[LT carpet cleaning]

I’m the same as dazmond.
I’ve always been a grafter I love working.

Really?

[G Griffin]

In answer to the OP

When Boris made his announcement I was in London clearing out my youngest daughter's flat (Monday night) I had not planned to work the Tuesday and it gave me time to reflect.

Driving back from London late that evening there was a three way whatsapp conference call between my wife and (me driving) youngest daughter and my two eldest daughters (both married to Window Cleaners, one who had just lost her job).

The subject was whether to work, "moral" and personal decisions, could we work etc. etc.etc.

For the rest of that week I posted on here that I was thinking it through and that my personal view was that I should not work. My sons-in-law made their decisions to start again on the Thursday or Friday of last week.

I had read the regulations and I believed that the "stay at home" outweighed the "should go to work" in the government guidelines. (FOR ME)

Then I had a couple of calls from customers asking what I was doing as they were happy for me to clean with "social distancing" and I told them that for "the time being" I wouldn't be working but was "watching this space.

Some one on here referenced Lee Pryor's site (and that he had started his business working again) and his website referencing  the relevant page of the government regulations. (Highlighted below in red)

With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.

So this made me think that I should re-evaluate. I have and I started working again with practical safeguards in place.

I have the "luxury" by good fortune and possibly rainy day saving to have been able to sit this out for far longer than 3 months; but I believe that FOR ME the balanced view is to work FOR THE TIME BEING.

I fully respect the view of others that they wish to follow the overarching view of stay at home but FOR ME AND MY WORK I believe that I can cover a significant proportion of it within Government guidelines on Social Distances and that as I can "I should work".

The thing is Malc, business is carrying on. It's to encourage us not to close our businesses in these difficult times.
It's the same with the employees. They are furloughed so that they might have a job at the end of the lockdown.
The government don't want to happen what's happening in America- a million unemployed in a week and more than that since.
They're saying to us, sit out the storm but don't shut up shop (see what I did there?).
They're giving us a loan to get a boat and a net instead of giving us a few fish, a week, indefinitely.

[G Griffin]

You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.

You're just wrong and you shouldn't be giving out false information.
How do you know that your business hasn't been affected by the virus anyway? It's not even peaked yet and we're still locked down.

[Missing Link]

You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.

You're just wrong and you shouldn't be giving out false information.
How do you know that your business hasn't been affected by the virus anyway? It's not even peaked yet and we're still locked down.

Dry Clean is spot on.

Lot's of businesses are doing great; on-line retail for example.  It's why Yodel delivery people are having a great time with no traffic.

Governments giving out the dosh to self employed who have been affected by Covid-19.

You're giving out false information.

[G Griffin]

You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.

You're just wrong and you shouldn't be giving out false information.
How do you know that your business hasn't been affected by the virus anyway? It's not even peaked yet and we're still locked down.

Dry Clean is spot on.

Lot's of businesses are doing great; on-line retail for example.  It's why Yodel delivery people are having a great time with no traffic.

Governments giving out the dosh to self employed who have been affected by Covid-19.

You're giving out false information.

You're wrong as well then. You're agreeing with Dry Clean, for crying out loud.
What are you going on about Yodel for? You do know why they didn't close, don't you?

[Missing Link]

You're wrong as well then. You're agreeing with Dry Clean, for crying out loud.

Because he's right and you are wrong and spreading fake news.

Speaking at the government’s daily press conference, Sunak said: “The government will pay self-employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus a taxable grant worth 80% of their average monthly profits over the last three years, up to £2,500 a month.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/coronavirus-uk-offers-self-employed-80-of-earnings

[G Griffin]

You're wrong as well then. You're agreeing with Dry Clean, for crying out loud.

Because he's right and you are wrong and spreading fake news.

Speaking at the government’s daily press conference, Sunak said: “The government will pay self-employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus a taxable grant worth 80% of their average monthly profits over the last three years, up to £2,500 a month.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/coronavirus-uk-offers-self-employed-80-of-earnings

Show me where I'm wrong then.
You do know that Sunak said that during a press conference. Is it policy and how could they enforce it?

Now, tell me where I'm wrong and I'll show you that I'm not.

[JackieW]

I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.

I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''

If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'

[Soupy]

He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.

Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise.  The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.

That implies that the government want us to stop working.

They don't.

Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday .

Well this is what they are doing with the Employed.   You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages.  So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000.  If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640.  On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME.  So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.

Incorrect.



https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

[Missing Link]

Show me where I'm wrong then.
You do know that Sunak said that during a press conference. Is it policy and how could they enforce it?

Now, tell me where I'm wrong and I'll show you that I'm not.

You were wrong by telling Dry Clean that he's wrong.

He wasn't; he was spot on.

[Soupy]

I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.

I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''

If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'

I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".

[Missing Link]

I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.

I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''

If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'

Yes, no proof needed.  Most businesses have been affected, but you should have been affected.

Imagine I made anti-bac hand gels and sold them on-line.  If I tried to claim that I'd been adversely affected by Covid-19 then I'm sure I'd get an investigation.

So government has used a broad brush to get us this payment, but it's not so broad that EVERY business will get it, because some will have made a killing.

[Missing Link]

I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".

You can't put two guys in one vehicle. 

Job jobbed.

You've probably lost/got on pause a lot of commercial stuff too.

[Soupy]

I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".

You can't put two guys in one vehicle. 

Job jobbed.

You've probably lost/got on pause a lot of commercial stuff too.

Went in yesterday. I'm at 200 cancellations so far including most of my commercial work.

[JackieW]

You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.

This is the win win situation we find ourselves in. Somebody is going to give us up to £2500 a month to sit on our backsides.

So does that mean you'll now have no problem staying at home with rest of the workshy?

Personally, if/when I work I'll be viewing the up to £2500 as free cash.

[Dry Clean]

I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.

I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''

If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'

I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".

No you decided to stop earning money even though the government said it was ok for you to do so, I wonder is this the real reason behind some of the bile on here, when it comes to claiming the fact that many shiners where able to continue on as normal might go against those who didn't want to.

[Missing Link]

Personally, if/when I work I'll be viewing the £2500 as free cash.

BoJo, best PM ever.

[G Griffin]

Show me where I'm wrong then.
You do know that Sunak said that during a press conference. Is it policy and how could they enforce it?

Now, tell me where I'm wrong and I'll show you that I'm not.

You were wrong by telling Dry Clean that he's wrong.

He wasn't; he was spot on.

He was wrong. He said that you could only claim if...…..

[Dry Clean]

I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".

You can't put two guys in one vehicle. 

Job jobbed.

You've probably lost/got on pause a lot of commercial stuff too.

Royal mail have got around it and they have 60k employees.

[JackieW]

Dry Clean,

Whether you decide to work or not you will still get the grant if you are self employed. According to MSE you won't have to prove anything.