Mike Gwilliam

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Van floor lining
« on: September 27, 2017, 07:18:27 pm »
So my nearly 17 year old Dispatch van is dying a slow death and a new (to me) one will be here next week.

I've lots of plans for it, sound proofing, shelving and because the old van ply floor took a beating I'll be lining the floor in the new un with fibreglass so it's hard and waterproof.

Here's a good video how to do it if your interested like: 

https://youtu.be/M8ZxAUjMQyo

And a 4 sq meter kit without the application rollers....quite cheap I thought but doesn't include the top coat paint:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fibreglass-Kit-4m-Coverage-Glass-Fibre-Repair-GRP-Lloyds-Approved-/231978224342?hash=item3602facad6:g:E8MAAOSwVL1V-wPT


Andy A

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 09:50:34 pm »
Fibreglass isn't bad for the job, but unless you've got an anti slip coating on it be careful walking on it when wet as it's as slippery as a used car salesman's patter...
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Missing Link

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 09:54:27 pm »
I think fibreglass is over kill.   I saw Ian Giles do his first van with it - messy business -  and he's not done any since.  I used that rubberised paint stuff; can't remember what it's called, and it's done the job well, though it's worn off in the heavy usage areas, but still no rust.

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rosskesava

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2017, 12:42:13 am »
Seems an incredible amount of hard work and I agree with Tosh, and sorry Mike, to me also it's an over kill.

I have the tank sitting in a plastic tray thing that I bought off ebay and that's it as far as water proofing goes.

Over 10 years later, the floor of the van still hasn't rusted through despite a few mishaps like a connector coming of the pump and flooding the whole back of the van. Plus I live right next to the south coast and and all that sea salt.

I think so many under estimate just how good modern rust proofing is by the manufacturers.

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Andy A

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2017, 04:49:30 pm »
Seems an incredible amount of hard work and I agree with Tosh, and sorry Mike, to me also it's an over kill.

I have the tank sitting in a plastic tray thing that I bought off ebay and that's it as far as water proofing goes.

Over 10 years later, the floor of the van still hasn't rusted through despite a few mishaps like a connector coming of the pump and flooding the whole back of the van. Plus I live right next to the south coast and and all that sea salt.

I think so many under estimate just how good modern rust proofing is by the manufacturers.

Yeah but no but tell him about the rheostat you had to change which involved getting a street closure order, entry through a man hole cover then digging back to the surface under the van,  dismantling it completely from the back until you can gain access to behind the headlight, when it wass up under the dash inside all the time, now that's overkill  ;D
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rosskesava

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2017, 06:56:30 pm »
Yeah but no but tell him about the rheostat you had to change which involved getting a street closure order, entry through a man hole cover then digging back to the surface under the van,  dismantling it completely from the back until you can gain access to behind the headlight, when it wass up under the dash inside all the time, now that's overkill  ;D

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Kev Martin

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2017, 07:06:45 pm »
We insulate them first, then ply line, tape all the joints, then prime the ply and tape with a water based acrylic polymer and then finally apply two coats of tanking paint.  They remain waterproof, frost proof and non Slip.  If it wears just apply another coat of tanking.  It quick, easy and cheap.
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Mike Gwilliam

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 07:12:36 pm »
 
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Yeah but no but tell him about the rheostat you had to change which involved getting a street closure order, entry through a man hole cover then digging back to the surface under the van,  dismantling it completely from the back until you can gain access to behind the headlight, when it wass up under the dash inside all the time, now that's overkill  ;D
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That reminds me of when I once changed a headlamp bulb on a Ford Focus. When I'd finished it looked like a hand grenade had blown up in my hands. Needless to say, the next time it needed doing it went to the garage where the mechanics are equipped with boneless double jointed hands.

Anyhow after all the negative comments about my brilliant glass fibre floor idea, I've changed me mind.

I'll probably seal the ply floor as its in really good nick (light used)and then put some ribbed rubber floor down.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-BROAD-Ribbed-Van-Taxi-Cab-Garage-Workshop-Rubber-Flooring-Matting-2m-x-3mm-/191559417910?var=&epid=1758878892&hash=item2c99d4c036:m:m29ulVWxdbTyO4CV-7Bek9g

In the old van I had put cheap vinyl floor covering down but it had pierced in a few places and trashed the ply underneath over the years.

Mike Gwilliam

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2017, 07:24:13 pm »
We insulate them first, then ply line, tape all the joints, then prime the ply and tape with a water based acrylic polymer and then finally apply two coats of tanking paint.  They remain waterproof, frost proof and non Slip.  If it wears just apply another coat of tanking.  It quick, easy and cheap.

Sound like a good  idea.

rosskesava

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2017, 07:30:00 pm »
That reminds me of when I once changed a headlamp bulb on a Ford Focus. When I'd finished it looked like a hand grenade had blown up in my hands. Needless to say, the next time it needed doing it went to the garage where the mechanics are equipped with boneless double jointed hands.

It's the same for the drivers side headlamp bulb on my transit connect. It can't be done with one hand and there's no space to get the other hand in there.

I once tried to change the bulb in a service station on the M25 late at night in the pouring rain. It must have taken me near on 2 hours. I ended up with bruised knuckles.

The next time the same bulb went I took it to a garage. They removed the headlight to change it. It took them less than 10 minutes.  :-\
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Mike Gwilliam

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2017, 07:35:02 pm »
I think it took me 1 1/2 hours to change the focus bulb  ::)roll

I think it once took me around 2 1/2 hours to remove a Cortina engine which was in the day when you could actually see and get to the engine.

Andy A

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2017, 07:40:58 pm »
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That reminds me of when I once changed a headlamp bulb on a Ford Focus. When I'd finished it looked like a hand grenade had blown up in my hands. Needless to say, the next time it needed doing it went to the garage where the mechanics are equipped with boneless double jointed hands.

On Focuses (focii perhaps?) open the bonnet and there's a big screw on the slam panel (it's the one attached to the headlight, there's a clue there somewhere), undo the screw, headlight comes out, they designed it so you can change the bulbs without chewing your hands up, funny old game innit  ;D

A few years back I had to pop down to the local Vauxhall stealers dealers for some parts, and while waiting at the parts counter I amused myself watching one of their chimps changing a foglight builb on a Zafira B, the official procedure is to jack the car up, remove both front wheels, remove arch liners, then remove the bumper to gain access to the rear of the fog lights,  the reality is you stick the car up on the ramp until it hits the stops (unless you're short), hang off of the under tray and stuff your free hand between it and the bumper, where you can just grab the bulb holder and do the job*, saves you an hour and a bit in labour though (but doesn't work to replace a complete fog light unit).

*Get an adult to help you with the cutting out...
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Andy A

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2017, 07:42:56 pm »
I think it took me 1 1/2 hours to change the focus bulb  ::)roll

I think it once took me around 2 1/2 hours to remove a Cortina engine which was in the day when you could actually see and get to the engine.

A 2 litre Pinto from a Cortina or Capri, 30 minutes tops,  if it was a Mk3 with a Crossflow 20 minutes, both took a bit more time if you wanted to be posh and set up an engine hoist , I dunno why my backs knackered...
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rosskesava

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2017, 07:48:51 pm »
I remember the days when cars had recognisable engines.
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Mike Gwilliam

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2017, 07:57:24 pm »
I remember the days when cars had recognisable engines.

And you try and tell the young people of today that........and they won't believe ya!

https://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo

Andy A

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2017, 08:14:07 pm »
I remember the days when cars had recognisable engines.

And you try and tell the young people of today that........and they won't believe ya!

https://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo

Sounds like me talking to my eldest  ;D

I've been clearing out my stash of stuff that will come in handy one day, engine specific tools, engines, panels etc, he keeps saying he'll have them (will he b******s, the lazy little scrote doesn't want to work for anything, so I won't give him anything), the trades knackered, it's even knackered as a hobby to me now, the young uns can have it, I'll be off metal detecting somewhere while they're plugging in diagnostics and scratching their nuts trying to come up with an interpretation, I haven't even attended a show this year, the weekend the biggest show of the season was on I spent digging a load of 20 year old horse poo into some ground ready for a hedge and some rose bushes  :o
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Mike Gwilliam

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2017, 07:00:17 pm »
In the end I decided to get an end of roll Altro safety flooring. Very tough wearing and should last for as long as the van I expect.



Sealed the floor plywood with waterproof PVA and fitted it today. I've glued some commercial rubber backed carpet to the bulkhead and roof which has made a huge amount of difference to the noise.
I've ordered Parksafe parking sensors front and rear due to be fitted next month.

I'll also put reversing and rear view cameras on next week but cant decide on which ones to get yet.


Missing Link

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2017, 09:40:55 pm »
Smart, but I don't recognise the kit in the back of the van.

You're not one of those carpet beaters are you?
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Mike Gwilliam

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2017, 11:47:20 pm »
Smart, but I don't recognise the kit in the back of the van.

You're not one of those carpet beaters are you?

Yes, you can tell from the carpet beating machine  :)

rosskesava

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2017, 01:07:19 am »
Looks good Mike even though you're one of them.

You know, that alien species that works for a living... you know, a carpet basher.
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Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Van floor lining
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2017, 12:07:06 pm »
just fiber glass one of my vans out my self well happy with it took two days and done and dusted for under 89 pound