[Paul Coleman]

unsecured hose reel in the back of your car travelling to your mothers for dinner, no problem.
unsecured hose reel in the back of your car travelling to your next customer, different matter all together.
Dont get me wrong i am not trying to be a scare monger.
I am just showing that ,god forbid if you did have an accident while operating (in business time) and something unsecured or overweight was found at scene or during further investigation you will be prosecuted!
Fact!
Involuntary manslaughter! death caused by an insecure load. Google it! it will open your eyes. I wouldnt fancy my chances if my 2 hose reels came flying towards me in an accident!
 

I think the tank would block anything from flying through the metal bulkhead anyway.
Most drive betweens are a fairly short distance and on low speed roads so probably not such an issue but the odd far away job or the journeys to and from first and last jobs might be.
I suppose I will have to go to my friends' places for cups of tea between every job 

[Rob_Mac]

You stop being complacent when you have an accident.

Metal bulkhead on a Transit LWB van, 1000litre IBC tank, full, ratchet strapped But as we found out not tight enough.

Had a crash at 30mph and lost about 18 inches of the cab space as the tank moved forward on impact.

Rob

[Matthew Bateman]

Was the tank hard up against the bulkhead?

Have you got any pictures of this please?

Matt

[Rob_Mac]

It was a Y reg transit just after we went over to wfp, over six years ago now. I may have been doing forty but no more. I think there was a gap between the bulkhead and tank. Long time ago.

I know I ended up right up against the steering wheel.

Rob

[Smart Carpet]

So there goes the argument that carrying barrels instead of properly fitting a tank means that you are just carrying 'cargo' and don't have to insure it differently..  

The unsafe load of barrels etc could invalidate any insurance anyway!


The penalty for carrying an unsafe load can range from a verbal warning to a £60 fixed penalty notice. Drivers can also be issued with an immediate prohibition notice.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/safetyloadsonvehicles.pdf

page 111 on the above PDF link states this:

Regulation 40A of the Road Traffic Act1988
introduced by the Road Traffic Act 1991

40 A. A Person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle
or trailer on a road when:
(a) the condition of the motor vehicle or trailer, or of its accessories or equipment, or
(b) the purpose for which it is used, or
(c) the number of passengers carried by it, or the manner in which they are carried, or
(d) the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which it is secured,
is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person.


Appendix A
111

[Klean07]

Wonder how many wcs have read this post and are now worried that their tank either isn't secured properly or they're overloading their vans by carrying too much water.

[Dave Willis]

http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/2007/07/van-crash-test-at-30mph.html

[Matthew Bateman]

It was a Y reg transit just after we went over to wfp, over six years ago now. I may have been doing forty but no more. I think there was a gap between the bulkhead and tank. Long time ago.

I know I ended up right up against the steering wheel.

Rob

But it was strapped down somehow yeah? Ratchet straps through the lugs that are in the floor?

[Steve_c]

When i brought my system i had already put a deposit on a ford Transit 260 Ex Gas board, ionics told me the pay load was not sufficient i needed 280 plus. Luckily the van center had a Ex bt van a T300 i just transferred the deposit over to that van. All wfp companies that fit systems won't fit them unless your systems weight matches your vehicle.

[Spruce]

I cannot work out which numbers on the plate in my Transit is the payload?

Chopsie
Not sure of the very latest T260 but the 2005 Tddi has a payload of 988kgs. So the weight of a tank of diesel, driver and passenger and any other fixed accessories fitted, ie bulkhead, roofrack etc, removed from that figure will be what you have left to work with.
IMO if you have a 650l tank fitted and fully fill it, you could very well be overloaded.
Spruce

[mark mann]

just leave your wallet on path when they come to weigh you 

[Dave Willis]

Isn't the clue in the numbers?

T260 = 2.6 tonnes
T300 = 3 tonnes

My Toyota is a 280 - 2.8 tonnes

[Klean07]

The other important thing to remember here is how full your fuel tank is. My fuel tank only ever gets filled to halfway hence me be able to carry more water.

[chopsie]

Chopsie
Not sure of the very latest T260 but the 2005 Tddi has a payload of 988kgs. So the weight of a tank of diesel, driver and passenger and any other fixed accessories fitted, ie bulkhead, roofrack etc, removed from that figure will be what you have left to work with.
IMO if you have a 650l tank fitted and fully fill it, you could very well be overloaded.
Spruce

Cheers, Mine is a 2005, So that will do, I got a 400 litre tank in,could do with a bit more really, I have also had a rear bench seat fitted so that will reduce my payload even more.

Isn't the clue in the numbers?

T260 = 2.6 tonnes
T300 = 3 tonnes

My Toyota is a 280 - 2.8 tonnes

I assume this is the total weight of the vehicle and permitted payload, As I am dam sure my van could not handle 2.6 tonnes in the back