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Excess deaths
« on: February 20, 2024, 09:06:29 pm »
Anyone else staggered by the amount of customers that have died since 2020/21 ?

EandM

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2024, 09:09:27 pm »
I've not had any die yet but five of them, and myself, have all had unexplained heart issues in the last three years.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2024, 09:55:58 pm »
I've not had any die yet but five of them, and myself, have all had unexplained heart issues in the last three years.

Ages?
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EandM

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2024, 10:09:15 pm »
I've not had any die yet but five of them, and myself, have all had unexplained heart issues in the last three years.

Ages?

All around my age range: 45-60

One nearly died and the rest of us were incapacitated.

I met several of them on hospital trips.

Den68

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2024, 10:14:24 pm »
The Covid jab don’t accept anymore.

Bungle

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2024, 10:15:57 pm »
Anyone else staggered by the amount of customers that have died since 2020/21 ?

Stoots isn't one of your customers is he?
We look at them, they look through them.

Splash & dash

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2024, 11:01:06 pm »
The Covid jab don’t accept anymore.


A lot in the medical profession are now starting to say the  vaccinations can cause heart problems I know of several that were fine before and now have “ sticky heart valves “ I think over the next few years the full storey will emerge

zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2024, 06:57:12 am »
That’s the jab for you.  (Obviously there are other reasons alongside the jab)

I never took it. No way. Too many people had heart issues after.

It’s a jab with the potential for negative consequence.

Wife was part of the 100k nhs employees that never took it. Among that 100k were several consultants, medical professionals etc. that tells you a lot!

DJW

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2024, 07:30:53 am »
……… and out of that 100k nobody has died and nobody has had any medical conditions?

AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2024, 08:13:00 am »
I had five customers/neighbours/friend - die of Covid in 2020/2021.

But as for general deaths my radar seems to be up for Pancreatic Cancer.

I know of five people personally or customers that have died of PC in the last five years.

1. Otherwise fit lady aged 70 (2019)
2. Bloke of 56 (2019)
3. Yesterday found out one of my customers had it. Died aged 52. (2024)
4. In  November another one died aged 53. (2023)
5. Lady of 68 in (2022)
It's a game of three halves!

NBwcs

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2024, 09:41:50 am »
The Covid jab don’t accept anymore.


A lot in the medical profession are now starting to say the  vaccinations can cause heart problems I know of several that were fine before and now have “ sticky heart valves “ I think over the next few years the full storey will emerge

Any links ?

dd

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2024, 09:55:17 am »
Several of my customers have become widows or widower's in the last few moths. Never had so many customers die in short space of time before - different causes though.

I think Covid is a catalyst. Could be Covid itself, effects of isolation or the vaccine - any of which could  weaken people's immune system.

Bungle

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2024, 09:58:22 am »
The Covid jab don’t accept anymore.


A lot in the medical profession are now starting to say the  vaccinations can cause heart problems I know of several that were fine before and now have “ sticky heart valves “ I think over the next few years the full storey will emerge

Any links ?

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-updates-evidence-on-rare-heart-condition-after-covid-vaccination/ Not sure that it says anything about a lot of medical professionals saying the jab can lead to heart problems.
We look at them, they look through them.

JandS

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2024, 10:37:51 am »
The deaths for me have all been some form of cancer.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Splash & dash

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2024, 11:37:37 am »
The Covid jab don’t accept anymore.


A lot in the medical profession are now starting to say the  vaccinations can cause heart problems I know of several that were fine before and now have “ sticky heart valves “ I think over the next few years the full storey will emerge

Any links ?


My eldest daughter is a paramedic and this is a discussion that regularly comes up with doctors and consultants , don’t know of anything specific in writing, but more and more doctors are starting ti see younger patient with heart issues all similar symptoms, and it would appear it COULD be linked to the vaccine.

Bungle

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2024, 12:07:57 pm »
It could be something to do with the powder they sniff. Go to a football match and there's loads off their heads.
We look at them, they look through them.

tonyoliver

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2024, 12:21:36 pm »
1600 people a day die in the uk
Check on full fact website and bbc verified
from all causes the rate has gone down slightly after Covid
 if you are unlucky enough to read a privately printed newspaper called the light you’ll see all the conspiracy theories in action they claimed aids was the trial for Covid  15 million excess deaths don’t mention that  bill gates trackers  makes you magnetic dna Changes  making people scared of vaccines now measles is back tb is back 
These are dangerous ideas that spoil lives and families polio is a killer  is Nigeria and Afghan because they tell the locals the sugar cube makes them go gay
As a last fun fact in the light there is a dating adverts so these fruit loops don’t infect our gene pool

EandM

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2024, 12:29:50 pm »
What bothered me most is that I've always had faith that what the Medical Profession recommended was probably in our best interests.  In 55 years on the planet, I've not had any real necessity to second guess them.

My eight year old had cancer in 2018 and the care he received, and still does, has been quite superb.

But when the whole Covid thing occurred, one of my customers who is a retired heart surgeon had serious misgivings about how the situation was being handled. He and two other older specialists started asking questions in the briefings they attended. Simple stuff like why were the existing plans on pandemic handling being ignored? They then found themselves and their combined century of experience and expertise being excluded from any further briefings.

After my heart issue, I met up with a customer who'd had the same experience on a hospital day trip.
They ran an EKG, a CT scan and an ultrasoound.

The conclusions for both of us  - in the end all of us - were identical:

There's nothing wrong with you.
We have no idea what caused the symptoms.
No one else has complained.

So I'd have been fairly happy with that and put it down to an unexpected glitch in something were it not for a conversation a year or so later with a Nurse from the same hospital who works in A&E.
I told her what the symptoms were and what happened and she replied:

" That's Myocarditis or Pericarditis- we saw loads of that in A&E. If it happens again call an ambulance."

That's what bothers me!

There's a good write up in The Lancet too although, like all primary media they aren't trying to link it to the jabs.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762%2823%2900221-1/fulltext


dd

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2024, 12:36:45 pm »
I know a window cleaner who had Covid  3 years or so ago and has not been able to work since due to chronic fatigue. He now claims benefits as result, he is 62. (He got it before the vaccine was available)

For anyone who thinks they have had adverse effects from the vaccine there will be many more who suffered worse from Covid.

A woman in her 40's who was in my son's Tai Chi class refused the vaccine and died about 18 month's ago from Covid (shortly after contracting it).

Both these individuals seemed in otherwise good health.

Personally I have had 3 vaccinations but am not planning on having anymore.

Jay Le Huray

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2024, 01:48:01 pm »
Yes it has to be said that since the covid vaccines a lot of people have died far to young, is this because they've had the vaccine?

I can't answer that but I have not had one jab and never will, I don't trust a vaccine that never when through the proper trials and was available a couple of months after covid was announced ???

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like but I just don't trust our so called government   

Spruce

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2024, 01:55:12 pm »
I know a window cleaner who had Covid  3 years or so ago and has not been able to work since due to chronic fatigue. He now claims benefits as result, he is 62. (He got it before the vaccine was available)

For anyone who thinks they have had adverse effects from the vaccine there will be many more who suffered worse from Covid.

A woman in her 40's who was in my son's Tai Chi class refused the vaccine and died about 18 month's ago from Covid (shortly after contracting it).

Both these individuals seemed in otherwise good health.

Personally I have had 3 vaccinations but am not planning on having anymore.

My daughter is in the same boat with long COVID. However the long COVID clinic told her there is no such think as long COVID and marched them out of his office, telling her that she has chronic fatigue.

She caught it at the hospital she worked for before COVID was even being recognised as an issue.

There does seem to be a government directive denying the existence of long COVID. She says that cfs is getting more nhs medical support, so she is going down that route.

We have had all our COVID jabs and we have managed to dodge COVID as far as we know. The first cold I've had was last month when we were on holiday in the Canaries.

We have discussed whether to take the next vaccine or not, but haven't made a decision one way or another yet.
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Spruce

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2024, 02:05:22 pm »
Yes it has to be said that since the covid vaccines a lot of people have died far to young, is this because they've had the vaccine?

I can't answer that but I have not had one jab and never will, I don't trust a vaccine that never when through the proper trials and was available a couple of months after covid was announced ???

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like but I just don't trust our so called government

I honestly would have hated having to make the calls when COVID first kicked off, no matter what people think of Boris and his advisers.

At least Britain didn't pursue the full course of crowd immunity like another European country did which resulted in the deaths of lots of old people, especially those in care homes.

It was bad enough when a parliament member said this was a good virus as the country needed to lose a lot of it's old age pensioner population. He was never sanctioned for his remark. Maybe this reflected government feelings at the time?
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Splash & dash

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2024, 03:30:47 pm »
I know a window cleaner who had Covid  3 years or so ago and has not been able to work since due to chronic fatigue. He now claims benefits as result, he is 62. (He got it before the vaccine was available)

For anyone who thinks they have had adverse effects from the vaccine there will be many more who suffered worse from Covid.

A woman in her 40's who was in my son's Tai Chi class refused the vaccine and died about 18 month's ago from Covid (shortly after contracting it).

Both these individuals seemed in otherwise good health.

Personally I have had 3 vaccinations but am not planning on having anymore.


Ime not against vaccines and do think that millions of lives have been saved by ones having the Covid jabs , BUT we don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine could it cause major health issues , look at  phelidemide that was given to pregnant women in the 60s , and the results from that .

DJW

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2024, 03:55:30 pm »
You don’t know the long term effects from vaping either. Hasn’t put people off. Seems loads of people want to inject their skin with tattoo ink, fill their faces with Botox, pump their arses with silicone, stick bags inside their breasts, fit a gastric band, sniff powder up their nostrils, inject themselves with steroids, soak their livers in alcohol, but a vaccine that might save their stupid little lives? Ooh no way!

Small but perfectley formed

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2024, 04:09:31 pm »
 Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP
Spit and polish

zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2024, 04:12:15 pm »
You don’t know the long term effects from vaping either. Hasn’t put people off. Seems loads of people want to inject their skin with tattoo ink, fill their faces with Botox, pump their arses with silicone, stick bags inside their breasts, fit a gastric band, sniff powder up their nostrils, inject themselves with steroids, soak their livers in alcohol, but a vaccine that might save their stupid little lives? Ooh no way!

I haven’t done one of those things in my life.

100% glad I never took a brand new mRNA vaccine which in the past has never made it past trials due to so many issues in animal testing .

It was a brand new vaccine technology, never used before. No thanks.


It was also a pretty useless vaccine, it didn’t stop transmission, it didn’t reduce symotoms by any significant margin. It didn’t stop deaths. It didn’t stop the virus.

You’ve only got to look and research. Dr John Campbell is a good place to start.

Splash & dash

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2024, 04:24:37 pm »
You don’t know the long term effects from vaping either. Hasn’t put people off. Seems loads of people want to inject their skin with tattoo ink, fill their faces with Botox, pump their arses with silicone, stick bags inside their breasts, fit a gastric band, sniff powder up their nostrils, inject themselves with steroids, soak their livers in alcohol, but a vaccine that might save their stupid little lives? Ooh no way!

I haven’t done one of those things in my life.

100% glad I never took a brand new mRNA vaccine which in the past has never made it past trials due to so many issues in animal testing .

It was a brand new vaccine technology, never used before. No thanks.


It was also a pretty useless vaccine, it didn’t stop transmission, it didn’t reduce symotoms by any significant margin. It didn’t stop deaths. It didn’t stop the virus.

You’ve only got to look and research. Dr John Campbell is a good place to start.


I think it did  drastically reduce the symptoms for millions of people , less died , I had Covid before the vaccine and was really ill , have had it since the vaccine ant it was no ware near as bad

DJW

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2024, 04:25:21 pm »
Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened? What do you think halted the pandemic around the world? Any ideas?

zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2024, 04:35:29 pm »
Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.


zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2024, 04:36:32 pm »
Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

Unfortunately people don’t want to know the truth.


AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2024, 04:48:16 pm »
Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

Unfortunately people don’t want to know the truth.

And some people want to proclaim things as being 'truth' and 'certainty' when there is scant evidence for what they proclaim.
It's a game of three halves!

AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2024, 04:53:33 pm »
Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

Wikipedia has an article with sources about him ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

It's a game of three halves!

zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2024, 04:53:52 pm »
Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

Unfortunately people don’t want to know the truth.

And some people want to proclaim things as being 'truth' and 'certainty' when there is scant evidence for what they proclaim.

Watch the many many evidence based videos John Campbell has put out. He has been interviewed by many on the media.


zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2024, 04:54:47 pm »
Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

Wikipedia has an article with sources about him ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
Watch, then criticise.


DJW

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2024, 04:55:04 pm »
Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

I’d love to know how you were diagnosed with both variants? Do it yourself? It’s a fact some people were affected badly and lost their lives whilst others could shake it off as a cold. Customers of mine died from covid, as far as I’m aware none died of the vaccine.

zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2024, 05:01:02 pm »
https://youtu.be/iyo2UNQcdpQ?si=fWbMIpYmct6dqR_2

There  are countless videos worth watching.

If you had the Jab and were fine, great.

I’ve had all other vaccines, and my kids have had all their routine jabs.

I am not, however, taking an experimental jab with no long term data.

I also trust my wife and her consultant colleagues over a few windows cleaners.

I am absolutely happy with my decision not to take an experimental jab, especially seen as myself, wife and kids all had Covid with absolutely no severe symptoms, therefore making a vaccine for us completely pointless.


AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2024, 05:01:51 pm »
Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

Wikipedia has an article with sources about him ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
Watch, then criticise.

I haven't criticised.

However ...

In October 2023, the BBC Radio 4 programme More or Less debunked a video that Campbell had made in September 2023 in which he wrongly claimed that excess deaths were higher among those who had had a COVID-19 vaccine than those who had not; the figures he used in fact showed the opposite.[32] Campbell took down his video after being contacted by the programme, telling them that he was not a statistician.[32]

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Smudger

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2024, 05:09:18 pm »
Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

Unfortunately people don’t want to know the truth.

And some people want to proclaim things as being 'truth' and 'certainty' when there is scant evidence for what they proclaim.

Watch the many many evidence based videos John Campbell has put out. He has been interviewed by many on the media.

 ;D like this is proof the guy is a "leading authority" - many times no brain numpties are wheeled out just to give a "balanced" opinion

just go back the MMR - total rollocks by a doctor with an agenda to sell single shots and numpty parents listening to that rather than proper medical advice
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AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2024, 05:11:16 pm »
And ...

In August 2022 David Gorski wrote for Science-Based Medicine that while at the beginning of the pandemic Campbell had "seemed semi-reasonable", he later became a "total COVID-19 crank".[2] Others have expressed concern that Campbell's videos have been used by podcaster Jimmy Dore and others to support false claims against the Covid-19 vaccines.[19]

David Gorski
David Henry Gorski is an American surgical oncologist and professor of surgery at Wayne State University School of Medicine.[1] He specializes in breast cancer surgery at the Karmanos Cancer Institute.[2] Gorski is an outspoken skeptic and critic of alternative medicine and the anti-vaccination movement. A prolific blogger, he writes as Orac at Respectful Insolence, and as himself at Science-Based Medicine where he is the managing editor.[3][4][5]

Jimmy Dore
James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965) is an American stand-up comedian, political commentator, conspiracy theorist, podcaster and YouTube personality.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Dore promoted misleading information about the efficacy and safety of vaccines, even though he had been vaccinated.[31][32][33] The anti-parasitic drug ivermectin was promoted on his program as a treatment for COVID-19 although there is no compelling medical evidence to support this.[34]
It's a game of three halves!

zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2024, 06:09:27 pm »
Suit yourselves 👍🏼


zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2024, 06:13:22 pm »
Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

Unfortunately people don’t want to know the truth.

And some people want to proclaim things as being 'truth' and 'certainty' when there is scant evidence for what they proclaim.

Watch the many many evidence based videos John Campbell has put out. He has been interviewed by many on the media.

 ;D like this is proof the guy is a "leading authority" - many times no brain numpties are wheeled out just to give a "balanced" opinion

just go back the MMR - total rollocks by a doctor with an agenda to sell single shots and numpty parents listening to that rather than proper medical advice

Yes the mmr was a load of nonsense. My kids have had all their jabs, including mmr.

The Covid vaccine however, did and does have severe side effects in many many more people than it should. It’s well documented. It was also causing heart issues in young males at an alarming rate.

I am absolutely happy with my decision to not get vaccinated.

Each to their own!

dazmond

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2024, 07:39:50 pm »
More people generally die in the winter months.....

I've got a few coffin dodgers on their last legs..  I reckon at least 10 in their 90s......

Lots of people these days are so unhealthy!lack of exercise,sedentary jobs and too much junk food....

Just remember when your out and about working in all weathers it's better than sat in front of a screen all day!👍🙂
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Smudger

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2024, 10:37:53 pm »
Zesty - stick up a few links so I can have a read please
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zesty

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2024, 07:46:49 am »
https://youtu.be/Y7vTqEmlkvw?si=Y4c-_42p56Kr01an

And the other link I posted is worth watching.

I am not interested in conspiracy’s, but I find the evidence compelling, and at the very least concerning.

Let’s face it, the Astra zen vax was pulled due to clotting issues. The other vaccines had huge negative side effects, some very serious, and there were many many deaths. The yellow card scheme has never been so ‘used’.

For the vast majority, the vaccines were fine, but too many people suffered severe side affects to make it safe for all to take.


https://youtu.be/htRavAZ6jVE?si=VLUmpfbzhQq8U0fA


You can also google and research ‘young people cardiac deaths’ and see the rise over the last 2 years. Each of us has to be convinced by what we read and know. Something has changed, it’s either the vax or the virus itself, both can be right, but from what I see and hear from my wife who works at the Colchester and Ipswich hospitals, there was a definite, and I mean definite, rise in cardiac issues amongst young men after vaccine uptake.

https://youtu.be/5LLk_xB071s?si=hpA6F2UzyUA7ETFv

Of course, money talks, and big pharma isn’t going to give up those dollars. It’s a sad reality.

For me, it was not worth the risk of cardiac issues. So I made the decision to not get vaccinated.




Den68

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2024, 07:47:09 am »
Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

I’d love to know how you were diagnosed with both variants? Do it yourself? It’s a fact some people were affected badly and lost their lives whilst others could shake it off as a cold. Customers of mine died from covid, as far as I’m aware none died of the vaccine.

Because you are not aware doesn’t mean it’s gossip, my wife’s 62 year old cousin was as fit as a fiddle died within 7 hours of having the jab heart attack.

Slacky

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2024, 08:22:07 am »
You assume the vaccine caused the heart attack because you want to believe that was the cause. Hasn’t that occurred to you?

JandS

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2024, 08:28:16 am »
My mate had the vaccine then walked out of the centre and got run over and killed crossing the road....bloody vaccines.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Slacky

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2024, 08:41:31 am »
Exactly! Bloody vaccine.

PHILIP HARDY

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2024, 09:07:18 am »
Statiscally 1.2% of the population die annually, (as a total), Which means if you have 1000 custies 12 will die in any one year, A windie with 500 will see 6 off,
According to statistics this figure has barely changed pre or post Covid/Covid jabs.
It's easy to lack objectivity and get carried away with conspiracy theories but Science is Science.
The Stupid Neither Forgive Nor Forget
The Naive Forgive And Forget
The Wise Forgive But Don't Forget

AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2024, 09:40:44 am »
Statiscally 1.2% of the population die annually, (as a total), Which means if you have 1000 custies 12 will die in any one year, A windie with 500 will see 6 off,
According to statistics this figure has barely changed pre or post Covid/Covid jabs.
It's easy to lack objectivity and get carried away with conspiracy theories but Science is Science.

I know. Maybe more so as our demographic skews to older folk.

We all know 'Big Farmers' make good money from medicine but generally they want to provide the best possible solutions to stay in business, beat their competitors and (gasp) help mankind.

Just like we want to clean well, make good money and have happy customers.

On line conspiracy promotors seem to want get attention, monetise their offerings and have followers. Just like crackpot religions  and cults really.

Yet otherwise rational people want the simplest solutions and lack the will, desire or capacity to drill deeper, investigate and be prepared to drop pet theories and beliefs when evidence stacks against them.

It's a game of three halves!

dd

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2024, 09:46:57 am »
Statiscally 1.2% of the population die annually, (as a total), Which means if you have 1000 custies 12 will die in any one year, A windie with 500 will see 6 off,
According to statistics this figure has barely changed pre or post Covid/Covid jabs.
It's easy to lack objectivity and get carried away with conspiracy theories but Science is Science.

I know. Maybe more so as our demographic skews to older folk.

We all know Big Farmers make good money from medicine but generally they want to provide the best possible solutions to stay in business, beat their competitors and (gasp) help mankind.

Just like we want to clean well, make good money and have happy customers.

On line conspiracy promotors seem to want get attention, monetise their offerings and have followers. Just like crackpot religions  and cults really.

Yet otherwise rational people want the simplest solutions and lack the will, desire or capacity to drill deeper, investigate and be prepared to drop pet theories and beliefs when evidence stacks against them.
I think you meant Big Pharma's

AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2024, 09:54:41 am »
Statiscally 1.2% of the population die annually, (as a total), Which means if you have 1000 custies 12 will die in any one year, A windie with 500 will see 6 off,
According to statistics this figure has barely changed pre or post Covid/Covid jabs.
It's easy to lack objectivity and get carried away with conspiracy theories but Science is Science.

I know. Maybe more so as our demographic skews to older folk.

We all know Big Farmers make good money from medicine but generally they want to provide the best possible solutions to stay in business, beat their competitors and (gasp) help mankind.

Just like we want to clean well, make good money and have happy customers.

On line conspiracy promotors seem to want get attention, monetise their offerings and have followers. Just like crackpot religions  and cults really.

Yet otherwise rational people want the simplest solutions and lack the will, desire or capacity to drill deeper, investigate and be prepared to drop pet theories and beliefs when evidence stacks against them.
I think you meant Big Pharma's

It was an attempt at humour.

I've now added speech marks around it por les autres.
It's a game of three halves!

dd

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2024, 11:07:46 am »
Pour les autres

Correction supplied in respect of the French language. Last person you want to upset is a Big French Farmer.

NBwcs

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2024, 11:24:32 am »
Pour les autres

Correction supplied in respect of the French language. Last person you want to upset is a Big French Farmer.


Everything upsets big French farmers!

AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2024, 11:40:20 am »
Pour les autres

Correction supplied in respect of the French language. Last person you want to upset is a Big French Farmer.

Quite right!

Let's be even more precise ... pour encourager les autres.  ;D
It's a game of three halves!

dd

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2024, 12:06:05 pm »
Small French farmers are probably even worse, though you will likely be safe as long as they are not driving a tractor.

simon w

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2024, 03:48:28 pm »
All us Tories were given a harmless placebo, commies, socialists and labour voters were given the real coviddeath vaccine injection.

matthewprice

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2024, 07:02:12 pm »
I have recently been diagnosed with an abnormality on the ecg  . Could have been a bad bout of COVID in the beginning or possibly the vaccines . Who knows for sure . But definitely didn’t have it  before covid .

Splash & dash

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2024, 10:27:46 pm »
I have recently been diagnosed with an abnormality on the ecg  . Could have been a bad bout of COVID in the beginning or possibly the vaccines . Who knows for sure . But definitely didn’t have it  before covid .


Yes a lot are being diagnosed with exactly the same things especially younger ones

Slacky

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2024, 10:56:24 pm »
I have recently been diagnosed with an abnormality on the ecg  . Could have been a bad bout of COVID in the beginning or possibly the vaccines . Who knows for sure . But definitely didn’t have it  before covid .


So as you’ve aged an anomaly has developed in your circulatory system? No poope Sherlock.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Excess deaths
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2024, 11:05:47 pm »
Thread locked.

The original post had relevance to window cleaning but no longer.

It's a game of three halves!