IONICS BRUSH QUESTIONS

« **on:** July 10, 2007, 09:54:22 pm »

Does this brush have monofilament fibres? will it fit a vikan thread, do they have pencil jets?

« **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:01:06 pm »

Yes there mono and i`ve just brought that 1 off of EBAY but not that 1 i hope.There designed to go on there own poles which in reality are no different to the extender range and universal,it`s got the same thread as the vikan brushes.

« **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:03:05 pm »

I just bought one aswell, they went fast last time, so I thought I'll just get it and then if it's wrong I'll sell it on the forum

« **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:05:42 pm »

Don`t worry if you`ve got standard threads on your poles it will fit.

« **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:08:03 pm »

i got one as well do they fit the gardiner pole

« **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:10:11 pm »

Yes they will fit all of Gardiners poles as they have the standard size thread,alex also fits this thread on the end of the G-fit goosenecks and the superlite ones.

« **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:10:22 pm »

yeah. I've got vikan style threads, I've already decided I don't like Vikans!! i also have a Brodex 25ft pro long with a goosneck and fixed Vikan, if this Ionics one is any good, I'll buy another, grind all the plastic off and screw it on the goosneck

« **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:13:55 pm »

You can also buy goosenecks now that will screw on the end of your pole,Alex or essentially pure.

« **Reply #8 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:18:24 pm »

trouble with that is that on my pro long Brodex, they have glued another thread over the standard thread to take the gooseneck, so I will have to get somebody to make me a conversion, If you know anybody that works with metal, especially threads, please tell me, Luke

« **Reply #9 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:22:14 pm »

Buy the thread i mentioned cut the top of your pole and glue the new thread in overnight there you go,your pole will now take any brush and 1 of these screw on goosenecks.

« **Reply #10 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:24:57 pm »

Quote from: Luke Johnson on July 10, 2007, 09:54:22 pm

Does this brush have monofilament fibres? will it fit a vikan thread, do they have pencil jets?

yes
yes
yes

« **Reply #11 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:27:58 pm »

trouble is that goosensck was £124, I didnt pay for it, it was thrown in because of a faulty pole they sent me, they also gave me 15% off my next Brodex order!!

« **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:29:44 pm »

Yes but they are as heavy as lead,if it was me i`d bin it.

« **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:30:17 pm »

yes BUT you are all missing the point Ionic brushes just dont last , we can only make
them last a month or so all the end bristles curl up I know Vikans are heavy but they
are on there second year now and still nearly look the same as when bought!!

« **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:32:32 pm »

or sell it!!!

« **Reply #15 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:34:09 pm »

Sorry there just to heavy,they were not made to be used for WFP there for washing cars.I`d rather replace a brush when needed.

« **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:45:19 pm »

WAT monthly dude like I said I had 4 in five months and one custys said which is ONE too many
co blimey mate that old brush has seen better days can`t you get anything better ,NOW that really
ped me off big time when I had spent £24000 on the rest of the gear . It kind off made it look cheap
if you know wat I mean so sorry do some weights and live with the Vikan till somthing proper comes up EDD

« **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:54:33 pm »

I've had my Ionics brush on for 12 months no proplems, are you storing them properly?

« **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:56:29 pm »

If they curl up just place them in boiling water,when the bristles cool down they should have reshaped thereselves.

« **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2007, 10:59:58 pm »

I think the prob is that using hot water all the time makes the end curl up
But the vikan dont

« **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:00:54 pm »

I've heard this all before.
It is true, Ionics do curl up when dry after a while, but once wet again they're fine. I think V8Edd must have a hot water system and he's 'melting' brushes. Mine go back to normal every time now on 2nd year.

« **Reply #21 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:03:53 pm »

Must admit the guy i know that has the hot system has the same problems,maybe it is the system.

« **Reply #22 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:04:06 pm »

Why are you people buying these brushes for £22 from ebay, they are cheaper from Ionics! Also ask for them to be fitted with commercial jets but remember that these are the brushes for domestic poles so don't expect too much. Saying that, mine have lasted well and they get a hammering!
Rod

« **Reply #23 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:08:45 pm »

How much do you pay from ionics,patrick quoted me much more than that with delivery,vat etc and he didn`t even get back to me.

« **Reply #24 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:12:07 pm »

Regarding "why are you buying these brushes off ebay, instead of off Ionics" and "the brush is old", well that 22 quid included postage, the postage from ionics will be at least 3 quid extra, if not more. The brush pictured is a second hand one, the seller says that the one in the picture is not the one for sale, it is the same brush but new" so there you go, I'm not having an argument about a piece of plastic with hairs on it that I paid a measly 22 quid for, I want to try other brushes, why are so many people so negative

« **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:13:31 pm »

« **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:13:58 pm »

no negative here son

« **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:15:02 pm »

thank goodness Groucho

« **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:15:54 pm »

£13 for what.

« **Reply #29 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:16:02 pm »

oh yeah is that 13 quid the postage from ionics?

« **Reply #30 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:16:50 pm »

wow nwh, we keep on posting similar posts within the space of a few moments!!!

« **Reply #31 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:27:53 pm »

lol ionics price new for said brush is £13 plus vat and postage

« **Reply #32 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:29:46 pm »

They didn`t quote me that.

« **Reply #33 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:42:54 pm »

wat did they quote?

??

« **Reply #34 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:37:22 am »

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ionic-system-reach-wash-water-fed-pole-brush-head-new_W0QQitemZ230151101092QQihZ013QQcategoryZ112579QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

« **Reply #35 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:41:00 am »

just looked in my Ionics brochure, which they sent me the other day, the same brush is 14.50 plus vat and postage. There is also the hastle of giving ionics your crdeit card details and delivery address when instead I can use ebay with all my paypal details ready and the bloke has posted it today!!!

« **Reply #36 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:41:56 am »

Quote from: Luke Johnson on July 10, 2007, 11:12:07 pm

Regarding "why are you buying these brushes off ebay, instead of off Ionics" and "the brush is old", well that 22 quid included postage, the postage from ionics will be at least 3 quid extra, if not more. The brush pictured is a second hand one, the seller says that the one in the picture is not the one for sale, it is the same brush but new" so there you go, I'm not having an argument about a piece of plastic with hairs on it that I paid a measly 22 quid for, I want to try other brushes, why are so many people so negative

I'm not being negative, mearly pointing out that from Ionics they are £14.50 with commercial jets so why pay £22?

« **Reply #37 on:** July 11, 2007, 01:18:24 pm »

Plus 5% off your next order!!

« **Reply #38 on:** July 11, 2007, 05:44:56 pm »

what are the commercial jets, and why wouldnt the one on ebay not have them?

« **Reply #39 on:** July 11, 2007, 05:51:24 pm »

Quote from: Luke Johnson on July 11, 2007, 05:44:56 pm

what are the commercial jets, and why wouldnt the one on ebay not have them?

You get a better directional flow from the commercial jets. They are not standard on these brushes so the ones you are buying will not have them.

« **Reply #40 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:05:24 pm »

so they wouldnt have been standard from ionics either, since this is an ionics brush, or could I have asked them to fit them?

« **Reply #41 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:09:29 pm »

The brush on EBAY is fake.

« **Reply #42 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:13:45 pm »

how can you tell its a fake please tell me as i have just bought one off of ebay

« **Reply #43 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:26:10 pm »

The logo looks as if it`s been sprayed on somehow and it`s not threaded therefore it won`t go straight on a pole,saying that i got mine today and i must say it`s the best mono brush i`ve used it keeps it shape and although i only used it for 10-20mins the 1 i got from cleaning spot lost it`s shape in 5mins and never regained it unless you kept dunking it in boiling water all the time it seemed.I`m lucky as i have an adapter for it that i can stick in the thread end to get over the problem,but all in all it`s a very good brush if he starts selling them with a proper thread i`ll buy some more.

« **Reply #44 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:39:55 pm »

what can i do about the thred then i got the same one and is going on an exell uni pole please help as trying to build own wfp syatem

« **Reply #45 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:03:01 pm »

What on earth is going on??? will this brush fit a Vikan thread or not? it's fake??? why would somebody forge a brush!!!? if it doesnt fit a vikan thread what will I need to convert it?

« **Reply #46 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:17:59 pm »

please reply NWH!!!!

« **Reply #47 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:38:06 pm »

Luke and whoever else has got this brush,it`s simple but you`ll have to say goodbye to a plastic angle adapter.What you need to do is file off the ridges inside the brush so that it`s almost flush with the hole,then apply a good thick layer of superglue inside the brush and then do the same on thread of the angle adapter,give it a really good push into the brush and make sure you line up where you want it before it sets hard it`ll only take 5-10 mins before it`s ready for work.Make sure you line it up straight,your be pulling your hair out if it`s not straight most annoying.

« **Reply #48 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:41:44 pm »

luckily Ive got one spare!!!

« **Reply #49 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:43:13 pm »

so what is the brush like?

« **Reply #50 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:45:51 pm »

If you right handed you might prefer the screw adjuster on the angle adapter on the right hand side,if you set it on the left it`s more awkward to adjust quickly when your working.

« **Reply #51 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:49:37 pm »

wow, you must be telepathic

, I was just holding my angle adpater, as it happened to be next to the computer and I was just thinking that very thing

« **Reply #52 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:49:44 pm »

It`s a very good brush in my opinion and because it`s mono it hold less dirt than it`s flocked brother,with a slightly higher flow rate you shoudn`t need to rinse as much especially on regular cleans.

« **Reply #53 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:59:41 pm »

I have'nt managed to get anybody to answer this one yet. Alot of people say they keep their brushes in pure water between cleans, but how do they manage to pull the pipes of each time, they are really stiff?

« **Reply #54 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:27:14 pm »

The brush pictured will fit a screw thread gooseneck, just push hard as you screw it on.

The one in the picture does not look fake! The Ionics brush pictured is actually a fairly standard off the shelf brush but with their own logo on it.

I never understand anyone having to wash their brushes, I have been using WFP for 6 years and have never cleaned a brush! Unless of course you have picked up a lot of cobwebs or something, mostly the dirt washes off as you scrub the window.

« **Reply #55 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:30:21 pm »

I just run my hand through mine and have never had any trouble,don`t matter how clean the brush is if you don`t know how to use it.

« **Reply #56 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:34:22 pm »

Alex regarding that brush on ebay I have bought, the seller says that it is the same brush but not the one pictured, he says the one pictured isnt used. Now NWH has bought one from the same man, and the thread doesn fit a Geramn d type or Vikan style, so their is something fishy, he also says it seems like the ionics logo is sprayed on.

« **Reply #57 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:36:01 pm »

If in doubt leave it out!

« **Reply #58 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:39:43 pm »

sorry i'm a little thick!!! what does that mean?

« **Reply #59 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:45:02 pm »

Just maybe the guy is making his own brushes up - there were superlight brushes for sale on ebay too. Someone with very low overheads could easily do it and make a bit of money. If you stick with the well known suppliers you know what your getting.

« **Reply #60 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:45:56 pm »

NWH says it is a nice brush though. I'll have to wait and see

« **Reply #61 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:00:05 pm »

It means that if you have any doubts about something then either do not do it or buy it!

A lot of people love them. (not me)

« **Reply #62 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:06:56 pm »

Davew at the end of the day mate 1 example,the bentley brush you can get at tesco for about £2.50-£3.00 all you have to do is use old jets a bit of tubing job done.I got the what i thought was an ionic brush because that type of brush is not available at your local tescos.If the guy on EBAY is selling those bentley brushes for say £13 after jets etc he`s still making at least 100% profit and good luck to him,all i`m saying is that if you go down your local supermarket you can get 3-4 of them brushes for that.

« **Reply #63 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:07:09 pm »

or me !!!vikan looks and works better for us anyway

Plus I can not be doing with old gits telling us our brushes look knackerd

« **Reply #64 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:11:34 pm »

I like the Vikans too but they are just far too heavy. Their days are numbered!!

« **Reply #65 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:12:22 pm »

NWH exactly. Iv'e been looking for the Salmon type brushes Gaz used to make so I can knock up my own. But they are not that easy to source, so sometimes it's less hassle to go straight to Gardiners. Same problem trying to find swivels too.

« **Reply #66 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:13:34 pm »

I find it less hassle to go to Gardiners as well

« **Reply #67 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:14:19 pm »

Well Alex its about time you found us all something better ehh any chance some
umm???

« **Reply #68 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:16:16 pm »

Yeah but if you know where to look Alex.

« **Reply #69 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:25:27 pm »

All these new poles,hot systems to name a couple of things that have changed the way we work yet a good brush is like looking for a needle in a haystack.The brush in my opinion is the most important thing it`s on a par with your water needing to be pure,but the brush major system suppliers are ignoring.We shouldn`t need to be hunting round trying to find better alteratives ie diy,they should be available of the shelve.One of the main reasons is the setup costs in designing a new brush,to have a new mould made up for making a new brush can cost between 5-10,000.

« **Reply #70 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:32:22 am »

Just got my "ionics" brush off ebay. These are the stats

1. it does fit a vikan thread
2.it is a crinkle mono filament
3.it weighs 375 grams
4.it is dual trim, shorter, bristle like hairs in the middle with longer splaying ones around the centre

It seems like a nice brush, but I will give it a try out on my house

« **Reply #71 on:** July 16, 2007, 08:37:40 pm »

Put all ionics brushes in the bin and don't think about them any longer. You will be much happier and fulfilled.

« **Reply #72 on:** July 16, 2007, 08:44:41 pm »

for anyone interested in Brushes, we stock Gazza's brushes, swivels etc so if you are having probs sourcing them get on to us.

We stock all of the Salmon brushes.

« **Reply #73 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:00:48 pm »

Hi JM123

Have you got Gazz's mk1 swivels?

Having used one of Gazz's brushes today I still think the Vikan's are better though- their weight is a problem in some ways but is a advantage in others.

Thanks

Spruce

« **Reply #74 on:** July 16, 2007, 11:45:08 pm »

Hi Spruce

Yes we have the mk1 swivels.

What didn't you like about the brush though?

« **Reply #75 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:15:37 pm »

For anyone wanting to make a rectangular vikan a we bit smaller & lighter just grind or plane all the excess black plastic stock off all way round, makes them better IMO.

tony