

Regards,

Rob

The smaller cabled machines are fine for small areas, but the larger much heavier battery powered machines come into their own on larger floor areas, no trailing cable, larger tank capacity etc etc, 2-3 hrs running time... is ample

regards

BSF

« **Reply #25 on:** October 15, 2006, 05:51:18 pm »

Hi, Altro flooring. To seal or not to seal, that is the question?
To put it bluntly. It's an impervious floor, whatever you put on it, will just lay happily onto top, not adhering, not doing anything other than, stop the floor from doing what was intended. It's a none slip floor!

So they next question. Do we polish AMTICO floors? Answers in less than three words and before school breaks up for half term.

Seriously. Millions of pounds have been and are spent on deveolping flooring that is supposed to prevent accidents. Then we as an industery come along an undermone all that good work. And we considere ourselves as professionals.

Here's a good idea. Talk to the Manufactuers, because if you don't and you do something to their product that they do not recoomend, you could possibly, ever slightly, be in contravention of HEALTH & SAFETY and worst still your insurance company may be a little upset if there was a claim against them as a result of an accident.

As the Beatle once said. HELP!

« **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2006, 06:39:14 pm »

Lol The level of hypocrisy and ignorance on here cracks me up.

Ok How many of you have ONLY ever applied polish to floors that were designed for polish? Anyone!

How many of you understand that even if there was a manufacturers agreement, you would still be held responsible for the application?

Here's an even easier one. How many of you even know which floors were ever designed for liquid emulsion polish?

Lastly and think really hard about this one.
How many floors have you applied polish to in the last 12 months?

Oh dear! Pot and kettle spring to mind.
Have you ever applied polish to an Altro floor, no neither have I, but I have stood on one in a toilet which was wet from sinks and it had almost zero grip loss if any at all.

In area's of low risk it would qualify way above comparable and acceptable floor surfaces being polished by you really naughty people every day, especially in the wet. tut tut!

But lets forget about that so we can all be experts on what’s right and wrong with Altro and pretend that its others that are responsible for our high insurance.

Martin:
I’m curious why you need to work outside your field, does that mean you are only a "sometimes cleaner" or can you not find enough work within it? You might be surprised to know that many people are doing well on here, they just don’t need to talk about it, because that usually means the complete opposite. Don’t worry about the ideology, it goes away with experience.

Robert Parry
Thanks for the link. Not quite sure how it helped, I couldn’t find anything about polish on Altro, maybe I missed it.

« **Reply #27 on:** October 15, 2006, 07:04:35 pm »

Try the bit where it explains about improper maintenance DP,

Regards,

Rob

« **Reply #28 on:** October 15, 2006, 07:25:19 pm »

Hi, It's me again.

Rob, (Parry) very confusing with all you Rob's.

I have actually, much to the shock of those that attend for work, polished a flloor this year. Well to tell the truth I applied an emulsion solution, spread it about a bit and then down the Parsimonious Perwinkle for a pint whilst it dried.

It is fact that we, as an Industry pop along to the local, Cleaning Supplies Company, purchase soemthing that we are told will fit the bill and hey ho, down it goes. A word springs to mind.. elusive, important I know it is, it will come.

Tell you what I have done more times this year than putting down polish and that is, tking the damn stuff off.

No names, no pat drill but a BIG retailer with a penchant for nice, pseud woooden floors has no idea what should be put on them. His contractors likewise have no idea. So when the floors start to peel because Emulsion Polish has been liberally applied, gues which mug or mugs have to go in an rectify the problem. Well let's not be so boing as to answer the question.

Ah, your know that word I could not remember earlier. The brain cell has kicked in. It's TRAINING.

Dosvedanya

« **Reply #29 on:** October 15, 2006, 09:25:23 pm »

hi there,

dp, don't be curious!!

I enjoy a great position, by running a property services company, and therefore I will choose what work we will undertake.

we seem to specialise in what other companies don't want; high level, overnight working, flood response, and refurbishment.

i've been in cleaning for over 8 years, and will continue, for some more, and will continue to learn as I go on.

regards

martin

« **Reply #30 on:** October 15, 2006, 09:41:18 pm »

Robert
You cant say things like "~~improper maintenance~~ " on here. With this new found selective wisdom of health and safety from our panel of "experts" and the revelation of a floor cleaning machine from Mike....polish sales could plummet or even stop altogether then where would we be.

Sorry Robert still cant see anything that says Altro. It seems to refer to all surfaces... worrying isn’t it!

Martin
Of course, I guess it just takes a while.

« **Reply #31 on:** October 15, 2006, 10:03:08 pm »

Quote from: DP on October 15, 2006, 09:41:18 pm

Robert
You cant say things like "~~improper maintenance~~ " on here. With this new found selective wisdom of health and safety from our panel of "experts" and the revelation of a floor cleaning machine from Mike....polish sales could plummet or even stop altogether then where would we be.

Sorry Robert still cant see anything that says Altro. It seems to refer to all surfaces... worrying isn’t it!

Martin
Of course, I guess it just takes a while.

If floor polish was used properly then sales would plummet...

For those still confused - don't polish altro floors!!

Regards

Mike

« **Reply #32 on:** October 16, 2006, 12:10:36 am »

For those who are REALLY confused DONT POLISH ANY FLOORS... EVER

Aren’t double standards interesting, there is no debate in this topic without them.

« **Reply #33 on:** October 16, 2006, 10:50:43 am »

You can lead a horse to water.........................

Training, now there's a thought!

Regards,

Rob

« **Reply #34 on:** October 16, 2006, 12:08:00 pm »

I agree with most that altro floor should not be polished/sealed and i`ve had many an agument about it untill i read the maintenance instructions of a freshly laid altro floor and it actually stated (to my disbelief) that the floor should be sealed using a suitable sealer....

having spoken to the fitter he made the remark that there is a big difference between floor sealent and floor polish and suggested using sealent b made by evans....

however i completely ignored him and still refuse to polish/seal whatever you want to call it, an altro floor.

« **Reply #35 on:** October 17, 2006, 12:53:32 am »

What a surprise! lol

Someone I spoke to at the beginning of this thread and who posted on here knew about this from the start.

It seems things aren’t quite so clear after all. So why are the manufacturers of Altro what must be (according to some statements on here) issuing really bad advice about their own product?

What I cant understand is.. aren’t ALL floors, safety floors? Isn’t it odd that we become incredibly righteous over something labelled a safety floor even in low risk areas, yet we are quite happy to go out every day and slap thousands of litres of goop over every other type of floor (representing the highest type of slip accident and injury surfaces by far)... quite happily! How come our moral standing seems to fall so far short?

After all we are not in it for the money are we, and our liability doesn’t change, so why do we do it, perhaps its just because people ask us to then!

« **Reply #36 on:** October 17, 2006, 02:03:45 pm »

Had a situation yesterday with Altro safety flooring behind a the bar in the Parsimonious Periwinkle. So being sober this morning I decided to access the web site for the manufacturers, just to see if I had been correct in I disagreeertions over the weekend.

http://www.altro.co.uk/cms_content_altro/attachments/en-GB/Safety%20flooring%20cleaning%20card.pdf

It's a pdf file, so can be download, and printed or printed directly off screen. Nowhere does it advocate putting
another surface (polish -seal etc;) on.

« **Reply #37 on:** October 17, 2006, 02:54:03 pm »

Hey?

I'm confused - did you not read the same bit as me?

Where Altro safety flooring is not required to provide
maximum slip resistance, the flooring may be
maintained in a manner similar to smooth vinyl flooring,
by applying a metallised emulsion polish. However, this
will reduce slip resistance in the areas concerned and
it is the responsibility of the building owner to assess the
appropriate level of slip resistance in all cases.

« **Reply #38 on:** October 18, 2006, 02:12:44 pm »

hello Rob ( Parry )

Your right training is a good thought! i grew up in the cleaning industry and everything i knew i taught myself and it wasn't until a few years ago when business started to grow and grow and i started to get a very good name in my area for all my floor and carpet work and thought yes training is a good idea so i bought my new prochem machine and enroled on the carpet cleaning course! in my opinion a very good course! so then i thought right now for the hard flooring course! and it was on that course that i was told that you could put emulsion polish on an altro flooring where max slip resistence is not required! I've also been told this by a good friend who used to be a the sales manager for premiere products and also the technical manager for british nova plus altro mention it themselfs! so what i'm trying to say is if these reconised training schools and the manufacturer are telling you to do this and this is supposed to be completly wrong! then who do you believe? my own personel belief is that as long as the apprpriote risk assesments are done and that the client knows all of the risks attached to it which rob i agree with you that is are job as experts to clue the client up! then i can't see the problem!

« **Reply #39 on:** October 18, 2006, 11:37:25 pm »

That's pretty conclusive then - the Altro website does indeed state that emulsion polish can be used on its flooring but they do accept that it affects the slip resistance (which sort of defeats the object really!)

Regards

Mike

« **Reply #40 on:** October 19, 2006, 12:40:46 am »

All I can say is this was hell of a slippery subject to get onto!

From here on in it's good old vinyl flooring that I recommend for kitchens, and hazardouse areas. I don't think so!

May as well rip up the covering behind the bar of the Parsimonious Periwinkle and go back to good old fashion floor boards. At least it will start to smell like a pub, again.

« **Reply #41 on:** October 19, 2006, 11:44:08 am »

Two things chaps,

Original post stated that polish was put on altro flooring in shower/toilet areas, I still maintain that this is incorrect. I certainly would refuse to do this in the future and would reccomend to the client, that the polish is removed from these high risk area's.

Whilst a seal or indeed polish can be put on altro, after the client has carried out a risk assessment etc, I would still be concerned who would carry the liability if a slip occured in non-critical area's, as it were, I have a sneaky feeling that it would be the contractor, I may be wrong of course.

Good thread, lots of differing opinions, but in my opinion if altro has been specified, it is there for a reason, and I would not put polish on it just so the client can save on the maintenance costs of the flooring.

It is down to the client and the cleaning contractor to sit down together and work out a cost effective maintenance programme that keeps the flooring as clean as the budget will allow, whilst maintaining the anti-slip properties of the flooring.

Regards,

Rob

PS

Regardless of the maufacturer stating that you can put polish on their flooring, if an accident did occur, it wont be their insurance company paying out on any claim, thats for sure!

« **Reply #42 on:** October 20, 2006, 12:36:59 am »

Quote

Regardless of the manufacturer stating that you can put polish on their flooring, if an accident did occur, it wont be their insurance company paying out on any claim, thats for sure!

There is a hundred parameters to a claim any of which will effect who pays out if at all. This "make it up and proclaim it as fact" stuff, is simply nonsense, as with some of the previous comments on here by people who thought they knew.

"Training" good idea, but for who! At least newcomers accept they need to learn, its all the apparent experts that worry me, especially when their arrogant about their own ignorance, that’s frightening!

Opinions great, but "facts" shouldn’t there be at least some shred of accuracy.

« **Reply #43 on:** October 20, 2006, 04:17:34 pm »

so this whole strand is just a waste of space really cos it was all said in the first few entries.

you can do it, but it reduces slip resistance and its pointless cos you can`t buff it to a shine so dont do it unless the custy insists and pays you lots of money

so thats the end of that. (had to have the last word)

« **Reply #44 on:** October 20, 2006, 10:56:29 pm »

Brilliant, who needs to know any more!

My Gran (gaud bless her sole) said bleach and a bit of carbolic soap works much better on floors anyhow and she really knew her stuff. Dont need safety floors, just get them to wear propa shoes she rekons.

« **Reply #45 on:** October 21, 2006, 10:07:30 pm »

do you mind

i`ve already had the last word on this subject