wightsurf

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Re: VIDEO: My first attempt!
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2014, 07:13:03 pm »
Ask on here and try and find someone close to you who can show you how its done. You really need to be shown I think as your time on a property is way above what I would expect from a new WFP person. I have shown quiet a few over the years and its simple to pick up.

Chris - CBWC

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Re: VIDEO: My first attempt!
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2014, 06:27:26 pm »
If them 4 bed houses are like twice the size of your average 4 bed house without a conny then you are taking about 45 mins to long .

An SLX22-25 would be far better as just been another 3ft or so away from the window whilst doing upstairs windows is so much easier buying an extra section to put on your current pole if that is viable .

Brush angle IMO is wrong it needs adjusting by a couple of clicks . As lee said the windows need a good scrubbing not to aggressive just in the middle of aggressive and what you are doing now .

On first cleans give tops of frame a good scrub first then give top of frame a  heavy rinse ensuring water runs clear  then scrub rest of frame and sill .

Then run the brush over a lower part of frame to get the dirt out of the brush then give top of frame another rinse just to be certain all dirt is rinsed away .

Depending on the house i may just do the all the front frames first and side window(s) then start on the glass of first window cleaned scrubbing 1 pane of glass then rinsing then moving onto the next pane of glass then finishing off with running brush over the sill .

As for the hose snagging it is a learning curve which you get the knack off overtime . Mike

So 45 minutes for a 4 bed detached?  I was doing that trad!  I'll get quicker, it's scrubbing and rinsing the filthy frames that's slowing me I think.  Plus I don't think I could be any less efficient with setting up before even starting the clean - pump on, pole and reel out, unwinding hose etc.  How do you guys control the pole when rinsing?  Holding it an inch or two off the glass is not only difficult to see but difficult to do, holding the pole steady and doing it slowly is hard enough but then trying to speed it up, it'll be worse with a longer pole and standing further away from the house!

Crystal-clear

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Re: VIDEO: My first attempt!
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2014, 06:54:31 pm »
cbwc i think u might be over cleaning first cleans can take longer but with experience it aint that long 90 mins for a house is way too long 30 mins 45 mins i mean maintenance clean can really be done within 30 mins with a good flow rate , and no large connys

Crystal-clear

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Re: VIDEO: My first attempt!
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2014, 06:55:06 pm »
turn your flow rate up it will speed u up.

Mike #1

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Re: VIDEO: My first attempt!
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2014, 07:27:39 pm »
If them 4 bed houses are like twice the size of your average 4 bed house without a conny then you are taking about 45 mins to long .

An SLX22-25 would be far better as just been another 3ft or so away from the window whilst doing upstairs windows is so much easier buying an extra section to put on your current pole if that is viable .

Brush angle IMO is wrong it needs adjusting by a couple of clicks . As lee said the windows need a good scrubbing not to aggressive just in the middle of aggressive and what you are doing now .

On first cleans give tops of frame a good scrub first then give top of frame a  heavy rinse ensuring water runs clear  then scrub rest of frame and sill .

Then run the brush over a lower part of frame to get the dirt out of the brush then give top of frame another rinse just to be certain all dirt is rinsed away .

Depending on the house i may just do the all the front frames first and side window(s) then start on the glass of first window cleaned scrubbing 1 pane of glass then rinsing then moving onto the next pane of glass then finishing off with running brush over the sill .

As for the hose snagging it is a learning curve which you get the knack off overtime . Mike

So 45 minutes for a 4 bed detached?  I was doing that trad!  I'll get quicker, it's scrubbing and rinsing the filthy frames that's slowing me I think.  Plus I don't think I could be any less efficient with setting up before even starting the clean - pump on, pole and reel out, unwinding hose etc.  How do you guys control the pole when rinsing?  Holding it an inch or two off the glass is not only difficult to see but difficult to do, holding the pole steady and doing it slowly is hard enough but then trying to speed it up, it'll be worse with a longer pole and standing further away from the house!

The 45 mins i mentioned were in relation to a first clean with WFP not a regular clean, A large 4-5 bed house without conny i would expect to get done in less than 30 mins .

As crystal said turn up your flow rate for now, And possibly fit some 1mm jets .

What size tank do you have out of interest . Mike

Mike #1

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Re: VIDEO: My first attempt!
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2014, 07:35:17 pm »
Yes first clean.  The back is also right by a main road, so the traffic and the storm had left grit all over the bottom frames too.

One thing I did realise, on doing the sills, was that I was going too far to the left and right and catching the bricks and cement, which then got dragged back across the sills as it was stuck to the brush!  So for top, I'll scrub the sill, just keep away from the bricks, and do the same for bottoms or just use an old towel.

I should've videoed me doing the downstairs as well, I found it much trickier with having to do top frames normally, then put pole horizontal to lower frames and scrub the windows, then try and rinse with pole horizontal.


With regards to doing downstairs sills after almost 6yrs wfp i still do a fair amount with old towels as some sills can take ages to get all the muck out ,

You can concentrate more on the lower sills once you get speeded up and you have converted all your round , I found when converting my round a lot of custys liked the lower sills dried off along with a quick wipe over of door mouldings and sill more so if they are coming out to pay you . Mike

Chris - CBWC

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Re: VIDEO: My first (and now second) attempt!
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2014, 08:01:02 pm »
Exactly 8 weeks later I'm back at the same house today to hopefully video the progress I've made!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_JwB-0LVxw

You'll notice I'm over cleaning the tops of the windows, this is because if I only go left to right across the top a couple of times, I'm finding the bristles are leaving droplets behind, and as I'm not rinsing them away (they're right at the top) then they dry spotty.  I find going up and down after the left and right stops this but it's obviously taking more time to do, and round the front, where the sun dried them quicker, there are still a few spots so advice on this is welcome.

I wanted to clean the first windows as if they were filthy first cleans, with the third window done as a regular maintenance clean but ended up doing them pretty much the same.

8weekly

Re: VIDEO: My first (and now second) attempt!
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2014, 09:13:37 pm »
I only watched the first top windows (paint drying), but my observations:

- It looked awkward with the distance you are from the glass and looked like the brushing was too gentle.
- I rarely clean the bit above the actual window frame. That would be full of trapped dirt. If and when I do I scrub harder and longer and I would rinse more.
-I rinse the frame too. Not just the glass.


Chris - CBWC

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Re: VIDEO: My first (and now second) attempt!
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2014, 09:32:27 pm »
Thanks 8weekly, I know about the paint drying, not exactly a riveting watch but needs must!

I use an SLX18 and it's fully extended, that's as far as I can get from the window.  Any closer and it increases the strain on my neck, plus there has been plenty of advice about getting as far from the window as possible.  It doesn't feel awkward, maybe it's the camera angle.

Gentle as in slow, or weak, or both?  If I speed up, my control worsens, like hitting the plastic on the brush against the brickwork, or getting the bristles on the brick, meaning brick dust...  The outer bristles are splayed so the inner ones can scrub and clean too.  I'm trying to hold the pole a little less rigidly and tightly, and press down on the glass a little less as I'm getting pains in my arms and hands very quickly, and I've not been doing this long at all.


>>- I rarely clean the bit above the actual window frame. That would be full of trapped dirt. If and when I do I scrub harder and longer and I would rinse more.

Yea this explains why my first cleans are all taking so long.  I've taken a different (wrong?) definition of "top of the frame" and I'm scrubbing the bit above, where it's filthy on every window, then rinsing it all off, then scrubbing until the water is clear.  If I just did the part of the frame above the glass pane, that faces outwards, I'd be a lot quicker.  I do normally do it as I've described above, I didn't this time as I'd already done it on the clean before and could clearly see how clean the frames still were :)  Which is also why I didn't rinse the frames - I would do this if I could see any dirt on them.

The bottom windows are all good i.e. no spotting at the top of the pane, so it's my technique with the upstairs windows somehow.

8weekly

Re: VIDEO: My first (and now second) attempt!
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2014, 09:43:28 pm »
The control will come. Likewise the strength in shoulders/joints. I still feel you are a long way back, but if it suits you that way....

On a first clean I would scrub everything, but after that just the frame on the opening parts.

If the ground ones are coming good, quite possibly scrubbing pressure is the issue.


Perfect Windows

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Re: VIDEO: My first (and now second) attempt!
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2014, 09:47:02 pm »
In the first video (but less visibly on the second video) oit looked like you were working with your hands above shoulder level.  Try to avoid this if possible.  Your shoulders will thank you for it.

Vin

gary999

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Re: VIDEO: My first (and now second) attempt!
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2014, 10:22:42 pm »
You are new to this so i wouldnt worry too much about your
speed get your technique right one that suits you and the speed
will come especially when you become more confident in the results.

personally i would have the brush on a more shallower angle
you would be able to scrub more smoothly and agressively
maybe a little too far away standing position but if it feels comfortable
carry on.

plenty of rinsing with a good flow and you wont go far wrong,over
time you will be able alter the flow to suit the job and on certain types
of property you will learn that you might only need minimum rinse
or no rinsing at all.

Stay patient and keep cracking on matey and im sure you will get there

Chris - CBWC

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Re: VIDEO: My first (and now second) attempt!
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2014, 08:52:36 pm »
In the first video (but less visibly on the second video) oit looked like you were working with your hands above shoulder level.  Try to avoid this if possible.  Your shoulders will thank you for it.

Vin

I watched myself carefully today, looking out for this.  I'm left handed, so on upstairs windows, I try to keep my left hand as low and as close to my body as possible.  My right arm is extended and is usually at shoulder height, or maybe slightly higher.  There seems to be a balance between pressing down with my right arm to scrub harder, and pressing down with my left arm to counter the base of the pole from moving up because of the pressure on the top of the pole - if you see what I mean?  Seesaw effect, effectively...



personally i would have the brush on a more shallower angle
you would be able to scrub more smoothly and agressively
maybe a little too far away standing position but if it feels comfortable
carry on.

Was standing too close, now standing too far away haha.  Posts higher up on this thread have said to keep as far away from the house as possible, but I only have an SLX18 so I can't get too far anyway.  I adjusted the resi neck so it would hopefully sit flush on the window - when you say narrower, do you mean bend the brush slightly facing downwards or upwards?  If it's not flush, it's more difficult to splay the bristles - I find this on lower downstairs windows where I have to clean sideways and am standing too close to them.


Thanks very much for all your help.  I had a customer (who sacked their previous WFP cleaner to move to me, I was trad then!) come up to me yesterday to remark on how great her windows and frames look, and that her neighbours (plural :) ) had also commented on how great it looked, so it is really, really appreciated that I'm making great progress.

rosskesava

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Re: VIDEO: My first (and now second) attempt!
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2014, 09:38:46 pm »
This may sound a silly point but as you've neck strain already, learn to use the pole with both arms. i.e. left handed and right handed.
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