drive surgeon

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diesel stain out of indian stone
« on: June 22, 2011, 09:56:26 pm »
anyone removed diesel leak stains from indian stone?  

Blast Away

Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 10:10:57 pm »
Tried several times, no chance of complete removal.

drive surgeon

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 10:14:46 pm »
i thought so mate, i tried with resiblock "or" and had no success. its a pain!  is there nothing that can shift diesel?

Blast Away

Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 10:18:57 pm »
It's penetrated the surface mate. Tried allsorts. Hot wash, all kinds of degreasers

drive surgeon

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 10:21:17 pm »
oh well, if anyone comes up with a solution we will have to post it but i cant see it once its soaked in.


Denise l

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2011, 05:27:56 am »
I,ve got Indian stone in my kitchen and if I drop eg. cooking oil on the stone it stains. Even though they were all sealed to begin with and I re-seal them on a regular basis. However, because the stone is natural it absorbs everything and then it just disappears (evaporates) over time.

You could try re-sealing or use the stone oil to match the stain. You wont wash it out.

Denise

Kev Martin

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2011, 06:26:34 am »
I,ve got Indian stone in my kitchen and if I drop eg. cooking oil on the stone it stains. Even though they were all sealed to begin with and I re-seal them on a regular basis. However, because the stone is natural it absorbs everything and then it just disappears (evaporates) over time.

You could try re-sealing or use the stone oil to match the stain. You wont wash it out.

Denise

Denise

Next time you seal it use Aqua Mix Sealers Choice Gold and allow 24 hours between coats

Kev Martin
Marble Life ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics

Kev Martin

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2011, 06:27:12 am »
I,ve got Indian stone in my kitchen and if I drop eg. cooking oil on the stone it stains. Even though they were all sealed to begin with and I re-seal them on a regular basis. However, because the stone is natural it absorbs everything and then it just disappears (evaporates) over time.

You could try re-sealing or use the stone oil to match the stain. You wont wash it out.

Denise

Denise

Next time you seal it use Aqua Mix Sealers Choice Gold and allow 24 hours between coats

Kev Martin
Marble Life ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics

Kev Martin

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2011, 06:33:13 am »
anyone removed diesel leak stains from indian stone?  

You will always struggle to get it out especially if it's not well sealed with a premium sealer.  I have got a lot out using the following method

1.  Apply Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover and allow to dwell for 10 minutes.
2.  Apply Aqua mix Heavy Duty Tile & Grout Cleaner and allow to dwell  Ensure yo keep product wet by agitating.
3.  Vac of solution and then rinse again with boiling water and vac again.
4.  In really bad cases I have applied a poultice to draw more out.

The important thing when this is done talk the customer into a good quality premium penetrating sealer.  It doesn't prevent further spills or leaks but it makes our job a lot easier

KevMartin
Marble Life Ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
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Rob_Mac

Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2011, 11:41:26 am »
We have an ongoing commitment with Trinity Walk shopping centre - Wakefield and have just completed (last night) just over 5000sqm of Indian Sandstone & granite.

We have succesfully dealt with most of the problems but there is sub surface staining. I am taking advice from Kevin and he will be assisting us with the sealing option, as soon as I get confirmation. The shopping centre management are now wanting the stone sealed but understand that the damage is already done.

I have had a discussion with Richard Turk at Tensid and I am getting a bio oil degreaser sample to offer the client. Both from Kevin & Richard - this may or may not improve our problems.

I didn't know about sandstone till a week ago but would say that I didn't need to know as I have had exceptional support, primarily from Kevin and we have secured an ongoing relationship with the client.

Kevin knows his stuff, offers his advice freely and makes himself available.

Rob ;D

jaespray

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2011, 11:55:07 am »
We have an ongoing commitment with Trinity Walk shopping centre - Wakefield and have just completed (last night) just over 5000sqm of Indian Sandstone & granite.

We have succesfully dealt with most of the problems but there is sub surface staining. I am taking advice from Kevin and he will be assisting us with the sealing option, as soon as I get confirmation. The shopping centre management are now wanting the stone sealed but understand that the damage is already done.

I have had a discussion with Richard Turk at Tensid and I am getting a bio oil degreaser sample to offer the client. Both from Kevin & Richard - this may or may not improve our problems.

I didn't know about sandstone till a week ago but would say that I didn't need to know as I have had exceptional support, primarily from Kevin and we have secured an ongoing relationship with the client.

Kevin knows his stuff, offers his advice freely and makes himself available.

Rob ;D

well done rob & all involved
regards john

Rob_Mac

Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2011, 12:02:53 pm »
Jae

 ;)

It isn't just the uneducated that are making the mistake of not sealing sandstone. Marshalls the suppliers are still of the opinion that the stone does not need to be sealed, even though their advice is now costing the client and will continue to cost them moving forward.

If you could see the list of people that are now involved in any communication that I have with the project it goes right up to large companies and architects and developers of shopping centres.

I am struggling to understand how all of these people never raised any objections with about 200 - 300 000 of footfall per week (estimate). Incredible!

Rob ;D

jaespray

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2011, 12:33:48 pm »
hi rob   i expect at the beginning they had the cheek to ask for your "qualifications"
when all it takes is research understanding & commonsense
regards john

Alan McTernan

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2011, 02:05:51 pm »
Just a quick question with regards to sealing?

As we had to strip a swimming pool surround last year that was sealed honed indian sand was like an ice rink when wet!!

So in a situation like this what would be the ideal sealer?

Cheers
Alan ;)

Matt Gibson

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2011, 04:13:54 pm »
Just a quick question with regards to sealing?

As we had to strip a swimming pool surround last year that was sealed honed indian sand was like an ice rink when wet!!

So in a situation like this what would be the ideal sealer?

Cheers
Alan ;)



In my opinion, any penetrating sealer would be appropriate.

Alan McTernan

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2011, 06:11:43 pm »
Hi Matt,

I was more after a sealer that people may recommend ;)

Regards
Alan

Kev Martin

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2011, 09:41:38 am »
Just a quick question with regards to sealing?

As we had to strip a swimming pool surround last year that was sealed honed indian sand was like an ice rink when wet!!

So in a situation like this what would be the ideal sealer?

Cheers
Alan ;)

Alan

This reply is not intended to teach people "How to suck eggs" I apologise in advance if it reads like that.I am going to answer this in a  slightly long convoluted way in the hope that you get a reply and the information helps other members and guests.   

The subject of Slipping and Slip Testing is a whole field in itself.  I am going to try and answer this as comprehensively as I can without having seen the stone or knowing what it was sealed with.
 
Any stone or surface has a CoF Slip Factor (A point where it becomes slippery for ease of reference).
The slip factor changes when surface tension is altered (changing the surface).

There are several ways of altering the surface tension of which the most common are:

1.  Changing from Dry to Wet
2.  Different footwear or tread
3.  Incorrect cleaning regime
4.  Incorrect application of sealers, wrong sealers, or failure to clean sealer off correctly.
5.  Actually altering the surface by mechanical or chemical methods.

This list is by no means exhaustive but I think I have covered the common ones.

1.  Dry to wet is obvious for most people but usually the most radical.  Contrary to popular belief a shiny highly polished tile (Marble for example) has a very high slip resistance when dry.  Now wet the surface and it goes right to the other end of the scale and becomes almost lethal. (I must point out at this juncture that the factor does vary depending on footwear but I am generalizing).  So someone running round a swimming pool with a dry surface and dry feet has excellent grip now wet the area and the feet and the situation reverses.

2   Different footwear! (Let two people play football on grass one with studded boots and one with plimsoles the guy with the studs on has the best grip.  Now they run across the tarmac to the changing room the tables are reversed.)
3.  Incorrect cleaning this is the one that affects most members after all this is the CIU Forum.  We have a lady who cleans her kitchen floor and uses far too much detergent then fails to rinse correctly.  The original slip factor changes because there is a residue of detergent left in the pores or on the surface so the slip factor changes and the floor becomes dirtier much quicker the second time because the residue of detergent now attracts dirt more quickly.
4.  Wrong sealers or incorrect application or failing to clean off the excess.  This is fairly obvious to most professionals on here i.e. Topical where penetrating should have been used or vice versa.  I could write a book on this so I am not going to bore you.
5.  Now to Alan's pool problem this could be a combination of some or all the factors above or it could just be that the wrong stone was laid in the first place or the surface of the stone was wrong perhaps it was not honed enough.

Always remember this:   "There is no such thing as a non slip surface or tile"  There are only ways of improving the slip factor where possible such as public buildings with a good quality Porcelain Riven Tile but then always other  factors come into play such as our footballer with studded boots above.

Alan essentially you need to look at all the information above then let me have all the factors and I will be able to give you an informed answer.

I hope this helps and that I haven't bored too many of you.

Kind Regards

Kev Martin
Marble Life Ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
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Kev Martin

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2011, 12:49:41 pm »
Billy

When you coming up for your products?  Mind you have they finished building the roads yet in your area ::) ::) ::)

Kev Martin
Marble Life Ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics

Denise l

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2011, 01:25:36 pm »
I,ve got Indian stone in my kitchen and if I drop eg. cooking oil on the stone it stains. Even though they were all sealed to begin with and I re-seal them on a regular basis. However, because the stone is natural it absorbs everything and then it just disappears (evaporates) over time.

You could try re-sealing or use the stone oil to match the stain. You wont wash it out.

Denise

Denise

Next time you seal it use Aqua Mix Sealers Choice Gold and allow 24 hours between coats

Kev Martin
Marble Life ltd

Hi Kevin, I,ve been using the Fila products from Mandarin Stone. Is this no good?

Denise

Billy Russell

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2011, 01:27:40 pm »
How dare you Mr Martin! Nothing wrong with are roads down here, if you drive a tractor!!!!!!!!!  ;D

Kev Martin

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2011, 04:24:54 pm »
I,ve got Indian stone in my kitchen and if I drop eg. cooking oil on the stone it stains. Even though they were all sealed to begin with and I re-seal them on a regular basis. However, because the stone is natural it absorbs everything and then it just disappears (evaporates) over time.

You could try re-sealing or use the stone oil to match the stain. You wont wash it out.

Denise

Denise

Next time you seal it use Aqua Mix Sealers Choice Gold and allow 24 hours between coats

Kev Martin
Marble Life ltd

Hi Kevin, I,ve been using the Fila products from Mandarin Stone. Is this no good?

Denise


Denise

In short "Any sealer is better than no sealer"  We probably use more sealer than anyone in the UK and through continuous testing and trying every other product we have found that nothing measures up to Aqua Mix for ease of application and performance.  Hence the reason I recommended Aqua Mix Sealers Choice Gold.  It is water based, does not change the appearance, easy to apply and has no smell.

Kev Martin
Marble Life Ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics

Alan McTernan

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2011, 07:17:03 pm »
Thanks for that Kevin!!!

Great advice/knowledge as always

I will print that off for reference ;)

Regards
Alan

Denise l

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2011, 08:32:04 am »
Hi Kevin,

Where can I buy this Aqua Sealer, online?

D

Kev Martin

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Re: diesel stain out of indian stone
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2011, 01:18:21 pm »
Denise

We sell it on e bay, amazon, our web site in my signature block allforstone or you can ring us on Monday on 0121 705 5333 and open a trade account with us if you are purchasing on a regular basis.

Kev Martin
Marble Life Ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics