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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on February 08, 2019, 09:22:42 am
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is there a difference?
apparently theres a window cleaner who is inundated with calls on a regular basis from dissatisfied customers because their window cleaner uses DI only water and their frames and glass are clean but not shiny enough...... ::)roll ;D
also he says a commercial job he cleans insists he uses RO water not DI water.......
have you guys ever had complaints off your customers because their windows are not shiny enough? ;D
....no neither have i! ;D
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"inundated with calls" probably means it happened once in 2007 and hasn't happened since.
Window cleaners love to exaggerate.
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He’s chatting rubbish.
I was DI only for 6 years and have used RO for the last year. The only difference is the cost to purify.
“Inundated with calls” 😂😂😂
What will actually be happening is the fella that uses ‘DI water’ is actually using tap water, seen it locally a few times. My tap water has gone from 050 to 350 recently, if the Di only fella is the same then that’s why his customers glass isn’t shiny enough 😂
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We filter water to remove anything that would be seen on the glass after the water left on it dries, how you filter it doesnt matter, its serves no other purpose, this is basic stuff and why some shiners don't understand this is beyond me.
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he ll be on here soon....(splash and dash) to explain himself! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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He’s chatting rubbish.
I was DI only for 6 years and have used RO for the last year. The only difference is the cost to purify.
“Inundated with calls” 😂😂😂
What will actually be happening is the fella that uses ‘DI water’ is actually using tap water, seen it locally a few times. My tap water has gone from 050 to 350 recently, if the Di only fella is the same then that’s why his customers glass isn’t shiny enough 😂
are you out working in this danny?...even i have my limits......too wet and windy at the moment...think ill leave it another hour yet....
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He’s chatting rubbish.
I was DI only for 6 years and have used RO for the last year. The only difference is the cost to purify.
“Inundated with calls” 😂😂😂
What will actually be happening is the fella that uses ‘DI water’ is actually using tap water, seen it locally a few times. My tap water has gone from 050 to 350 recently, if the Di only fella is the same then that’s why his customers glass isn’t shiny enough 😂
are you out working in this danny?...even i have my limits......too wet and windy at the moment...think ill leave it another hour yet....
Nonsense, just write on your cards why you need to wonk in high winds and get out there.
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He’s chatting rubbish.
I was DI only for 6 years and have used RO for the last year. The only difference is the cost to purify.
“Inundated with calls” 😂😂😂
What will actually be happening is the fella that uses ‘DI water’ is actually using tap water, seen it locally a few times. My tap water has gone from 050 to 350 recently, if the Di only fella is the same then that’s why his customers glass isn’t shiny enough 😂
are you out working in this danny?...even i have my limits......too wet and windy at the moment...think ill leave it another hour yet....
Yes full day today. Cleaning a big country manor out towards Delamere so I jumped on the insides when it started battering down.
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Daz. You will have bad results on your windows because you drive a Ford. Better results on frames when you use a Renualt ;D
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This MUST be a wind up, yeah? Can anyone really be that daft? I've seen some BS on here over the years but this is verging on insanity!! ;D
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Forget the water the best things for shiny frames is hot water not DI or RO only.
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He’s chatting rubbish.
I was DI only for 6 years and have used RO for the last year. The only difference is the cost to purify.
“Inundated with calls” 😂😂😂
What will actually be happening is the fella that uses ‘DI water’ is actually using tap water, seen it locally a few times. My tap water has gone from 050 to 350 recently, if the Di only fella is the same then that’s why his customers glass isn’t shiny enough 😂
are you out working in this danny?...even i have my limits......too wet and windy at the moment...think ill leave it another hour yet....
Yes full day today. Cleaning a big country manor out towards Delamere so I jumped on the insides when it started battering down.
Hey Deeege
Get off my patch, Delamere is ALL mine😊😊😊
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Forget the water the best things for shiny frames is hot water not DI or RO only.
NO WAY!!!!
Newspaper and vinegar rules, especially at 30 feet up and above
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Pure waters pure water wether its di only or ro.
And hot water doesn't clean any better..just a marketing ploy to get more money out of gullible shiners ;D
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SO, Splash & Dash, is it true?
I have been directed to the thread on another forum and this guy's for real! ;D
That DI water is rubbish apparently- dull as dish water!! ;D LMAO
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Perhaps he uses Vision 2. Game changer.
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Fake News Mr Trump
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SO, Splash & Dash, is it true?
I have been directed to the thread on another forum and this guy's for real! ;D
That DI water is rubbish apparently- dull as dish water!! ;D LMAO
Yes it’s true and a fact if you fancy a trip down hear I will take you to meet the customers if you like and you can see it for yourself . I evan have a friend who is double Di and his water quality is fine he does a good job and openly admits Di doesn’t put a shine on the glass like ro , Ime not going to get into some debate or slanging match about this but it’s what we experience on a regular basis and have done for over 15 years laugh all you like but we have picked up thousands of pounds worth of work for this very reason , so Ime quite happy for people to use Di as we will continue to pick up there work 😂😂😂😂
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he ll be on here soon....(splash and dash) to explain himself! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Next time you get a diesel leak please don’t bother asking me for any advice , sort it out yourself
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SO, Splash & Dash, is it true?
I have been directed to the thread on another forum and this guy's for real! ;D
That DI water is rubbish apparently- dull as dish water!! ;D LMAO
Yes it’s true and a fact if you fancy a trip down hear I will take you to meet the customers if you like and you can see it for yourself . I evan have a friend who is double Di and his water quality is fine he does a good job and openly admits Di doesn’t put a shine on the glass like ro , Ime not going to get into some debate or slanging match about this but it’s what we experience on a regular basis and have done for over 15 years laugh all you like but we have picked up thousands of pounds worth of work for this very reason , so Ime quite happy for people to use Di as we will continue to pick up there work 😂😂😂😂
;D ;D ;D
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he ll be on here soon....(splash and dash) to explain himself! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Next time you get a diesel leak please don’t bother asking me for any advice , sort it out yourself
Your making yourself look like a fool mate.....just admit your wrong.......do you know how laughable it sounds when you say you 've picked up loads of work because joe public say their not happy with their window cleaner because he doesn't leave their windows shiny enough? ::)roll
Its BS that's why......man up and admit it.... ;D
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Do you have any understanding of pure water? The methods are different but produce the same quality of water under the microscope.
If a customer blames DI its because that's what they have been told by a so called expert shiner who clearly knows FA. ;D
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Wow, I'm double di, better get ready to lose some work😱😱😱😱
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he ll be on here soon....(splash and dash) to explain himself! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Next time you get a diesel leak please don’t bother asking me for any advice , sort it out yourself
Your making yourself look like a fool mate.....just admit your wrong.......do you know how laughable it sounds when you say you 've picked up loads of work because joe public say their not happy with their window cleaner because he doesn't leave their windows shiny enough? ::)roll
Its BS that's why......man up and admit it.... ;D
It’s a fact and it’s true the offer also applies to you come down hear I’ll take you to the customers and you can ask them and see for yourself either accept the offer or butt out , any way this is rich coming from someone who one muinit sais hot water is the best thing since sliced bread then it’s a complete waist of time no better and not worth having , then spends 4:5 k on a boiler , doesn’t make you look great does it ? Next thing you will be saying you are buying a ro system 😂😂😂
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I was told a few years ago by a staion comander in the North Wales Fire Service that they would treat the water that is used for WFP cleaning as a hazardous product.
I had a long chat with him and finally persuaded him that it was one of the least hazardous things you could have.
Just goes to show what bull S**T is out there.
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So that means rain is a hazardous product ! , I must of been bored the other day when it was raining, I measured the rain water and it was 1ppm !
Cheers Hotsteam ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
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Jeeez whatever next ::)roll , i thought Nathans threads were bad he's got competition now ;D ;D just shows how easy some people are baffled with bullpoop
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Have a read of this hopefully you will then be able to see that ro and Di are going to give better finish to the windows and frames than Di alone (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1549810006_3CF263AE-5F64-434A-88C7-F914B084FDB9.png)
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I only use left handed screw drivers as they tighten better
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Have a read of this hopefully you will then be able to see that ro and Di are going to give better finish to the windows and frames than Di alone (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1549810006_3CF263AE-5F64-434A-88C7-F914B084FDB9.png)
Can you explain how any of that is relevant in making a none porous surface more or less "shiney"?
Most people are already aware of what's explained in the above article. However, you still need to come up with some "plausible" reason/explanation as to why one type of pure water, whether it be by way of membrane or DI filtration would leave a surface any different to the other in terms of "shine". I look forward to your reply.👍
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Have a read of this hopefully you will then be able to see that ro and Di are going to give better finish to the windows and frames than Di alone (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1549810006_3CF263AE-5F64-434A-88C7-F914B084FDB9.png)
Can you explain how any of that is relevant in making a none porous surface more or less "shiney"?
Most people are already aware of what's explained in the above article. However, you still need to come up with some "plausible" reason/explanation as to why one type of pure water, whether it be by way of membrane or DI filtration would leave a surface any different to the other in terms of "shine". I look forward to your reply.👍
Ime no scientist , to put it in the simplest of terms and few words , a pre filter takes out big bits of solids , a carbon filter takes out chlorine and other bits and bobs , an ro takes out 99% of all the other stuff , then the Di polishes the water .
So if you are just using a 5 micron prefilter and Di all the other stuff is still in the water the Di doesn’t take out any solids .
The purer the water the more it wants to absorb dirt so Cleaning is better and faster
As the part of the article I posted sais
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But you are not talking about microscopic particles- even in terms of visibility to the human eye. You are claiming a superior finish in terms of enhanced "shine". How does that come about?
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Pringle anyone?
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So these customers that you would like us to meet, do they all live in the same care home, institution or facility that you clean?
Sounds amazing!
I can't even get my customers to unlock a side gate, let alone have any reasonable knowledge of RO or DI systems, with eyesight good enough to tell the difference in the quality between the two systems.
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Pringle anyone?
Yes please. Just leave it next to my tds metre for me.
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But you are not talking about microscopic particles- even in terms of visibility to the human eye. You are claiming a superior finish in terms of enhanced "shine". How does that come about?
I don’t know I cannot explaine it , I have several friends some of whome are Di only and some are ro and Di the Di only guys arnt doing a bad job but they cannot get the same results that we get ,that’s not boasting it’s just a fact , we did just one house in a road to start with then gradually we ended up doing 15 as the people could see a big difference between what there cleaner was doing compared to us , the glass was dull no shine on it the white frames are also dull , this is especially the case on a sunny day when the sun shines on the glass evan the other cleaners openly admit they cannot get theses results , I think if you are used to using Di only you don’t realise the difference that can be achieved with ro , and before ones get up in arms Ime not slagging off ones who use Di , it’s the same as a car you drive a golf and think it’s fast as you haven’t driven anything else , then drive a Ferrari and all of a sudden you realise the go,f isn’t as fast as you thought it was , same applies to Di-ro , again Ime not belittling Di guys , when I started years ago Mark Robbins from winteck said tome if you want the rolls Royce for cleaning windows get ro ,Di is ok but ro will give better results . Ionic systems is also another company I spoke to before I got my systems again they said exactly the same thing , most firms will say Di is ok but ro is a better system.
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But you are not talking about microscopic particles- even in terms of visibility to the human eye. You are claiming a superior finish in terms of enhanced "shine". How does that come about?
I don’t know I cannot explaine it , I have several friends some of whome are Di only and some are ro and Di the Di only guys arnt doing a bad job but they cannot get the same results that we get ,that’s not boasting it’s just a fact , we did just one house in a road to start with then gradually we ended up doing 15 as the people could see a big difference between what there cleaner was doing compared to us , the glass was dull no shine on it the white frames are also dull , this is especially the case on a sunny day when the sun shines on the glass evan the other cleaners openly admit they cannot get theses results , I think if you are used to using Di only you don’t realise the difference that can be achieved with ro , and before ones get up in arms Ime not slagging off ones who use Di , it’s the same as a car you drive a golf and think it’s fast as you haven’t driven anything else , then drive a Ferrari and all of a sudden you realise the go,f isn’t as fast as you thought it was , same applies to Di-ro , again Ime not belittling Di guys , when I started years ago Mark Robbins from winteck said tome if you want the rolls Royce for cleaning windows get ro ,Di is ok but ro will give better results . Ionic systems is also another company I spoke to before I got my systems again they said exactly the same thing , most firms will say Di is ok but ro is a better system.
If ionics tell you having an RO is better then it must be true 😂
Nothing to do with the fact they are rip off merchants and want to sell you a £8k system (RO) rather than a £5k system (DI).
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I think if you aren't using zero parts per billion or that magic "Vision" stuff you put in the water to make the windows shine more brightly then you aren't a real shiner.
Also every fool knows that pure water will rust your van out in three years and make holes in your clothing.
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But you are not talking about microscopic particles- even in terms of visibility to the human eye. You are claiming a superior finish in terms of enhanced "shine". How does that come about?
I don’t know I cannot explaine it , I have several friends some of whome are Di only and some are ro and Di the Di only guys arnt doing a bad job but they cannot get the same results that we get ,that’s not boasting it’s just a fact , we did just one house in a road to start with then gradually we ended up doing 15 as the people could see a big difference between what there cleaner was doing compared to us , the glass was dull no shine on it the white frames are also dull , this is especially the case on a sunny day when the sun shines on the glass evan the other cleaners openly admit they cannot get theses results , I think if you are used to using Di only you don’t realise the difference that can be achieved with ro , and before ones get up in arms Ime not slagging off ones who use Di , it’s the same as a car you drive a golf and think it’s fast as you haven’t driven anything else , then drive a Ferrari and all of a sudden you realise the go,f isn’t as fast as you thought it was , same applies to Di-ro , again Ime not belittling Di guys , when I started years ago Mark Robbins from winteck said tome if you want the rolls Royce for cleaning windows get ro ,Di is ok but ro will give better results . Ionic systems is also another company I spoke to before I got my systems again they said exactly the same thing , most firms will say Di is ok but ro is a better system.
I have used both and it makes no difference whatsoever. It is with regret that the only conclusion for me is that the whole "shine" thing is in your head and it's more probable the case that some of your local DI only competitors are not changing their resin when they should or generally doing a poor job to begin with- or both. If they really do concede that they cannot achieve the great "shiny (ness?)" that you do then I'm afraid that they are as deluded as you are! There is absolutely zero scientific, or even plausible reason to substantiate your claim and thus it can have no credibility whatsoever- the fact that this phenomenon remains "unexplainable" is not a surprise at all.
This is probably, the only really "polite" way to convey the reality of this situation.
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Taken from a very well known supplier's website...
An increasingly popular method of cleaning windows is the so-called “water fed pole” system. Instead of washing the windows with detergent in the conventional way, they are scrubbed with highly purified water, typically containing less than 10 ppm dissolved solids, using a brush on the end of a long pole which is wielded from ground level. Reverse osmosis is commonly used to purify the water.
And there was me thinking PPB was the way forward ::)roll
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I bet the DI only guy isn’t getting the same shine because the frames he’s cleaning are brown and wooden.
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I was told a few years ago by a staion comander in the North Wales Fire Service that they would treat the water that is used for WFP cleaning as a hazardous product.
I had a long chat with him and finally persuaded him that it was one of the least hazardous things you could have.
Just goes to show what bull S**T is out there.
It also goes to show that people with no common sense can get promoted!
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The fireman had probably been speaking to fishkeepers as RO water can kill fish.
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These old wives tales all started back in the day when equipment sellers needed gimmicky nonsense to try and get traditional guys to convert to WFP and spend, when you think about it we remove microscopic amounts of dissolved solids from the water which then is supposed to turn it into a supper dirt absorbent liquid, the joke is we all believed it back then simply because we didn't know any better.
I clean cladding and upvc fascias with tap water, they come up every bit as clean and shiny as they would with pure, the level of shine will depend on the condition of the upvc and there's nothing you can do with any type of water that will change that.
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He’s chatting rubbish.
I was DI only for 6 years and have used RO for the last year. The only difference is the cost to purify.
“Inundated with calls” 😂😂😂
What will actually be happening is the fella that uses ‘DI water’ is actually using tap water, seen it locally a few times. My tap water has gone from 050 to 350 recently, if the Di only fella is the same then that’s why his customers glass isn’t shiny enough 😂
we’re do you live
And why as your water gone so high
I think this is going to happen to my water
7 Trent has taken over dee valley
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He’s chatting rubbish.
I was DI only for 6 years and have used RO for the last year. The only difference is the cost to purify.
“Inundated with calls” 😂😂😂
What will actually be happening is the fella that uses ‘DI water’ is actually using tap water, seen it locally a few times. My tap water has gone from 050 to 350 recently, if the Di only fella is the same then that’s why his customers glass isn’t shiny enough 😂
we’re do you live
And why as your water gone so high
I think this is going to happen to my water
7 Trent has taken over dee valley
I’m in north Cheshire. Our water has always come from reservoirs (soft water) but during the drought last summer they started drawing water from bore holes (hard water). United Utilites, our water supplier, wrote to us to inform us of this a couple weeks before it happened.