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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: telboy on October 25, 2016, 03:21:20 pm

Title: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: telboy on October 25, 2016, 03:21:20 pm
Are there any to be downloaded on the Clean it Up forum ???
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 25, 2016, 06:10:34 pm
There you go just edit how you want
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 25, 2016, 06:13:25 pm
Sorry it did not upload properly/work....Computer say NO  ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 25, 2016, 06:22:46 pm
Try this one
edit: also do a spell checker
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: the king on October 25, 2016, 06:38:29 pm
thanks for that alan in 14 years ive never had to do one lol but just down loaded it just in case  ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 25, 2016, 06:42:46 pm
Still you are supposed to do one for every job even if they don't ask to see it you naughty boy  ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: the king on October 25, 2016, 07:53:59 pm
lol ide never get any work done if i had to mess about with all this  paper work bull  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 25, 2016, 08:31:36 pm
In the event of an incident brought to the attention of HSE be it residential or commercial the first thing they will ask for is the RAMS for that perticular job. The worst two answers you can give is I don't have one or what's that ::)roll

Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: the king on October 25, 2016, 09:28:25 pm
i dont no a single wc in my area that dose them even my other half has to do them bet there to bizzy working it seems only a small percentege of people on forums that do them ;D i may do a poll just to c  ::)roll ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 25, 2016, 10:09:12 pm
i dont no a single wc in my area that dose them even my other half has to do them bet there to bizzy working it seems only a small percentege of people on forums that do them ;D i may do a poll just to c  ::)roll ;D

Maybe so but the real pros on the forum that employe workers should know it's a legal requirment to do. That goes for the self-employed too  :) http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/faq.htm
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Og on October 26, 2016, 06:47:22 am
Most risks with our work are generic, there's little to change with each job ( nearest a and e etc).
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Shrek on October 26, 2016, 07:48:24 am
I did my first one for a residential the other month.
After one clean they said they'd found someone cheaper.... what a waste of paper
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 26, 2016, 12:14:16 pm
I did my first one for a residential the other month.
After one clean they said they'd found someone cheaper.... what a waste of paper

I do hope you charged extra for the first clean lol
Anyway it's not a waste of paper as you don't even have to print them out what with email and all  :P
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Shrek on October 26, 2016, 12:44:14 pm
I did my first one for a residential the other month.
After one clean they said they'd found someone cheaper.... what a waste of paper

I do hope you charged extra for the first clean lol
Anyway it's not a waste of paper as you don't even have to print them out what with email and all  :P

Nope it was a front only for £4  ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 26, 2016, 02:10:32 pm
Wow! that's a lot...bet you were gutted to loose that account   ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Shrek on October 26, 2016, 02:49:37 pm
Wow! that's a lot...bet you were gutted to loose that account   ;D

It took me longer to fill out their details on the risk assessment than to clean their windows  :'(
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 26, 2016, 03:19:11 pm
Wow! that's a lot...bet you were gutted to loose that account   ;D

It took me longer to fill out their details on the risk assessment than to clean their windows  :'(

I bet it did  ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 27, 2016, 11:59:02 am
43 downloads and counting... maybe a  thank you would not go amiss  ::)roll
Anyway I robbed it off someone else as could not be arsed to make my own template  ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Matt. on October 27, 2016, 12:21:14 pm
Ur to kind smurf........

Take the link down and put a new link up with £1 charge for downloading  ;D

Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Soupy on October 27, 2016, 12:22:36 pm
43 downloads and counting... maybe a  thank you would not go amiss  ::)roll

I downloaded it so I could laugh at how terrible it was.

Disappointed.
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 27, 2016, 12:24:55 pm
43 downloads and counting... maybe a  thank you would not go amiss  ::)roll

I downloaded it so I could laugh at how terrible it was.

Disappointed.

Trust you to say that...You could have just opened it instead numpty  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 27, 2016, 12:30:54 pm
Ur to kind smurf........

Take the link down and put a new link up with £1 charge for downloading  ;D

Matt I could but maybe this would be a better idea if anyone would like to make a donation  ;)
https://www.parkinsons.org.uk/content/donate
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: PHILIP HARDY on October 28, 2016, 07:31:05 am
Thanks Smurf, big help. you little blue hatted marval ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: dazmond on October 28, 2016, 08:38:25 am
first off assessment is spelt wrong at the top of the page and second id drop the job if a domestic customer wanted a risk assessment form filling in. ::)roll
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Spruce on October 28, 2016, 08:56:14 am
first off assessment is spelt wrong at the top of the page and second id drop the job if a domestic customer wanted a risk assessment form filling in. ::)roll

Actually Daz, it is suggested that you do a written dated one for your own records to be kept on file in case there is ever an accident.

That RAMS will cover 99% of your work. You, as we do, make a mental risk assessment each time we go to a job. A job that is safe in dry weather with very minimal risks may have added risks when the weather is wet.
If our customer was having a children's party outside when we arrived, we wouldn't clean that house on that day as the risk doing it would be too high for us.

.
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 28, 2016, 08:58:04 am
first off assessment is spelt wrong at the top of the page and second id drop the job if a domestic customer wanted a risk assessment form filling in. ::)roll

try this one instead.

So if you employ or subby the work out would you still not do a RAMS then dazmond regadless if the customer wanted to see it or not?
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: LT carpet cleaning on October 28, 2016, 09:17:16 am
i dont no a single wc in my area that dose them even my other half has to do them bet there to bizzy working it seems only a small percentege of people on forums that do them ;D i may do a poll just to c  ::)roll ;D

I would seriously love to see the options you add:    :-\
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 28, 2016, 09:36:34 am
Thanks Smurf, big help. you little blue hatted marval ;D

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: clarkson on October 28, 2016, 09:50:23 am
In the event of an incident brought to the attention of HSE be it residential or commercial the first thing they will ask for is the RAMS for that perticular job. The worst two answers you can give is I don't have one or what's that ::)roll

Hi smurf
I actually don't agree with that , the worst thing you could say is here's my RAMS  but I didn't practise any of the control measures that would have prevented the accident in the first place.

That's why I  don't think it's a good idea to share docs like this , the process of learning how to produce them puts the operator into a learning curve of how to operate safely.

To many will now print this and think that's health and safety covered. Putting them in a worse position than if they just played dumb .

John
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 28, 2016, 11:16:18 am
Hi John, yes there is always that too.

Most will understand the concept and the implications of individuals, employees or sub- contractors not following the control measures put in place. However some may struggle to put it down on paper like I did. Hence why I posted this basic template so people get an idea how a RAMS doc could be laid out and then edited as they so wished. Obviously it goes with out saying a RAMS is also very specific to each and every individual job undertaken.
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Tosh on October 28, 2016, 05:45:56 pm
The worse thing you can say is "What's it got to do with you smart-arse?" 
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: LT carpet cleaning on October 28, 2016, 05:52:08 pm
The worse thing you can say is "What's it got to do with you smart-arse?"

 ;D

Sorry, Im finding it hilarious that people who put a bit of water on some glass equate themselves with Firemen, Crane drivers, pilots etc. RAMS ffs

 ;D ::)roll ::)roll
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Fieldsy on October 30, 2016, 12:42:18 pm
Thanks Smurf,

Just downloaded this. Now we have a few contracts we have been asked for these, but never been able to produce them......because

A) Didn't bloody know what they were ?
B) Didn't have them !! ...lol

We have also been told that if there is only 1 or 2 people involved in the on site contract then we can use the site/contractors RAMS, so never had to show them?   How true this is, I don't know ?

but cheers anyway, very handy to have ;)
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 30, 2016, 01:05:30 pm
I don't do any sub-contract work so can't answer that question but still the main contractor has to complete a RAMS regardless for each specific job.  All direct and indirect labour (sub-contractors) would need to work within their RAMS anyway.


Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Fieldsy on October 30, 2016, 01:12:59 pm
I don't do any sub-contract work so can't answer that question but still the main contractor has to complete a RAMS regardless for each specific job.  All direct and indirect labour (sub-contractors) would need to work within their RAMS anyway.

Yep, I pretty much think this is what they meant, we can work within their RAMS.
How building 200-300 houses incorporates pure water window cleaning in their RAMS I'll never know, but I assume all major building contractors must have it, cos someone has gotta clean their new builds for their new potential home owners ;)
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 30, 2016, 01:19:34 pm
After saying that every individual is responsible for their own safety and other too so you are within your right to say "jog on I'm not doing that". e.g. expected to wfp pole say having to stand in a busy road or climb onto/walk over a dodgy looking roof etc to reach hard to get windows etc etc.

Most nationals want the job done as cheap as possible so expect their sub-contractors to work there socks off and inevitably some end up taking unnecessary risks.  Regards to damage of the property being worked on such as buillders cleans scratched glass etc then they will be very quick at pointing the finger at you too... Good luck   ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Fieldsy on October 30, 2016, 02:01:36 pm
Been on site over 3 years with them now. Never had any issues. Never had any scratched glass. No complaints. Pay by BACS (taxed at source, as we are on CIS scheme)  within two weeks..............and they certainly don't get it done for next to nothing ;)

We must be lucky  ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 30, 2016, 02:08:26 pm
Indeed  ;)
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: the king on October 30, 2016, 09:41:45 pm
alan do u still were a hard hat for cleaning windows  ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 30, 2016, 10:01:29 pm
Yep also full face visor, ear defenders, chemical resistant respirator, chemical resistant gloves, chemical resistant suit and chemical resistant boots as Parts Per Trillion pure water is nasty stuff to splash about. lol
Oh and I forgot a fall arrest system when needed too   :P    


Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: SeanK on October 30, 2016, 10:38:23 pm
Totally agree look at what happened to the last guy who used parts per trillion water
without protection.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tx_CaXqp9U

Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Smurf on October 30, 2016, 10:41:35 pm
Told you so springs to mind  ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: the king on October 31, 2016, 05:46:33 am
Yep also full face visor, ear defenders, chemical resistant respirator, chemical resistant gloves, chemical resistant suit and chemical resistant boots as Parts Per Trillion pure water is nasty stuff to splash about. lol
Oh and I forgot a fall arrest system when needed too   :P
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on November 20, 2017, 09:15:36 am
thanks for the help mr. s
Title: Re: Risk assessment /Method statement Docs
Post by: Plankton on November 20, 2017, 10:19:02 am
You are carrying out a "dynamic risk assessment"  each time you turn up to a customer whether you know it or not. So for those that say I've never carried out a risk assessment well you have been. You know the potential hazards may change with boxes or furniture or washing lines  being in the way or the weather conditions with rain, ice, low sun etc affecting how you work. For this you don't need to carry out a paper exercise just like a postman wouldn't, common sense is required however.
(Site work I would imagine is down to what they require.)  I'll download the form for next week!