[chris scott]

Don't take it to heart ....I don't think you are crap. Some of you posts are really informative . Just this one is crap.....and the one about my numatic vac capacity  not being big enough for cleaning gutters and the one that you prefer to use a  "Klindex Rocky and fit it with Soft to Med Brush and aqua mix heavy duty tile and grout" to clean block paving driveways ....but thats  personal preference.

[Kev Martin]

[quote author=chris scott link=topic=177288.msg1501022#msg1501022 date=1382091experience?Don't take it to heart ....I don't think you are crap. Some of you posts are really informative . Just this one is crap.....and the one about my numatic vac capacity  not being big enough for cleaning gutters and the one that you prefer to use a  "Klindex Rocky and fit it with Soft to Med Brush and aqua mix heavy duty tile and grout" to clean block paving driveways ....but thats  personal preference.
[/quote]

Chris
Actually it's not personal preference in my case all posts are facts based on experience of trying it all against each different method.  Have you ever used a Klindex Rocky?  Is your pressure washer 300 bar with 90c and a 30"FSC with Vacuum take off?  Because these are the two methods I tried against each other!  As for the Numatic I have tried yours have you tried mine? All my posts are based on experience in real life not hearsay or what I think.

Kevin Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

So as I am new to the game ...I phone you up and explain I wish to start a driveway cleaning business. You explain to me that independent tests undertaken by yourself indicate that the Klindex Rocky is the tool for the job.  Is that what you would sell me?
I also struggle to understand why I need such a large (storage) capacity machine for gutter cleaning.... How many gutters or driveways have you actually cleaned with the methods or equipment you advocate?

[Kev Martin]

So as I am new to the game ...I phone you up and explain I wish to start a driveway cleaning business. You explain to me that independent tests undertaken by yourself indicate that the Klindex Rocky is the tool for the job.  Is that what you would sell me?
I also struggle to understand why I need such a large (storage) capacity machine for gutter cleaning.... How many gutters or driveways have you actually cleaned with the methods or equipment you advocate?

Chris

Don't take it to heart but don't knock something either until you have tried it!  I have no idea about you or your business or how long you have been doing it!  All I am saying is everyone finds a niche market and having tried every different sort of cleaning of any hard floors we find the most versatile machine is a Mono Rotary machine (Albeit it does not have to be a Klindex Rocky).  Naturally we sell Klindex equipment as does Amir Patwa in London and there are lots of people on this Forum have bought from him as well.  But none of this is the point!  I get CC's ringing me every week saying if I come on one of your Hard Floor Courses what equipment will I need and my answer is always the same.  A Slow Speed Mono Rotary and a Wet Vac (No names mentioned I never say a Rocky and one of my Wet Vacs)  This means that a CC for example is then set up with the exception of a few small bits and pieces for very little money to start cleaning Hard Floors (Albeit Mainly Inside but including Patios and Drives if Necessary!  If I said you have to buy a pressure washer and an FSC sure they could clean a patio or a drive but look at the mess it makes without Vacuum take off! Then they would still need a Rotary and a Wet Vac for inside!   Even you have to agree with this!  Now to the 50% of CC's who tell me they could use their HFW and or an SX12 or similar with either their portable or TM  this is all well and good but carpets don't produce Slurry or Bits of grit and stone do they so IMHO eventually this type of cleaning could potentially wreck a decent portable or TM.

Now to our experience,  I have lost count of how many drives we have cleaned but we no longer do them because we found they are not financially viable unless you get 2 or 3 in one street.  As for gutters about 10 before we decided it was also not worth it FOR US.  We specialised about 5 years ago in Petrol Station Forecourts which we did do with Falch Pressure washers T3 & T2 fitted with Mosmatic 21" and 30" Scaters (FSC).  But my experience is not the point you need to think about my posts and read them twice I didn't say there was anything wrong with your Vac in either size or capacity what I said was it was not as big and powerful as the ones we use thats all.  Personally I don't care what anyone else uses but the point I was trying to make is when you have a standard pressure washer with a normal FSC it will not get the drive as clean as a Mono Rotary with the correct brush fitted to it because they are two different types of cleaning Pressure V Mechanical.  Having decided this I then decided to compare a good powerful Rotary (That was a Wirbel at the time) against the best I had at the time and the Mono Rotary did a better job!  You also have to admit there are very few people on here with a few exceptions who even have 300 Bar + and Heat.  The Mono Rotary is Slower but better,  less clean up and on block drives it only pulls out about 10% of what a pressure washer does.  So you save on resanding and also don't need 1000's of litres of water with you with a rotary!

Finally I have sold all my Falchs now that was 2 x T3's and a T2 but there are times I miss them because when on the seldom occasions we are quiet I have missed a couple of potential large jobs because my Honda is not big enough.  But I am seriously considering buying a Falch T5 that I have been offered.  I just have to think if I can justify £16K because I also want a Klindex 1000 Expander.

P.S.  I have never cleaned a carpet in my life so all references to CC's are hearsay from guys I have had on courses!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob_Mac]

Kevin

I don't know why you bother!

Rob

[G O Cleaning]

Kevin,
You had a similar post some time back ( 6 mths ?) in ref to cleaning block paving, several of us questioned the logic of using a rotary on block paving instead of pressure washing.
 I must say we have been cleaning drives for over 10 years I have never heard of anyone else cleaning a block paved drive using your method.
I can see your logic for 'paved' patios to a certain degreee but not for block paving. I did find it amusing on the other post - ' Brick cleaning'  the op would need to apply akaline + honing powder and still after that expense / x time they may have revert to         .... hypo 

That said still interested in your vac as a spare, have you got any decent pics showing how you protect sub pump ? if its used as a gutter vac has it got a debris basket ? or just a mesh  thks

[Kev Martin]

Kevin,
You had a similar post some time back ( 6 mths ?) in ref to cleaning block paving, several of us questioned the logic of using a rotary on block paving instead of pressure washing.
 I must say we have been cleaning drives for over 10 years I have never heard of anyone else cleaning a block paved drive using your method.
I can see your logic for 'paved' patios to a certain degreee but not for block paving. I did find it amusing on the other post - ' Brick cleaning'  the op would need to apply akaline + honing powder and still after that expense / x time they may have revert to         .... hypo 

That said still interested in your vac as a spare, have you got any decent pics showing how you protect sub pump ? if its used as a gutter vac has it got a debris basket ? or just a mesh  thks

I totally agree with you and the reply to the post.  I am not saying for one minute that you, Lee, Rob or Carl should all get rid of your pressure washers and use my method!  All I am saying is it works and even to the extent that we tried it on a Garage Forecourt and it was better but ultimately that is not what the garage forecourts wanted they just want them clean and free of fuel spillages, done as quickly as possible and for the best price. 

The OP on the brick cleaning actually said he had tried pressure washing on a previous job and WANTED a different method so I gave him one!  He probably didn't use an FSC either hence the mess but all I did was gave him an alternative that we know works.

Regarding the Wet Vacs, primarily they are all the same but with variations.

1.  Normal Triple Motor Vac 3300watts Link below price same but includes free delivery and has blue flat top now
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130517917245&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
2.  Same vac but used for Gutter Cleaning so this one has a 50mm inlet quite a few on the CIU have bought them so I hope they will give you some feedback(Good or Bad) around £40 more than the above and still only comes with the 38mm Tools
3.  Same as 1 above but with a pump out.  The pump is stainless steel with auto pump out that can be switched to manual. Link below ignore price it is £524 + VAT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140538780973&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

Carl BDCS has just asked me to get a price on a Pump out with a 50mm inlet which I am sorting and should have by Monday but guessing it will be around £569 + VAT.

All these vacs are made in China but CE Marked and assembled in Germany!  1000's of the pump outs have been sold to the German Fire Service

Any other Q's give me a call on Monday in the office on 0121 773 2450 or e mail me on tilinglogistics@hotmail.com

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[G O Cleaning]

Kevin,
You had a similar post some time back ( 6 mths ?) in ref to cleaning block paving, several of us questioned the logic of using a rotary on block paving instead of pressure washing.
 I must say we have been cleaning drives for over 10 years I have never heard of anyone else cleaning a block paved drive using your method.
I can see your logic for 'paved' patios to a certain degreee but not for block paving. I did find it amusing on the other post - ' Brick cleaning'  the op would need to apply akaline + honing powder and still after that expense / x time they may have revert to         .... hypo 

That said still interested in your vac as a spare, have you got any decent pics showing how you protect sub pump ? if its used as a gutter vac has it got a debris basket ? or just a mesh  thks

I totally agree with you and the reply to the post.  I am not saying for one minute that you, Lee, Rob or Carl should all get rid of your pressure washers and use my method!  All I am saying is it works and even to the extent that we tried it on a Garage Forecourt and it was better but ultimately that is not what the garage forecourts wanted they just want them clean and free of fuel spillages, done as quickly as possible and for the best price. 

The OP on the brick cleaning actually said he had tried pressure washing on a previous job and WANTED a different method so I gave him one!  He probably didn't use an FSC either hence the mess but all I did was gave him an alternative that we know works.

Regarding the Wet Vacs, primarily they are all the same but with variations.

1.  Normal Triple Motor Vac 3300watts Link below price same but includes free delivery and has blue flat top now
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130517917245&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
2.  Same vac but used for Gutter Cleaning so this one has a 50mm inlet quite a few on the CIU have bought them so I hope they will give you some feedback(Good or Bad) around £40 more than the above and still only comes with the 38mm Tools
3.  Same as 1 above but with a pump out.  The pump is stainless steel with auto pump out that can be switched to manual. Link below ignore price it is £524 + VAT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140538780973&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

Carl BDCS has just asked me to get a price on a Pump out with a 50mm inlet which I am sorting and should have by Monday but guessing it will be around £569 + VAT.

All these vacs are made in China but CE Marked and assembled in Germany!  1000's of the pump outs have been sold to the German Fire Service

Any other Q's give me a call on Monday in the office on 0121 773 2450 or e mail me on tilinglogistics@hotmail.com

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Fair play 

Had a quick look at ebay listings already, think its best to have a chat as still not sure how they collect debris after something similar to existing vac, which has a debris basket
to protect pump thks Mike

[Roland S]

Kevin Do those vac's have an IP rating? What do they weigh?

[chris scott]

Kevin Thanks for taking the time to answer . My business is just one man in an old transit van ,who was trained at Smartseal ....i have a lot to learn!

At the risk of being pedantic.... the OP asked   quote "is there a chemical that will kill the moss between the bricks and get the bricks looking good again without using a pressure washer. " I took it he was looking for a chemical solution...not mechanical. I thought the safest approach would be to direct him to the DIY market. Save damage to himself or substrate. Hence Algon.

I must of misinterpreted your reply to the Numatic vac ....to quote you  " They are only 2400watt arn't they? The other problem is the capacity is pathetic on them as well ".
I still don't know why i need a large capacity vac for gutter cleaning?

[Kev Martin]

Kevin Do those vac's have an IP rating? What do they weigh?

The vac weighs 25 KG with the triple motor head, the hose, two wands and wet pick up tool.  They are IP rated I believe I can check that for you tomorrow and let you know.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Kev Martin]

Kevin Thanks for taking the time to answer . My business is just one man in an old transit van ,who was trained at Smartseal ....i have a lot to learn!

At the risk of being pedantic.... the OP asked   quote "is there a chemical that will kill the moss between the bricks and get the bricks looking good again without using a pressure washer. " I took it he was looking for a chemical solution...not mechanical. I thought the safest approach would be to direct him to the DIY market. Save damage to himself or substrate. Hence Algon.

I must of misinterpreted your reply to the Numatic vac ....to quote you  " They are only 2400watt arn't they? The other problem is the capacity is pathetic on them as well ".
I still don't know why i need a large capacity vac for gutter cleaning?

Chris

Alright I have said a 1000 times it is whatever works for you but it's not the capacity so much as the pure  vacuum (Sucking) power that's important?  But heyho Chris if you are happy then fine!  I try to make my posts informative!  I don't care who reads them, who takes notice of them or who uses the advice.  Just rest assured we only post about stuff we have experienced and what works for us.   I am not tryiing to force any one particular method,  make, model or product down anyone's throat I only post what we use and what works for us because whatever, Marblelife Ltd uses in restoration they need a continous supply so naturally it makes sense for Tiling Logistics Ltd to stock it.  That's the reason why Tiling Logistics stocks everything for floor and wall restoration from a £2 applicator pad up to a £45K grinding machine.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Marblelife Ltd

[Rob_Mac]

I appreciate your posts kevin.

They are slanted to specific products - which is fine! but they do give a great deal of very useful information to the forum and although I wouldn't use anything other than a pressure washer to clean a floor, on two occasions this year, to date and several previously I could have done with an alternative method, where overspray was a major issue and I needed a more encapsulating method.

One on a live hospital entrance & the second one on internal block paving @ a Sainsbury's

It has certainly given me food for thought and I appreciate the alternative view

I have had my eye on one of the auto dump-out vacuums for some time, now we are coming to the end of our year and because I have bought two large, specific pre filters from Dave Washbrook I can see an imminent purchase to complete a recycling set up.

Many thanks

Rob

[Kev Martin]

Rob

You are welcome anytime!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Marblelife Ltd

[BDCS]

Kevin, the issue here is you need to ignor the clocks when you know they are talking bullocks

[Rob_Mac]

 

[david washbrook]

Rob I have a 15" numatic rotary with drive board and a stiff nylon scrubbing brush head for sale if your interested! glad the filters suit your needs

[BDCS]

I recently had to remove some stid steer tyre marks from a retail park - I used my rotary but I never had any AM products or honing powder so on the same principle as advice offered here I used janitol rapide and kiln dried sand with a black pad (if I can call it that unless it upsets the fair trade supporters). 

[chris scott]

Kevin, the issue here is you need to ignor the clocks when you know they are talking bullocks

In english please?

[Kev Martin]

I recently had to remove some stid steer tyre marks from a retail park - I used my rotary but I never had any AM products or honing powder so on the same principle as advice offered here I used janitol rapide and kiln dried sand with a black pad (if I can call it that unless it upsets the fair trade supporters). 

Carl

Yep I can see that as the Janito Rapide is a High Alkaline Cleaner with a Degreasing Agent to break down the dirt in the rubber and the Kiln Dried Sand coupled with the black pad acted as your mechanical abrasive instead of the Honing Powder probably perfect results because no control was required of the amount of abrasivness (Grit) because it didn't matter on the surface you were using it on they just wanted or you just wanted rid of the tyre marks!  In an effort not to be pedantic my choice would have been a Soft to Medium brush because it MAY have been better depending on the texture of the surface as it would have gotten into the pits and fissures better but they probably weren't being that fussy anyway.  Great analagy actually and a great solution from someone who thought about the problem and solved it!


Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Marblelife Ltd