SeanK

Re: Trad is always superior in customers eyes over wfp
« Reply #180 on: August 17, 2014, 07:17:32 pm »
There are no real differences in expenses in either trad or wfp, that's how your catch out the Walter Mitties on here.
The biggest yearly expenses in window cleaning are holiday pay, insurances and fuel all of which you get with both methods.
Yes you could use a family car if you wanted to trad as cheaply as possible but most need second vehicle
which is another expense shared by both methods.

Expenses over the past year or two for me, WFP, that wouldn't apply if I was trad.  In no particular order.

Filters
New membrane when I contaminated the old one
Resin
Charcoal (for my filtering)
New pole to replace worn out pole
New brushes
New hose
Water (metered, it's a lot of cash)
New transfer pump
Electricity costs (booster pump 1kW, transfer pump 900w)

I know trad guys would have some expenses I don't have but not comparable.

I must be a Walter Mitty, too, to have come up with that list without really working at it.

Vin


Take your expenses over a 5 year period and what would that list actually cost you ?
Yes wfp might cost you a few quid more than tradition methods but it not the thousands per year that some
try to make out.
I know there will be exceptions to the norm, premises water meters and so on but I'm talking about the average
one man window cleaner.

SeanK

Re: Trad is always superior in customers eyes over wfp
« Reply #181 on: August 17, 2014, 07:20:38 pm »
Expenditure for me with WFP:


So, say £3.7k a year for the van (fuel £2k, insurance £500 - repairs, maintenance MOT, tax disc another £1.3k (van is old to maybe average of £1k a year repairs/servicing - it has been more and has been less).

Premises and water - a bit over £2k a year.  Resin £200.

So vehicle, premises, water and resin is close to £6k before I start on anything else.
It would be easy to exceed £7k by the time I add on the other stuff like marketing, accountancy, tool replacements, pre-filters, membrane, home printing, telephone, hose, connectors,microfibres.  None of those (barring new poles) are a big cost but they do add up.
I appreciate that those who have home facilities for filtering and who only work within a few miles of home can reduce those costs a fair bit but neither of those options are open to me.

Furthermore, many of these expenses are a direct result of WFP.  Diesel is a lot more for a Trafic with 800l tank compared to a lightly loaded Ford Escort with trad stuff.  Also, no need for premises orextra water bill.  Vehicle insurance higher too.
Not rubbioshing what others say.  It's just how I find it.  However, the extra turnover is much greater than the higher expenses.

Paying £3.7k a year for a van that's so old its costing a grand in repairs like I said its very easy to spot the Walter Mitties
on here.

Fuel £2k.  Insurance £500.  Tax disc £200.  Repairs AVERAGE of £1k which includes tyres, brakes, steering, MOT. It cost me about £2.5k one year when I had the gearbox stripped.   Buying a new one would be much more per year.

So, why Walter Mitty - or are you just being your usual a-hole self?

Actually, forget it.
You win you Bast d.
I'm off.


Sorry I misread your post, I thought you where paying 3.7k a year to buy the van.
Wow some people are way too sensitive to be window cleaners, some of the messers out there would cut them to pieces.

Don Kee

  • Posts: 4851
Re: Trad is always superior in customers eyes over wfp
« Reply #182 on: August 17, 2014, 07:21:31 pm »
Moyesy i may have mis read your post but how on early are you soending over a grand on your tax disc?! Unless you have 5/6 vans out then fair enough but i think most are on about one man bands...

You are misreading.  Note "repairs, maintenance MOT, ..." before "tax disc".  The commas indicate a list of things included in the £1.3k.  "Tax disc" is just one of those items (its a bit over £200.


Ahhhh good spot, my mistake  :)

Mick Kent

  • Posts: 1380
Re: Trad is always superior in customers eyes over wfp
« Reply #183 on: August 17, 2014, 08:06:19 pm »
Wow it didnt take much to send him over the edge!

Steven Biggs

  • Posts: 1350
Re: Trad is always superior in customers eyes over wfp
« Reply #184 on: August 17, 2014, 08:43:15 pm »