[Ortsa]

Curious

[Smudger]

Don't be

[Smudger]

Just leads to willy waving

And allow others to post bullying  posts about their rates


If your not happy with what you earn put your prices up


Darran

[Mike Halliday]

Lots

My house

[Don Kee]

£8.50 an hour but I think some of my jobs are due a 50p price rise.

[Gringo]

What is your hourly rate then ortsa? Seeing as your asking

[Gringo]

Come on ortsa don't be shy, what's your hourly rate then, just curious

[Jay Le Huray]

I must be over pricing because my average hourly rate  works out about 47p

[H2GoKent]

Not sure you'll get honest or helpful replies on a thread like this, it's the equivalent of walking up to a guy in the street and saying, "How much do you earn then?"

Work out your expenses, include every expense, divide then into an hourly cost, then add on what you want/need to earn.

Increase your prices every year by a minimum of enough to keep up with inflation and rising costs and a bit extra, jobs a goodun!

[Gringo]

Exactly sparkle the people with the cheek to ask so how much you on/earn are never that keen on telling you what they are on or earning, just like OP, came on with a one word post never to reply

[Stoots]

Im not speaking for myself but from what ive read etc over the years i reckon £20 - £60 per hour is achieveable on average depending on area and how compact etc. Huge difference if you have an average price of £5 vs £20

[dazmond]

Curious

My average hourly rate is between £40-£50 an hour.

I'm based in the North West.

[Gringo]

A few replies there for you ortsa, are you going to let us know your hourly rate and we're you are, many thanks

[Rogue Trader]

i make about £15 per hour which is more than i earn in a factory so i well chuffed

[Richard Groves]

Enough.
Sorry if you were hoping for information, you'll just have to remain curious 

[Gringo]

 Certainly a man of few words is old Ortsa a one word post then nothing, he's confirmed my theory though that people who ask about your earnings never talk about there's

[dazmond]

sorry didn't want to be provocative, I make about £20 an hour but thinking of making some changes to by business to try and increase this as I have a feeling its below average. thanks all

i used to earn around £20 an hour in my trad days..i used to think it was good money back then...with wfp my expenses are more esp now with having a decent van,diesel  hot water system, electric reel and decent poles...

what i did was when i switched to WFP i automatically put most of my work up a quid or two because i could now clean the frames and doors to a good standard and clean the awkward windows over connys/extensions,etc

i also started accepting the bigger jobs that would be impossible to clean off ladders on my own,also i noticed the bigger jobs i already had when i was trad started taking a lot less time to clean so i was earning considerably more for less time taken on the job.....

coupled with investing in better equipment over the years,compacting my round with newer work at higher prices (and price rises here and there for existing work)has elevated my hourly rate to what it is today.....its took a fair few years though......

[Richard Groves]

It's below average on here that's for sure 😜
Are you taking your average hourly rate doing 30 min jobs for £20 that after travel , setting up and packing away mean you're earning only that for an hour's  work or charging roughly that per hour ?
My best days and hourly rates are runs of terraced town house fronts at a tenner a pop. With enough of those I can see my rate reach £80 - 100 per hour when I'm really going for it.  But it's not sustainable at that pace for me day in day out or realistic as an average. You've room for improvement though and think you recognised that. With the right motivation, organising of your round and pricing you should be able to at least double your hourly rate. In the real world of the window cleaner outside of this forum I think that would be somewhere near the average.

[NWH]

A good guide is you’re tank size how many litres of water are you using on average a day I don’t mean draining it within an inch of the floor.

[zesty]

Somewhere around £40 an hour as an average on domestic, but commercial is another story, can be £100-150 an hour for commercial Jobs.

Most window cleaners must be on about £40k a year these days, with an average 6 hour day.

[deeege]

Somewhere around £40 an hour as an average on domestic, but commercial is another story, can be £100-150 an hour for commercial Jobs.

Most window cleaners must be on about £40k a year these days, with an average 6 hour day.

Id bet there wasn’t a lot of self assessments showing those figures when filed yesterday.

[zesty]

Somewhere around £40 an hour as an average on domestic, but commercial is another story, can be £100-150 an hour for commercial Jobs.

Most window cleaners must be on about £40k a year these days, with an average 6 hour day.

Id bet there wasn’t a lot of self assessments showing those figures when filed yesterday.

Hopefully people weren’t filing that late mate!

[deeege]

Somewhere around £40 an hour as an average on domestic, but commercial is another story, can be £100-150 an hour for commercial Jobs.

Most window cleaners must be on about £40k a year these days, with an average 6 hour day.

Id bet there wasn’t a lot of self assessments showing those figures when filed yesterday.

Hopefully people weren’t filing that late mate!

I was. Filed at 3pm, paid at 3:30. 9 hours before the deadline, loads of time 😂

[james peters]

silly question and completely  irrelivant,
there will be window cleaners with multi vans working their socks off and struggling , due to having young families and everything on credit
there will be sole traders owning everything , enjoying life , partners with good jobs and thousands in the bank
fortunately im very happy  and wont comment

[NWH]

silly question and completely  irrelivant,
there will be window cleaners with multi vans working their socks off and struggling , due to having young families and everything on credit
there will be sole traders owning everything , enjoying life , partners with good jobs and thousands in the bank
fortunately im very happy  and wont comment

Good to see you learning James 🤣🤣

[zesty]

Somewhere around £40 an hour as an average on domestic, but commercial is another story, can be £100-150 an hour for commercial Jobs.

Most window cleaners must be on about £40k a year these days, with an average 6 hour day.

Id bet there wasn’t a lot of self assessments showing those figures when filed yesterday.

Hopefully people weren’t filing that late mate!

I was. Filed at 3pm, paid at 3:30. 9 hours before the deadline, loads of time 😂

Yikes!

Hope you didn’t have a nasty suprise! Last time I did that, well years and years ago, I could hardly pay the tax bill! I got suprised with the payment on account.

Since then I tend to file not long after April 6th, and keep money back each month to cover the payments in Jan and July.

[deeege]

Somewhere around £40 an hour as an average on domestic, but commercial is another story, can be £100-150 an hour for commercial Jobs.

Most window cleaners must be on about £40k a year these days, with an average 6 hour day.

Id bet there wasn’t a lot of self assessments showing those figures when filed yesterday.

Hopefully people weren’t filing that late mate!

I was. Filed at 3pm, paid at 3:30. 9 hours before the deadline, loads of time 😂

Yikes!

Hope you didn’t have a nasty suprise! Last time I did that, well years and years ago, I could hardly pay the tax bill! I got suprised with the payment on account.

Since then I tend to file not long after April 6th, and keep money back each month to cover the payments in Jan and July.

Same thing happened with me yesterday re payment on account. It’s the first time I’ve had to make a payment on account as all previous tax returns I was mainly paid through dividends as was trading LTD.

I’d put plenty aside to cover it though. Will definitely be getting myself better organised and filing soon after April in the future.

[P @ F]

I didn’t have to pay any tax this year which was nice .
Class 1 and 2 was £400 though 

We survived and got by , my outgoings saved me this time round

[dazmond]

I didn’t have to pay any tax this year which was nice .
Class 1 and 2 was £400 though 

We survived and got by , my outgoings saved me this time round

You must earn less than minimum wage then.....I dont get it mate?....you ve been window cleaning for many years too...
.☹👎

[zesty]

Somewhere around £40 an hour as an average on domestic, but commercial is another story, can be £100-150 an hour for commercial Jobs.

Most window cleaners must be on about £40k a year these days, with an average 6 hour day.

Id bet there wasn’t a lot of self assessments showing those figures when filed yesterday.

Hopefully people weren’t filing that late mate!

I was. Filed at 3pm, paid at 3:30. 9 hours before the deadline, loads of time 😂

Yikes!

Hope you didn’t have a nasty suprise! Last time I did that, well years and years ago, I could hardly pay the tax bill! I got suprised with the payment on account.

Since then I tend to file not long after April 6th, and keep money back each month to cover the payments in Jan and July.

Same thing happened with me yesterday re payment on account. It’s the first time I’ve had to make a payment on account as all previous tax returns I was mainly paid through dividends as was trading LTD.

I’d put plenty aside to cover it though. Will definitely be getting myself better organised and filing soon after April in the future.

It’s always a shock when you first get to the payments on account threshold, yeah mate, defo makes you more organised with the finances!

[zesty]

I didn’t have to pay any tax this year which was nice .
Class 1 and 2 was £400 though 

We survived and got by , my outgoings saved me this time round

Wow rich, guessing you’ve either got a huge amount of tax deductible outgoings, or you just can’t be bothered to clean windows much 

[Steve H]

While we are talking about finances guys, just interested in knowing what your thoughts are on going LTD. 
Im currently a sole trader, but looking to expand, so considering it.
Have any guys out there made the switch and glad they had , or gone back to being a sole trader ?
Not asking about the tax implications as speaking to accountant next week about it, just what people prefer and if its improved your business or just caused you a big headache!
Thanks in advance guys
Steve

[P @ F]

It’s a bit of both really  !
I’m not feeling the love for windows anymore , this coupled with the heater venture is keeping the profits down more than I would like .
The heaters were ready to go but I had a few issues with mine , all my own doing in the line of experimenting .
One of the other ones out there went on as it should for 12 months trouble free , it has now been serviced by the owner with no parts being needed which is a bonus, it just highlighted the fact that the layout of the machine could be more user friendly to the end user .

Work is under way !

[Smudger]

While we are talking about finances guys, just interested in knowing what your thoughts are on going LTD. 
Im currently a sole trader, but looking to expand, so considering it.
Have any guys out there made the switch and glad they had , or gone back to being a sole trader ?
Not asking about the tax implications as speaking to accountant next week about it, just what people prefer and if its improved your business or just caused you a big headache!
Thanks in advance guys
Steve

You can quite happily be sole trader even if vat reg or have staff/employees
Main benefit if ltd is if you go bang or get sued then liability is to the company not your personal property

Tax wise - well that's down to how good your accountant is ( and I mean good - someone who will walk you through options etc... not just heck and sign off ) other than the above the tax man get there bit from you and or the ltd company

Darran

[Steve H]

Thanks for the reply Darran,  do you also think that being Ltd may give you more credibility when it comes to going after those commercial contracts or have people found it hasnt made a difference?

[deeege]

Thanks for the reply Darran,  do you also think that being Ltd may give you more credibility when it comes to going after those commercial contracts or have people found it hasnt made a difference?

It makes no difference unless you are going after NHS or local council tenders (one man bands don’t win these contracts anyway) You can still be self employed and trade as a company name.

[Splash & dash]

Thanks for the reply Darran,  do you also think that being Ltd may give you more credibility when it comes to going after those commercial contracts or have people found it hasnt made a difference?

It makes no difference unless you are going after NHS or local council tenders (one man bands don’t win these contracts anyway) You can still be self employed and trade as a company name.

Generally contracts like that arnt with doing anyway  we used to tender for  them years ago only ever got a couple and regretted getting them we could easily have earnt more doing domestic work , still get tendering applications come through but theses days they go straight into the shredder 😂😂😂

[Smudger]

the only thing that has made large commercial more attactive is being VAT - before then I did get commercial works but had more queries as to them wanting a VAT number and not happy I was not VAT

I have won NHS contracts as both LTD and sole trader - the big thing to remember is these contracts are chosen 90% on price 10% on service and value ( altho in reality its all about the £££ )

Darran

[NWH]

Have you seen the window cleaning on NHS buildings I don’t know who they use most of the time but the last time I was there the place was covered in banana 🍌 skins 🤣🤣🤣,£12.50 an hour monkeys 🐒 everywhere lol it’ll all change one day they’ll want  there windows cleaned properly.

[Mike Burd]

Have you seen the window cleaning on NHS buildings I don’t know who they use most of the time but the last time I was there the place was covered in banana 🍌 skins 🤣🤣🤣,£12.50 an hour monkeys 🐒 everywhere lol it’ll all change one day they’ll want  there windows cleaned properly.

The NHS will never be able to afford hot water.

[deeege]

I used to clean 8  NHS buildings. Had proper money on them and did a proper job, every 8 weeks on them. Was a great contract for the 5 years that it lasted.

Along came Mitie, priced to do the window cleaning along with all the soft FM, waste management, grass cutting etc etc. I was offered the window cleaning back at 1/3 of the price 😁 The buildings look like they havnt been cleaned for the last few years now.

[Smudger]

Aye, when our 3 year contract finished the new bid was less than 1/2 ours - now the windows and glass tunnels look absolute S**t
I think they use wfp attactched to the mains 
Darran

[NWH]

Dreadful they are literally getting stolen from the job they get done on NHS buildings they look like they’ve been cleaned by 8 year olds.