chris scott

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Where can i find a ?
« on: February 22, 2013, 05:07:20 pm »
 I am on the verge of buying a big machine in case i get a big job .Where can i find a..... 30 lpm water supply. ???
What sort of places have them ? I have only ever used a tap before and a garden hose. ???
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Rob_Mac

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 06:03:00 pm »
A garden hose/domestic supply should give you about 20LPM - or thereabouts. That wont keep up with the machine but once full it will keep you going for longer.

We work from hydrants - they cost, you have to hire the hydrant risers, for the various areas but they keep up with the big machines.

My set up is - machine in the middle of the van, tank by bulkhead, next to the rear doors there is a shelf with two Cox reels and directly underneath them I have just bought and fixed a 100 metre @1inch hose reel.

All set up so that I can fill up from a 15mm supply, and hydrant risers of various sizes.

Rob ;D


Rob_Mac

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 06:04:24 pm »
There is an Alto Contractor on Ebay at the moment - it needs a new pump but could be a good buy!, Not big flow but heat as an option.

Rob ;D

chris scott

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 06:26:16 pm »
So fire hydrants are the only way to feed big machines?
Just had a look on fleabay..i can get the same output as that from my little Honda and hot box.
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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2013, 06:44:14 pm »
can you not get a flatbed trolley  with handle,    place a water tank onto trolley  , very long hose to water source fill up and manover trolley to where needed.  some some good strong trolleys out there., pretty cheap,   all taking extra weight.      ive been thinking how to clean walk ways outside supermarkets,  i can only think of this way without a big van .    from a 650 litre   +, light enough to take when empty.
i havent even cleaned a drive yet and im looking at how to do big jobs. ???

chris scott

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2013, 09:48:40 pm »
can you not get a flatbed trolley  with handle,    place a water tank onto trolley  , very long hose to water source fill up and manover trolley to where needed.  some some good strong trolleys out there., pretty cheap,   all taking extra weight.      ive been thinking how to clean walk ways outside supermarkets,  i can only think of this way without a big van .    from a 650 litre   +, light enough to take when empty.
i havent even cleaned a drive yet and im looking at how to do big jobs. ???
Good idea but the big machines that the lads on the big jobs have, would empty the tank quicker than you could fill it. Then the time saved by using the big machines on the big jobs would be taken up watching the big tank fill...unless we use a fire hydrant.
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Roger Oakley

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 09:49:24 pm »
So fire hydrants are the only way to feed big machines?
Just had a look on fleabay..i can get the same output as that from my little Honda and hot box.
Chris,
No not always, the machine and holding tank that Rob bought from me could just about handle domestic supplies, around 11-18 lts per min down here.
The tank Rob had/has is 1300 lts, so you arrive on site plum in the water first, set-up etc and say after 30 mins from the time you arrive you are ready to go not full but you can get started, if using chems to clean you are going to need dwell time, so why they are dwelling, your tank is filling. Hope this makes sense.

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 09:51:30 pm »
Use a booster pump

Roger Oakley

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 09:54:36 pm »
Use a booster pump
But how do you boost from the supply coming in? if the tap is say 11lts per min how are you going to get more out of it?

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 10:00:59 pm »
So fire hydrants are the only way to feed big machines?
Just had a look on fleabay..i can get the same output as that from my little Honda and hot box.
Chris,
No not always, the machine and holding tank that Rob bought from me could just about handle domestic supplies, around 11-18 lts per min down here.
The tank Rob had/has is 1300 lts, so you arrive on site plum in the water first, set-up etc and say after 30 mins from the time you arrive you are ready to go not full but you can get started, if using chems to clean you are going to need dwell time, so why they are dwelling, your tank is filling. Hope this makes sense.

It would be ok for a short while then we are back to square one ,no water...or am i just being thick? I admit to not being the brightest  but i just can't work out how the big  boys are running 30lpm machines they have.
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Darranvps

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 10:01:55 pm »
We sometimes take our own River...............

Often a stand pipe

And usually suffer no water shortage issues that we cannot overcome

BDCS

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 10:11:26 pm »
Roger you might get 11 ltrs at the tap but only 9 at the end of the hose - the pump pushes the water up the hose and sucks some through the tap, this is how an ro pump works which is used to boost mains pressure.
See also :- water recycling system  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Roger Oakley

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 10:18:38 pm »
So fire hydrants are the only way to feed big machines?
Just had a look on fleabay..i can get the same output as that from my little Honda and hot box.
Chris,
No not always, the machine and holding tank that Rob bought from me could just about handle domestic supplies, around 11-18 lts per min down here.
The tank Rob had/has is 1300 lts, so you arrive on site plum in the water first, set-up etc and say after 30 mins from the time you arrive you are ready to go not full but you can get started, if using chems to clean you are going to need dwell time, so why they are dwelling, your tank is filling. Hope this makes sense.

Okay for a small job . But not if i am working all morning.
You have missed the point, large tanks can do "small" jobs you just have to adjust your working time to filling time, as in wait, also it depends on what your machine output is, but then as a pro you would take all this into consideration wouldn't you?

Roger Oakley

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2013, 10:20:11 pm »
Roger you might get 11 ltrs at the tap but only 9 at the end of the hose - the pump pushes the water up the hose and sucks some through the tap, this is how an ro pump works which is used to boost mains pressure.
See also :- water recycling system  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Okay, get your point.

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2013, 10:23:34 pm »
So fire hydrants are the only way to feed big machines?
Just had a look on fleabay..i can get the same output as that from my little Honda and hot box.
Chris,
No not always, the machine and holding tank that Rob bought from me could just about handle domestic supplies, around 11-18 lts per min down here.
The tank Rob had/has is 1300 lts, so you arrive on site plum in the water first, set-up etc and say after 30 mins from the time you arrive you are ready to go not full but you can get started, if using chems to clean you are going to need dwell time, so why they are dwelling, your tank is filling. Hope this makes sense.

Okay for a small job . But not if i am working all morning.
You have missed the point, large tanks can do "small" jobs you just have to adjust your working time to filling time, as in wait, also it depends on what your machine output is, but then as a pro you would take all this into consideration wouldn't you?
Believe me this IS what i have been considering. I know a pro ..she works our street corner i'll ask her.
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Roger Oakley

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2013, 10:28:31 pm »
So fire hydrants are the only way to feed big machines?
Just had a look on fleabay..i can get the same output as that from my little Honda and hot box.
Chris,
No not always, the machine and holding tank that Rob bought from me could just about handle domestic supplies, around 11-18 lts per min down here.
The tank Rob had/has is 1300 lts, so you arrive on site plum in the water first, set-up etc and say after 30 mins from the time you arrive you are ready to go not full but you can get started, if using chems to clean you are going to need dwell time, so why they are dwelling, your tank is filling. Hope this makes sense.

Okay for a small job . But not if i am working all morning.
You have missed the point, large tanks can do "small" jobs you just have to adjust your working time to filling time, as in wait, also it depends on what your machine output is, but then as a pro you would take all this into consideration wouldn't you?
Believe me this IS what i have been considering. I know a pro ..she works our street corner i'll ask her.
You might as well, don't think you'll get a sensible answer here Chris

chris scott

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2013, 10:38:23 pm »
Thats sorted that out then. ;D
Who was testing the big brute ..what happened did it work?
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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2013, 11:15:58 pm »
Chris, I thought you ran a 15 ltr m/c ? I now run a 21 ltr m/c and some taps don't keep up but by the time you've squeegy'd up, answered the phone, drunk tea and moaned about politics with the customer I usually manage with the supply. I carry 400 ltrs in the vanpack which I can use to top the wheely bin - when I finally build the trailer I will have over 1000 ltrs of water to top the house supply.
If you really want to run a big capacity pump then dump an ibc on site the previous day with a ball valve fitted - that would allow you to appear to be working all morning without stopping.
I enjoy a chat with customers - selling my other services and putting the world to rights.
Filling the jetter - now thats a pain as it uses 400 ltrs in 8 minutes full chat

Kenny83

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2013, 11:40:14 pm »
empty 1000 litre ibc in the back of your van, fill up at hydrants on streets near customers supply...  simples.. takes about 5 mins to fill up using a fire hydrant hose... if your doing domestics you wont need 30lpm so you wont use all your water in half an hour, you could even hook up to their supply and use 15 lpm, then maybe 30 to rinse down.. if your doing big commercials then you will have a hydrant within reach... quite logical really  ;D
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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2013, 11:45:57 pm »
 I do run a 15 lpm machine . It's fine for the work i do. Slower but steady all day on domestic property's . A light weight diesel would be better then the machine,hot box and van could all run on vimto.
I am just taking the p on here really regarding the big flow machines. I have no interest in them at all..too much bother.
If i get large areas i will run two independent 15lpm machines.
A lot of the work i do requires less water and less pressure typically 1200psi @ 10 litre @ 130/140c  due to the delicate nature of the substrate . Especially at this time of the year when pumping stone full of water and then it freezing can cause devastation.
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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2013, 11:52:49 pm »
I have done commercials with 15lpm without any problems, but on the other hand I have never used anything else, although I was thinking about going to 21 litre but want to use diesel so want to find an engine that would cope with 21 litre but wouldnt be to big and bulky, it wou;ld have to be a 2 or 3 cylinder...
I have a couple of small diesels in at the minute if your interested chris? would maybe take yours in PX against one aswel mate?
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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2013, 06:57:37 am »
You will get instances especially on Industrial sites where hydrants are hundreds of meters away, then its not so simple. Recently quoted for blocks 3000m2 hydrant over 500m away, price has to adjusted to reflect this - Due to downtime

I am tempted to go for a larger volume m/c's, however on alot of parks we clean, it would look ridiculous - like a river, waste simply not acceptable to the clients.

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2013, 07:12:18 am »
We run 2 - 20lt/min machines from a twin axle bowser. We never have a problem with the water supply keeping up with our demands, and we usually arrive with only a quarter of a tank.

There is a lot of stop & starting which allows the water supply to catch up, I guess if we stood there and pulled the trigger on both machines without letting go then we would run out of water but this never happens
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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2013, 08:17:30 am »
I have done commercials with 15lpm without any problems, but on the other hand I have never used anything else, although I was thinking about going to 21 litre but want to use diesel so want to find an engine that would cope with 21 litre but wouldnt be to big and bulky, it wou;ld have to be a 2 or 3 cylinder...
I have a couple of small diesels in at the minute if your interested chris? would maybe take yours in PX against one aswel mate?
Kenny cheers for the offer. The diesel ones are too heavy and offer no real advantages to me in terms of performance ...other than fuel consumption. The honda cost £20  a day to run. They are quite,reliable,dont leave oil slicks and you can manoevre them easily.
I only really do grannies patio's so they suit me fine.
A bowser/tank on commercial jobs is the way we go. But around domestic jobs it would mean running pipes across pavements/walkways from the van to the machine/job. That for me is too much of a health and safety issue.

Honda and hosepipe  couple of hundred quid a week ...i'm happy.I'll leave the big guns for the big boys. My willy is big.....
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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2013, 08:27:42 am »


This should handle the big machines..

Darranvps

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2013, 08:34:16 am »


This should handle the big machines..

I'm getting one before Rob does! ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2013, 09:38:26 am »
You can leave the hosepipe filling the tank up constantly all day.
While you are working, the water is still going into the tank.
The level will still go down in the tank, but slowly.
You still will want to stop to move stuff about etc a few times anyway.
You dont lose too much time that way.
You dont have to wait until tank is completely full up each time.

Rob_Mac

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2013, 11:59:54 am »
Chris

The inference in the last statement would be that those that have a bigger set up than you are bragging. You have been offered unbiased assistance, on a question you have posted. It has been looked at from various angles.

Lets look at the statement - I am one of those people that you think are willy waving - I have at least two set ups that will p all over your set up. I think differently to you and because of how you come across on here I would never give you work. Fall on your ar*e, earn your two hundred a week but possibly look a little closer to home as to the reason why (if it is the case) you are where you are.

Why don't you stop being a K**b  - there is no need - all that people are trying to do is help you out.

Rob ;D

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2013, 01:00:27 pm »
Is there a second water source to hook up a 2nd hose into your tank?

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2013, 01:11:53 pm »
Rob it is not aimed at you. You have invested in the correct machinery to do the job properly . Please accept my apology i did not mean to cause you offence. . Cheers chris
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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2013, 02:02:56 pm »
Moving on,,,

In ref to the 'Feed' hose would be interesting to know what size dia you guys use. We have two options 50m* 1" dia or std 'garden' hose (which restricts volume from hydrant).
 Considering using a larger dia flat hose, only drawback I can see is it will need to be fully unwound before you use it (think that makes sense!) any ideas / problems thks

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2013, 02:28:57 pm »
Mike,

Are you having problems with the water keeping up from the hydrant using garden hose?

I only ever use garden hose (1/2") when i use hydrants and i find the flow is more than enough to keep up with my machine.

The large hose does sound like a good idea though, quicker fill times etc.. Although if your close to the hydrant, all that lay flat hose will have to be undone just to get to a hydrant 2 meters away..

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2013, 05:51:39 pm »
Mike,

Are you having problems with the water keeping up from the hydrant using garden hose?

I only ever use garden hose (1/2") when i use hydrants and i find the flow is more than enough to keep up with my machine.

The large hose does sound like a good idea though, quicker fill times etc.. Although if your close to the hydrant, all that lay flat hose will have to be undone just to get to a hydrant 2 meters away..

Yes...  recent jobs hydrants have been a fair distance away over 150m, two m/cs combined flow over 33litres 800ltr tank we had to wait for water. Really need increased hose dia without having huge reels of hoses. Toying with idea of several reels of 50m and 20m 2" flat hoses plus small links, simply combined together as reqd.
Its not a problem whilst cleaning domestic properties as there is a natural break. Large commercials no need for any breaks quick changes from fsc to turbos, machines run constant. Funny enough just arrived in from a quotation another business park hydrants miles away  :( crazy. Might be lucky with this one as we may be able to use internal hyd  ;) find out Monday.

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2013, 06:25:42 pm »
Ahhh ok got it.. Yeah ive been lucky, most of my commercials have had close hydrants, i have all these problems to run into  :-\

Do you have QR's on your fsc/lance so you dont have to stop the machine when you swap them over? i am looking to do this, use one gun and just swap fsc and lance, but because the way the whirlaway is designed, it makes it hard to use a different gun. your using a whirlaway still arent you? or do you only use the mossy?

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2013, 07:05:25 pm »
Ahhh ok got it.. Yeah ive been lucky, most of my commercials have had close hydrants, i have all these problems to run into  :-\

Do you have QR's on your fsc/lance so you dont have to stop the machine when you swap them over? i am looking to do this, use one gun and just swap fsc and lance, but because the way the whirlaway is designed, it makes it hard to use a different gun. your using a whirlaway still arent you? or do you only use the mossy?
Most of the jobs are fine, working for a new client in a local district, seems to be a real lack of hydrants / wash outs crazy.
Yep spigots so quick, straight swap no downtime machine runs constant saves sooo much time, Its a def once u use them u will luv it

 How rude WHIRLAWAY   :-X (I loved it so much I gave it away! albeit it turned out to be knackered sorry!) we only use mossy's... just trying to think how a whirlway is made  ::)roll, from mem handle bolts onto frame! Probably need to make a supporting brkt  ??? Try Lee I know he used to rave about them, but I think he has now been converted to a proper machine  ;D

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2013, 07:43:32 pm »
Just fit this to the end of your hose
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRESSURE-WASHER-HIGH-PRESSURE-3-8-BSP-BALL-VALVE-210-BAR-WHIRL-AWAY-JETTER-STOP-/170919063359?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&hash=item27cb91ef3f
Male quick release on whirl away.  Female on valve. Male on your lance
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Just make sure the quick release are the "3" o ring type.
Use dry silicone spray on them
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The crap does not stick then ..like if you use grease.  ( or vaseline  if you are that way inclined big boy ;D ;D ;D)
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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2013, 08:25:15 pm »
I thought about a valve, but i remember someone coming on here a while ago, saying they used the valve for this exact reason and it just becomes a pain, hard to turn due to the pressure etc..

If it comes to it, ill use the valve, just trying to think of other ways.

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2013, 09:26:05 pm »
Lee Blastaway has a whirlaway aswell, he has set it up so he can use his kew spiggots on it, its good how he's done it, also i think that jaespray does the same who used to come on here
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2013, 10:02:55 pm »
Ill have to get him to take a pic. problem with whirlaway is the gun slides over the handle. so you cant just use any old gun.

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2013, 10:05:36 pm »
Ahhh ok got it.. Yeah ive been lucky, most of my commercials have had close hydrants, i have all these problems to run into  :-\

Do you have QR's on your fsc/lance so you dont have to stop the machine when you swap them over? i am looking to do this, use one gun and just swap fsc and lance, but because the way the whirlaway is designed, it makes it hard to use a different gun. your using a whirlaway still arent you? or do you only use the mossy?
Most of the jobs are fine, working for a new client in a local district, seems to be a real lack of hydrants / wash outs crazy.
Yep spigots so quick, straight swap no downtime machine runs constant saves sooo much time, Its a def once u use them u will luv it

 How rude WHIRLAWAY   :-X (I loved it so much I gave it away! albeit it turned out to be knackered sorry!) we only use mossy's... just trying to think how a whirlway is made  ::)roll, from mem handle bolts onto frame! Probably need to make a supporting brkt  ??? Try Lee I know he used to rave about them, but I think he has now been converted to a proper machine  ;D

Even though it was knackered, still a nice gesture mate. plus now that ive bought a second machine im going to resurrect your whirlaway again so ot still works out alot cheaper than buyi g a new one! Thanks again!

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2013, 10:34:52 pm »
Ill have to get him to take a pic. problem with whirlaway is the gun slides over the handle. so you cant just use any old gun.
Get a fab shop to alter the handle to form a shoe under the male spigot then you'll be able to use a standard trigger

Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2013, 05:53:18 am »
Changing the topic slightly, again... I believe mosmatic now produce a unit which fits ono the whirlaway, replaces the whole 'hub / drive'  ;)

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2013, 07:45:10 am »
At £34  even if they only last a month or two(which i doubt) as i have used them before but as a divert-er(sp) with three ports

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2013, 10:00:06 am »
Changing the topic slightly, again... I believe mosmatic now produce a unit which fits ono the whirlaway, replaces the whole 'hub / drive'  ;)

Yeah ive seen them on mosmatics website. Complete swivel/hub assemblys  that bolt through other fsc. Might be an option if the price is right.

Chris, might have to give that a try. Gonna have a look at the whirlaway today to see if I can rig something up to use a standard gun first though.

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Re: Where can i find a ?
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2013, 04:04:01 pm »
It takes 1 minute to fill each of our 1000L tanks.

Mike we do use the 21" Mozzy mainly now on the 30lpm. It's great, although the others we've got are good on it too but the 18" needs a little spot weld putting on the bar next to the nozzle and I need to put a seal kit in the 24".

This is the 18", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Qqy6yd6go cuts nicely with 2 x 1504's

This is the 24" with rinse bar I made in regards to following John with his. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qqb_5WWslM Although it struggles a little cutting moss as you can see. 3 x 1503's.

Chris, maybe it's time to drop the take the machine off the van on every job image. I've never done that. Ours on the van is mounted side door and 50m hose. Less arsing about. What would you do on a brick cleaning job for a principle contractor? Van mounted reflects well on RAMS too. In our RAMS it states 'refuelling of machinery occurs on board of vehicle due to van mounted system'. Also 'Manual handling is kept to a minimum with pressure washing system as it is van mounted therefore does not need to be lifted on and off the vehicle'.

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« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2013, 04:35:46 pm »
It takes 1 minute to fill each of our 1000L tanks.


Lee what size std pipe are you using  ??? ??? Under our local authority we are restricted to 20mm  / double check valve ??? If you can tell me something different I will be on the phone to them 2mw!

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« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2013, 04:41:47 pm »
Lee,

How haveyou got your whirlaway set up so you dont have to turn the machine off?  How do you mount the standard gun to the whirlaway?

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« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2013, 04:47:14 pm »


Chris, maybe it's time to drop the take the machine off the van on every job image. I've never done that. Ours on the van is mounted side door and 50m hose. Less arsing about. What would you do on a brick cleaning job for a principle contractor? Van mounted reflects well on RAMS too. In our RAMS it states 'refuelling of machinery occurs on board of vehicle due to van mounted system'. Also 'Manual handling is kept to a minimum with pressure washing system as it is van mounted therefore does not need to be lifted on and off the vehicle'.
Most of my work is domestic or inaccessible places.An example http://cleaning-service.uk.com/lune-aquaduct-lancaster/ It is very important to me to be flexible and mobile.The machines we use are light weight (75kgs) and i have fold up wheel chair ramps in all of the vans.
With regards to refueling we use plant nappies  if required, again these are light weight and easily moved.
With regards to health and safety i appreciate there is a need for it ..i worked  on nuclear power plants for years . But sometimes it gets out of hand and whatever method you submit somebody would disagree  with.
As  an example:  Refueling in a confined space... a van . To me this is fraught with danger, storage of fuel next to a hot machine,danger from fumes,danger from slip hazards  ,escape in the event of a fire ..etc.
I am not saying it is the wrong way to do it ,it seems perfectly safe from your point of view hence that is why you use this method. I just used it as an example of how people perceive danger. One mans danger is another mans fun...I kitesurf, race enduro bikes and  smoke crack !!
Regarding example " What would you do on a brick cleaning job for a principle contractor "
This is what i would be thinking.
I am the professional...thats why they have hired me to do the job. Hence they should listen to me .This is what i require from them to make the job easy and this is how i propose to do it.  ;D
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« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2013, 05:59:04 pm »
Lee,

How haveyou got your whirlaway set up so you dont have to turn the machine off?  How do you mount the standard gun to the whirlaway?

I've got a male spigot on the whirlaways mate instead of a trigger. Again John shown me this. We use the ST2600 triggers and just slot on and off.

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« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2013, 06:51:48 pm »
Lee,

How haveyou got your whirlaway set up so you dont have to turn the machine off?  How do you mount the standard gun to the whirlaway?

I've got a male spigot on the whirlaways mate instead of a trigger. Again John shown me this. We use the ST2600 triggers and just slot on and off.

but how does the gun stay put on the whirlaway? Wont it just flop around if the handle isnt attached?

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« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2013, 08:37:40 pm »
The spigot and hose are held in place.


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« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2013, 09:14:10 pm »
Pic aint workin mate.

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