Transfer pump

« **on:** January 08, 2006, 07:09:39 pm »

Is there any transfer pumps on the market which are as fast if not faster than a mains water supply

« **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2006, 07:33:08 pm »

Quote from: david@ St-Ives on January 08, 2006, 07:09:39 pm

Is there any transfer pumps on the market which are as fast if not faster than a mains water supply

Dave whats it for,explain a little and i`ll do some searching,Gaz

« **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2006, 07:38:08 pm »

Dave,do you mean something like this?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-SIP-EP2M-Cast-Iron-Water-Pump-With-45M-Pump-Head_W0QQitemZ7734674425QQcategoryZ93636QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
If not im still searching,Gaz

« **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2006, 07:38:43 pm »

Well i am di only at the moment and it takes 1+1/2 hours to fill my van at night ,we are on realy bad mains pressue.

So i was thinking of getting a ro so it can be doing its business while i am at work then pump from the holding tank to the van ,hopefully quicker than my outside tap

Dave

« **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2006, 07:40:45 pm »

Gaz

probably as long as it has got a faster flow rate than my tap

« **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2006, 07:44:45 pm »

I recon anybooster pump will be better than main tap pressure
heres another
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/water-pump_W0QQitemZ7736138199QQcategoryZ93636QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Gaz

« **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2006, 08:06:48 pm »

I have a 1000ltr ibc tank in the garage Dave. Where I store my RO water.
I have a submersiable pump that lives in the IBC tank. I bought it brand new deleiverd on Ebay for £20.00. Their for sale every day on Ebay.

I connected a 20 mtr 1" hose to the pump. and I can fill my 800ltr tank in the van in 11mins. If you were to buy a 1 1/2" hose it will fill even quicker.

Tank cost me £30.00, used once. £20.00 pump, Hose £25.00.

Go for it Dave.

Nel.

« **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2006, 08:10:50 pm »

Why not try silverline 400w submersible pump £16.80 +VAT 150 liters per min 6 meter head

Or 500w sub pump£19.32 +VAT 200 liters min with same head

« **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2006, 08:48:51 pm »

The speed at which it fills your tanks also depends alot on how close to the pump you can get
My holding tanks are around 30mts away and on a slight hill about a 12ft climb

allthough the pumps are capable of pumping 15000lts per hour its still takin over an hour to fill 400lts.

Thats two pumps with two normal garden hose, I think it might work faster with larger bore hose I might give this a try!

« **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2006, 09:19:56 pm »

Hi
I use a "screw fix " sump pump about £35 from holding to van about 20 mtrs moves 500 ltrs in about 5 minutes. used this system for about 2 years now connect pump to 1" hose (type used for garden ponds) works a treat...

Alan

« **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2006, 11:15:31 pm »

same for me. pond pump. inline . tidy and made for the job. they do what they say on the box.. i do hav a cheap sump pump for a spare tho. a spare is important. a days work cost more than a pump.

« **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2006, 01:19:42 pm »

I've a submersible pump in my static IBC tank, fills up my 650l tank in roughly 10 mins.
Has to pump the water 45m through a 1 inch hose, its a 125l per min pump.

Gardinerpoles do them for a very respectable price....a bloody sight cheaper than the place I got mine from too

I won't name the company, but they are a major player in WFP and I feel really ripped off over it

The identical pump as Gardinerpoles sell (to look at anyway) and twice the price.

Ian

« **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2006, 03:25:55 pm »

got submersible pump from clarkes cost£45.00 and lives in my 1000ltr tank in the garage and fills my 650ltr tank in the van in about 10 mins from empty.
got a petrol pump gun on end of hose, 10metres of hose and pressure cut out. nice tidy and convenient

« **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2006, 03:31:18 pm »

does anyone know if most of the transfer pumps have a pressure switch?? Interested in getting one and putting a fuel gun on the end of it like you have done Mr Genesis-Windows sir

« **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2006, 03:56:13 pm »

cant remember the name of the company i got the gun from but most pump supply specialists should be able to help.
costs about a tenner.
got any probs sourcing one drop me a line and ill drive past the place and see what i can do
Russell
genesis_window_specialist@yahoo.co.uk

« **Reply #15 on:** January 09, 2006, 04:00:23 pm »

I don`t think Dave is actually looking for a transfer pump,i think he`s looking for a mains pressure booster pump,am i right Dave?,Gaz

« **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2006, 04:56:27 pm »

I think that Dave is after a booster pump. My water pressure is very low and I also need a booster pump. Does anyone know where to pick 1 up cheap?

Steve

« **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2006, 05:07:36 pm »

Transfer

As i will get an ibc filling up in the day and pump to car in evening .

Got to be faster than my 1+1/2 hours to fill 650litre from the tap

« **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2006, 05:11:23 pm »

The pressure from my tap is just under 50psi. You could imagine how long it take takes to fill a 25l container. So like I said, I need a booster pump of some type. If anyone could help. Please

Steve

« **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2006, 07:49:12 pm »

If anyone knows where I can get a switch off valve, stroke petrol gun for a 1" hose i would be most gratefull. cant find one anywhere.

Nel.

« **Reply #20 on:** January 09, 2006, 08:33:01 pm »

Yep David Seagull usually knows what he's asking for.

A transfer pump: to send water from a holding container to another container/tank.

A booster pump: to increase the pressure from your mains feed into whatever filtration system you are using.

NB: The Water Company will seriously want to know if you install a booster pump without the proper non-return systems in place.

The easiest way to use a booster pump is to fill a holding tank (1,000-2,500 litre) with tap water, then install a booster pump from the holding tank to your filtration system = increased psi to filtering = faster transfer to pure water.
Installing a booster pump straight off the mains is against regulations. Big fat fine if caught.

Sorry, off topic a bit. Hope you don't mind Ali G St Ives

Pj

« **Reply #21 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:11:39 am »

Hi Morph, is that for real. I am not on a meter so they wouldnt know if I installed a pump. Didnt know it was against he law.
You learn something new every day.

Steve

« **Reply #22 on:** January 10, 2006, 08:23:06 am »

Quote from: How Much????? on January 10, 2006, 12:11:39 am

Hi Morph, is that for real. I am not on a meter so they wouldnt know if I installed a pump. Didnt know it was against he law.
You learn something new every day.

Steve

Yes it's for real. I am on a meter, but that makes no difference. Its an offence.
Risk of contamination. Ask any proper booster pump supplier. They'll tell you the same. Even a non - return valve isn't sufficient.

« **Reply #23 on:** January 10, 2006, 02:38:45 pm »

Quote from: neil100 on January 09, 2006, 07:49:12 pm

If anyone knows where I can get a switch off valve, stroke petrol gun for a 1" hose i would be most gratefull. cant find one anywhere.

Nel.

fuel delivery nozzle 1"BSPF swivel inlet
classified under ancillary equipment page 40 of "elmbridge pump company" 2004 catalogue
phone no. 01452 313350.
based in gloucester

« **Reply #24 on:** January 12, 2006, 03:55:00 pm »

Ive just bought one of those pumps Gaz.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/water-pump_W0QQitemZ7736138199QQcategoryZ93636QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Will let you know what its like when it arrives, I've bought it to transfer water from my holding tank to my tank in the van.

« **Reply #25 on:** January 12, 2006, 09:46:30 pm »

think its against the law to fit a booster pump because it could over draw the water supply and cause the water main to collapse, someone i know :

uses a booster pump conected to a hose pipe if the pump over draws, the hose pipe is gonna collapse on its self a long time before the mains does. hope this makes sense ive got a head ache.

« **Reply #26 on:** January 13, 2006, 11:44:28 pm »

How can they tell if you use a booster pump, or am I just being naive. surely what you are going to extract unless you are a major water processing factory, couldnt cause any damage? I am on a meter so when I go wfp ive got yet another problem,well, to sort out!

« **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2006, 11:47:52 pm »

they cant tell, but the law is the to stop the mains from being damaged

« **Reply #28 on:** January 14, 2006, 09:24:21 am »

Quote from: Morph on January 09, 2006, 08:33:01 pm

Yep David Seagull usually knows what he's asking for.

A transfer pump: to send water from a holding container to another container/tank.

A booster pump: to increase the pressure from your mains feed into whatever filtration system you are using.

NB: The Water Company will seriously want to know if you install a booster pump without the proper non-return systems in place.

The easiest way to use a booster pump is to fill a holding tank (1,000-2,500 litre) with tap water, then install a booster pump from the holding tank to your filtration system = increased psi to filtering = faster transfer to pure water.
Installing a booster pump straight off the mains is against regulations. Big fat fine if caught.

Sorry, off topic a bit. Hope you don't mind Ali G St Ives

Pj

i see what you are saying but what type of pump do you mean as i have the 100gpd ro system and at 40psi main water i am only making about 85litres in 24 hours and i have been looking for a pump to up the produced water

« **Reply #29 on:** January 14, 2006, 10:51:02 am »

The regulation is in place to protect the mains supply from contamination risk. Booster pumps can go wrong (very rare), so the Water Company regulations , which I don't have to hand, protect the drinking water supply. If the pump was to reverse flow or something strange, then contaminated water coult be pumped backwards into the mains again. They are the kind of risks, hence the regulation.
The only practical way round it is: You need to boost your water pressure into your filter system 1) Mains water into holding tank. 2) Run hose from holding tank outlet and fit booster pump. 3) Boosted pressure into filter system.
No risk of backflow into mains.
But as you say. How are they to know? They cannot tell if you are drawing water from the mains at an increased rate. BUT if ever they inspect.....
It's bye bye all your profits. Hello huge fine!
I have the same low pressure problem so I've looked into it. I still haven't done anything about it myself.
But thems the Regs.
And you know why all you safety conscious chaps changed to wfp? The regs.

Pj

« **Reply #30 on:** January 14, 2006, 11:32:23 am »

Booster pumps are fine as I have seen these installed in houses with poor water pressure so long as they are protected by an anti return valve to prevent this from happening.

« **Reply #31 on:** January 14, 2006, 02:07:38 pm »

A non - return valve is correct for a hose, but not for a booster pump. It does not comply with regulations.
According to my friend who works for water company, also according to London based Suppliers of booster pumps.

« **Reply #32 on:** January 14, 2006, 05:02:58 pm »

I stand corrected.
But I'll have a chat with my mate he is well up on these things and I dont think for one minute a booster pump will push back mains pressure.
Anyway on the subject of pumps I bought that little one of ebay, it filled my tank up in just over an hour.

« **Reply #33 on:** January 14, 2006, 05:45:22 pm »

what about power showers...

that`s a booster pump isn`t it??

You know what??...there is a thing called "paralysis by analysis"
if we all look into every by law and follow it to the letter, we would do nothing!!
Most of these local-even national- laws were passed centuries ago in a time completely out of context with todays society.

Chill out and do your work...if YOU know that you are not contaminating a water supply, then go for it...

« **Reply #34 on:** January 14, 2006, 06:02:28 pm »

Quote from: steve k on January 14, 2006, 05:45:22 pm

what about power showers...
that`s a booster pump isn`t it??

You know what??...there is a thing called "paralysis by analysis"
if we all look into every by law and follow it to the letter, we would do nothing!!
Most of these local-even national- laws were passed centuries ago in a time completely out of context with todays society.

Chill out and do your work...if YOU know that you are not contaminating a water supply, then go for it...

I know I'm not likely to fall of a ladder, but regulations are changing and it is safer with a pole.

I am chilled, in fact horizontal, man!

I think you'll find power showers are not sending out cold water under anything other than mains pressure. The boost is on the hot part which is from a holding tank.
I don't make the rules. But if caught it is a serious offence.
Bit hypocritical selling compliance with health & safety to our customers now we are ladderless, if we are risking the health and safety of many by possible contamination of potable water. A booster pump has been known to malfunction and reverse flow the water.
The work at height regulation was not set up because everyone is falling off ladders. It is a preventative measure.
It's not really an issue for me. I'm just passing on what a senior area manager for Anglia Water has explained.
I'm having to boost the pressure into my RO system at some time to make it more efficient. I only want to do it once, and I want it to be within regulations, I don't want the worry that some day an inspector may come and demand I change it all and fine me in the process.
From all the concern on here about keeping to regulations being so important I thought we would be pleased to know about this.
If you're gonna do it, do it right - that's all!

« **Reply #35 on:** January 14, 2006, 07:37:57 pm »

i think morphs on top of this subject and would follow his advice ,cheers steve