[richywilts]

just wondering what a realistic target for one employee to achieve as in the past i think ive pushed for too much, im wanting to keep things simple this time around looking at a start day of 1st september im going to be working in one and employee in other until maybe i can afford a newer van then may look to pair up as workload i have at minute is too much for me i think having one employee is easier option

is 170-180 too low or about right

[Spursboy1972]

£180 to £200 for me. Its not expecting too much because if you do then things get missed and standards dropped

[Scrimble]

is that 180 before lunch?

should be £300+ for a full day,

[Window Lickers]

You have pushed for too much in the past. Realistically if its someone you are employing those figures are pretty good.

If its yourself as a sole trader in time with a half reasonable round you should be pushing for more - £250 - £300.

[richywilts]

i would expect more if my circumstances were different with bigger van and bigger tank, but at the minute i only have two small vans one with 300litre tank and other with 400 litre tank, i just think the best option for me at moment is both go out and hit 170-180 a day work shorter hours better lifestyle and stay motivated.

[Tom-01]

Around about £300 per day. Once you take off expenses it needs to be worthwhile having someone working.

[paul ette]

do you mean 1 man 1 van 300 plus a day??

[Window Lickers]

  I think he does.

[8weekly]

If your prices are good/very good £250 every working day should be a doddle. I know some won't believe that. 

[HampshireWindowCleaning]

Depends wether the new employee has wfp'd before, if they have and they are generally fit then I would have thought £250 a day as a minimum to make it worthwhile, don't forget a second van out doing £50-£60k a year turnover is going to make you vat registered so your going to lose 12% of your turnover from both vans to the vat man on flat rate.

[Window Lickers]

If your prices are good/very good £250 every working day should be a doddle. I know some won't believe that.  

£250 a day is a doddle but that doesn't mean it'll be done every working day.

Its not such a doddle either if its not your money though. Someone who is employed on the cards PAYE earning £8.00 an hour wont have the same motivation as someone who is self employed.

[Mick Kent]

You are best setting a weekly or monthly target and offer a bonus if hit!
Daily takings are always different as weather plays a big part as does messers and other issues where as if you say to clean £1000 in a 5 day week and they do it in 4 days they feel good for having friday off but if weather is poor and they do half day thur and half day fri they will have todo a saturday to make up to make sure they get there bonus.

[supernova77]

just wondering what a realistic target for one employee to achieve as in the past i think ive pushed for too much, im wanting to keep things simple this time around looking at a start day of 1st september im going to be working in one and employee in other until maybe i can afford a newer van then may look to pair up as workload i have at minute is too much for me i think having one employee is easier option

is 170-180 too low or about right

Work out how much the employee will cost you each month - insurances, fuel for the van, equipment wear and tear etc... Divide that into working days - then add a reasonable amount on top for yourself.

Andy

[paul ette]

im tired after 6 hrs poling, think id hit 250 on a good day in 8 hrs, maybe im just lazy

[SeanK]

What ever you can achieve yourself expect the same.

[Window Lickers]

What ever you can achieve yourself expect the same.

Why would someone who is on £8.00 or £9.00 produce the same amount of work as someone whos 'baby' it is?

I wouldnt work as hard or as dedicated or as conscientiously as someone who had more invested in it.

[SeanK]

What ever you can achieve yourself expect the same.

Why would someone who is on £8.00 or £9.00 produce the same amount of work as someone whos 'baby' it is?

I wouldnt work as hard or as dedicated or as conscientiously as someone who had more invested in it.

Because its what your being paid to do, if I can clean 20 properties a day then I would expect my employee to
do the same.
Its none of an employees business what their boss is making, they are hired to do a job at an agreed wage and
to do it well.
If they don't like the terms then don't take the job and give it to somebody who does.
Most employees work a lot harder than their employers and do it for a lot less money.

[Window Lickers]

lol

[richywilts]

the lad is one of my ex employees hes quite a hard working lad who was one of the good ones in regards to standards to be fair if i want to stay under vat threshold and take 4 weeks off it works out 1700 a week turnover so thats 170quid a day each of us which i think we can hit working 9-4 everyday saves me working me nuts off too.im taking it easy for the first year or two and then going to see where i want to take the business

[PoleKing]

lol

+1

[DG Cleaning]

I knew who'd started this before I even looked

[SeanK]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

[G Griffin]

Kiss the badge.

[PoleKing]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

There is absolutely no way that anyone else is going to work as hard for your business as you. Absolutely none.
Remember-you're quite motivated in the grand scheme.
Motivated enough to start your own business.
Most people, which probably includes your employee, aren't.

[p1w1]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

i think the point is if its your business then your going to care about it a lot more and will want it to really exceed then someone who is getting paid £8-9 an hour like you said. you need to give an employee some initiative to want to work harder for you its plain simple window cleaning (boring and mundane) nothing more so if you expect someone to slog there guts out rain, snow or shine for an hourly wage (£8-9) then i reckon your going to go through a few people a year.

[Don Kee]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

not to get involved in your tiff, but on another thread you say your not turning over 25,000 yet...
thats less than £500 a week, less than £100 a day.....assuming you want to work 5 days a week ( apologies if you dont) i wouldn't worry yourself on employing yet buddy...


edit - granted i havent accounted for hols and stuff, but with 4 weeks off a year its around £520 a week (ish)

[richywilts]

don kee was that message aimed at me or sean k ive got plenty of work to do 1700 a week i think

[SeanK]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

not to get involved in your tiff, but on another thread you say your not turning over 25,000 yet...
thats less than £500 a week, less than £100 a day.....assuming you want to work 5 days a week ( apologies if you dont) i wouldn't worry yourself on employing yet buddy...

That's nothing to do with my earning potential its to do with the hours I work and what I wanted from the business.
To be honest employing was the last thing on my mind but due to ill health this year and my round suffering I'm now
considering it.
I honestly have turned away enough work in the last year or so that would employ another guy easily.
I'm old school and believe its a privilege to be employed when so many out there want work and cant
find it.
That's why I expected others would feel the same but you live and learn.

[Mick Kent]

Id expect an employee to clean as many as me too! Its what im paying for if he doesnt the  i find 1 who does! Luckily mine is quicker than me and does more than me.

[PoleKing]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

not to get involved in your tiff, but on another thread you say your not turning over 25,000 yet...
thats less than £500 a week, less than £100 a day.....assuming you want to work 5 days a week ( apologies if you dont) i wouldn't worry yourself on employing yet buddy...

That's nothing to do with my earning potential its to do with the hours I work and what I wanted from the business.
To be honest employing was the last thing on my mind but due to ill health this year and my round suffering I'm now
considering it.
I honestly have turned away enough work in the last year or so that would employ another guy easily.
I'm old school and believe its a privilege to be employed when so many out there want work and cant
find it.
That's why I expected others would feel the same but you live and learn.

That'd be nice mate, but it aint the reality.
Ive lost count of the times I've had lads go out on an easy day-i'd be finished by 2:30 or 3 and come half 5 or 6 they roll back and just go 'sorry' couldn't finish the day.
Sometimes over a hundred quid short of the day's target.
I rang a lad yesterday, he was in the pub. Finished £65 short. And i asked him to do a quote. Just got a 'sorry' gotta be home tonight. Quote was literally 10 minutes out of his way. Made no difference to him. He still took his day rate home.

[G Griffin]

You can expect an employee to do as many jobs as yourself but whether it's achievable is another matter.
If it has to be achieved then standards will probably slip. I think you can expect targets to be hit but don't expect the same effort that you'd put in yourself.  

[SeanK]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

i think the point is if its your business then your going to care about it a lot more and will want it to really exceed then someone who is getting paid £8-9 an hour like you said. you need to give an employee some initiative to want to work harder for you its plain simple window cleaning (boring and mundane) nothing more so if you expect someone to slog there guts out rain, snow or shine for an hourly wage (£8-9) then i reckon your going to go through a few people a year.

£8 or £9 was a figure from Window Lickers I was trying to work out a wage going by my own output (the 20 properties was only
used as an example)
What sort of output would Poleking and yourself expect from an employee.
Cheers.

[PoleKing]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

i think the point is if its your business then your going to care about it a lot more and will want it to really exceed then someone who is getting paid £8-9 an hour like you said. you need to give an employee some initiative to want to work harder for you its plain simple window cleaning (boring and mundane) nothing more so if you expect someone to slog there guts out rain, snow or shine for an hourly wage (£8-9) then i reckon your going to go through a few people a year.

£8 or £9 was a figure from Window Lickers I was trying to work out a wage going by my own output (the 20 properties was only
used as an example)
What sort of output would Poleking and yourself expect from an employee.
Cheers.

what do you mean 'output'?

[8weekly]

Id expect an employee to clean as many as me too! Its what im paying for if he doesnt the  i find 1 who does! Luckily mine is quicker than me and does more than me.

I agree with Mick.. getting to be a habit.

[Don Kee]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

not to get involved in your tiff, but on another thread you say your not turning over 25,000 yet...
thats less than £500 a week, less than £100 a day.....assuming you want to work 5 days a week ( apologies if you dont) i wouldn't worry yourself on employing yet buddy...

That's nothing to do with my earning potential its to do with the hours I work and what I wanted from the business.
To be honest employing was the last thing on my mind but due to ill health this year and my round suffering I'm now
considering it.
I honestly have turned away enough work in the last year or so that would employ another guy easily.
I'm old school and believe its a privilege to be employed when so many out there want work and cant
find it.
That's why I expected others would feel the same but you live and learn.

Fair play mate, and all the best with the health

Unfortunately though, i have to agree that an employee wont hit (regularly) what you hit a day unless you lower the targets
I think the OP targets are about bang on imo, easy enough days that the worker wont resent the job, good amount of turnover, and can consistantly hit the target

[Don Kee]

don kee was that message aimed at me or sean k ive got plenty of work to do 1700 a week i think

Keep your knickers on tiger, i actually think your daily targets in your original post are about right mate

[SeanK]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

i think the point is if its your business then your going to care about it a lot more and will want it to really exceed then someone who is getting paid £8-9 an hour like you said. you need to give an employee some initiative to want to work harder for you its plain simple window cleaning (boring and mundane) nothing more so if you expect someone to slog there guts out rain, snow or shine for an hourly wage (£8-9) then i reckon your going to go through a few people a year.

£8 or £9 was a figure from Window Lickers I was trying to work out a wage going by my own output (the 20 properties was only
used as an example)
What sort of output would Poleking and yourself expect from an employee.
Cheers.

what do you mean 'output'?


Lets say you could clean 20 £15 properties in a day not killing yourself what would you expect from your employee
as a realistic target ?
Cheers.

[Scrimble]

That'd be nice mate, but it aint the reality.
Ive lost count of the times I've had lads go out on an easy day-i'd be finished by 2:30 or 3 and come half 5 or 6 they roll back and just go 'sorry' couldn't finish the day.
Sometimes over a hundred quid short of the day's target.
I rang a lad yesterday, he was in the pub. Finished £65 short. And i asked him to do a quote. Just got a 'sorry' gotta be home tonight. Quote was literally 10 minutes out of his way. Made no difference to him. He still took his day rate home.

as a boss you dont ask your employee you tell your employee,

put a tracker in the van and you will see that your employee is mugging you off

[PoleKing]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

i think the point is if its your business then your going to care about it a lot more and will want it to really exceed then someone who is getting paid £8-9 an hour like you said. you need to give an employee some initiative to want to work harder for you its plain simple window cleaning (boring and mundane) nothing more so if you expect someone to slog there guts out rain, snow or shine for an hourly wage (£8-9) then i reckon your going to go through a few people a year.

£8 or £9 was a figure from Window Lickers I was trying to work out a wage going by my own output (the 20 properties was only
used as an example)
What sort of output would Poleking and yourself expect from an employee.
Cheers.

what do you mean 'output'?


Lets say you could clean 20 £15 properties in a day not killing yourself what would you expect from your employee
as a realistic target ?
Cheers.

A realistic expectation, imo, would be ¾ of what you could earn yourself. +/- 10%

[Mick Kent]

Id expect the same or more as its what im paying them for. Maybe the guys on here employ oap's that are slow and not fit for the job in hand?? Or employ drunks or puff heads??

[Mick Kent]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

i think the point is if its your business then your going to care about it a lot more and will want it to really exceed then someone who is getting paid £8-9 an hour like you said. you need to give an employee some initiative to want to work harder for you its plain simple window cleaning (boring and mundane) nothing more so if you expect someone to slog there guts out rain, snow or shine for an hourly wage (£8-9) then i reckon your going to go through a few people a year.

£8 or £9 was a figure from Window Lickers I was trying to work out a wage going by my own output (the 20 properties was only
used as an example)
What sort of output would Poleking and yourself expect from an employee.
Cheers.

what do you mean 'output'?


Lets say you could clean 20 £15 properties in a day not killing yourself what would you expect from your employee
as a realistic target ?
Cheers.

A realistic expectation, imo, would be ¾ of what you could earn yourself. +/- 10%

Are you emoying a 60 pluser??
Get real mate its window cleaning and a target is a target. I clean 25-35 a day and so does my other van! I usualy do less 1, because im the boss and 2 he is much fitter than me.
If someone wants the job to provide for there family or whatever then they will work hard to do so to keep there job so they can pay there bills and support there family.

[PoleKing]

lol

+1

You have lost me on this one, I'm planning to employ in the near future are you telling me I should expect
to take someone on who couldn't care less because its not their baby.
Are you telling me they should wattle along at their leisure knocking out 10 to 15 properties while I knock out 20 ?
Are you telling me if they are doing 50% of the work then they should be getting 50% of the profits ?
When I was an employee my job paid my bills so it was in my interest also that the company succeeded it didn't matter
what the boss was earning.

i think the point is if its your business then your going to care about it a lot more and will want it to really exceed then someone who is getting paid £8-9 an hour like you said. you need to give an employee some initiative to want to work harder for you its plain simple window cleaning (boring and mundane) nothing more so if you expect someone to slog there guts out rain, snow or shine for an hourly wage (£8-9) then i reckon your going to go through a few people a year.

£8 or £9 was a figure from Window Lickers I was trying to work out a wage going by my own output (the 20 properties was only
used as an example)
What sort of output would Poleking and yourself expect from an employee.
Cheers.

what do you mean 'output'?


Lets say you could clean 20 £15 properties in a day not killing yourself what would you expect from your employee
as a realistic target ?
Cheers.

A realistic expectation, imo, would be ¾ of what you could earn yourself. +/- 10%

Are you emoying a 60 pluser??
Get real mate its window cleaning and a target is a target. I clean 25-35 a day and so does my other van! I usualy do less 1, because im the boss and 2 he is much fitter than me.
If someone wants the job to provide for there family or whatever then they will work hard to do so to keep there job so they can pay there bills and support there family.

No mate.
If you've found someone who works like that-fair play to you.
They're rare though.
Realistically, what I've posted is what i think the majority will find. There will be exceptions.

[G Griffin]

Sometimes less is more.

[Window Lickers]

if they work that well they'll be the competition before the end of the year.

[Mick Kent]

If they end up competition then they end up competition! Thats life however it isnt that easy to just become competition!! They need a round first and whilst they work for me they wont have time to build a round and even if they do Ill just employ someone else who wants a job.
All i know is that i wouldnt employ no loser who cant hack a days work that he is being paid for! I havnt found 1 yet who cant clean the same days work as me but as said i dont look for old or unfit guys i try and find good ones.

[Frankybadboy]

and there was me thinking you was all one man bands

[Window Lickers]

If they end up competition then they end up competition! Thats life however it isnt that easy to just become competition!! They need a round first and whilst they work for me they wont have time to build a round and even if they do Ill just employ someone else who wants a job.
All i know is that i wouldnt employ no loser who cant hack a days work that he is being paid for! I havnt found 1 yet who cant clean the same days work as me but as said i dont look for old or unfit guys i try and find good ones.

Mick if theyre as good as you say constructing their own round will be a piece of cake to them.

[Window Lickers]

and there was me thinking you was all one man bands

    

[G Griffin]

i dont look for old or unfit guys i try and find good ones.

Try and stay on topic.

[Mick Kent]

 

[richywilts]

don kee was that message aimed at me or sean k ive got plenty of work to do 1700 a week i think

Keep your knickers on tiger, i actually think your daily targets in your original post are about right mate

i wasnt having a go haha i was confused didnt know who it was aimed at

[AuRavelling79]

£200 on a dry day is fine on my bread and butter work.

[richywilts]

yes 200 is acheiveable i think but im trying to work shorter hours myself this time round and i really dont want the stress of needing employees hitting large figures id just like to be done with my day in work at say 4-4.30pm

[Clever Forum Name]

3 pages in and no £500 heroes using a Harris pole and a Volvo estate. I am
Disappoint.

[groundhog]

3 pages in and no £500 heroes using a Harris pole and a Volvo estate. I am
Disappoint.

I've done that working out of a ford focus with a 250ltr tank.

[AuRavelling79]

3 pages in and no £500 heroes using a Harris pole and a Volvo estate. I am
Disappoint.

I've done that working out of a ford focus with a 250ltr tank.

I've done that out of a Reliant Robin with a backpack.

[Ian101]

My advice is to look at it weekly.

however too many variables to put a value on it.

if you had 200 houses all on 1 road at £10 a pop then £2000 a week is achievable ......... if you have 200 houses spread over a 5 mile radius then £2000 a week wont happen.

only you know your work and what is possible

if I were you I would agree a weekly target with the employee and tell him if it takes 4 days then fine if it takes 6 days then he has got to work a Saturday ........ assuming its a fair target ,,,, like I say only you will know that

but Richy ................................................ you know all this already  

[groundhog]

3 pages in and no £500 heroes using a Harris pole and a Volvo estate. I am
Disappoint.

I've done that working out of a ford focus with a 250ltr tank.

Show off!! Only difference is, I wasn't joking! I really have done it, and with my Harris pole too!
I've done that out of a Reliant Robin with a backpack.

[Soupy]

I wouldnt work as hard or as dedicated or as conscientiously as someone who had more invested in it.

You wouldn't but others do.

I couldn't keep up with anybody I employ. I'm old, fat and slow though.

[Window Lickers]

I wouldnt work as hard or as dedicated or as conscientiously as someone who had more invested in it.

You wouldn't but others do.

I couldn't keep up with anybody I employ. I'm old, fat and slow though.

Not a very good example really then 'ay fatty  

[Clever Forum Name]

I have been working with a chap who we sub work to recently.

He has been WC for about a 7 months.

He works a lot quicker than me as it's not "his"
Work. We get no complaints though.

So remember they may not work as hard. But I bet they will get through more work as they won't stop and chat or be OCD on cleaning.

[geoffreyspecht]

just wondering what a realistic target for one employee to achieve as in the past i think ive pushed for too much, im wanting to keep things simple this time around looking at a start day of 1st september im going to be working in one and employee in other until maybe i can afford a newer van then may look to pair up as workload i have at minute is too much for me i think having one employee is easier option

is 170-180 too low or about right

Work out how much the employee will cost you each month - insurances, fuel for the van, equipment wear and tear etc... Divide that into working days - then add a reasonable amount on top for yourself.

Andy