Softwashing

« **on:** November 07, 2016, 10:53:00 am »

I've just ordered some clever wash to see what it's like http://www.softwashing.uk/cleverwash.html
Anybody else tried it yet. If so what do you think?

« **Reply #1 on:** November 07, 2016, 05:46:07 pm »

I take that as a no then especially Chris

« **Reply #2 on:** November 07, 2016, 06:31:17 pm »

Quats and soap mixed together...cannot see the point.

« **Reply #3 on:** November 07, 2016, 06:47:58 pm »

Chris I don't add soap to the likes of algoclear pro etc as there is no need

« **Reply #4 on:** November 07, 2016, 06:58:51 pm »

Thats what the clever wash is...read the label.

« **Reply #5 on:** November 07, 2016, 09:21:14 pm »

What this one? https://softwashingequipment.uk/products/clever-wash-surfactant

« **Reply #6 on:** November 07, 2016, 09:33:06 pm »

Oh I see what you mean now Chris

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1074/3286/files/SDS_Clever_Wash.pdf?9990495437407492424

Quaternary ammonium compounds, benzyl-C8-18-alkyldimethyl, chlorides 1%
Amines, C12-14 (even numbered)-alkyldimethyl, N-oxides

So are you implying this product is unsafe adding it to SH?

« **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2016, 09:15:40 am »

i would have thought so

Darran

« **Reply #8 on:** November 08, 2016, 09:39:05 am »

Why do you say that? Surely this product has been tested for suitability and says on the label "bleach stable" (my interpretation of that it's safe to add to SH)

« **Reply #9 on:** November 08, 2016, 06:47:33 pm »

Quote from: Smurf on November 07, 2016, 09:33:06 pm

Oh I see what you mean now Chris https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1074/3286/files/SDS_Clever_Wash.pdf?9990495437407492424

Quaternary ammonium compounds, benzyl-C8-18-alkyldimethyl, chlorides 1%
Amines, C12-14 (even numbered)-alkyldimethyl, N-oxides

So are you implying this product is unsafe adding it to SH?

Don't know about being unsafe...but I cannot see the point of adding bio-cide to bleach. What are you going to do kill the moss twice in one go?

« **Reply #10 on:** November 08, 2016, 08:35:09 pm »

The small amount in it by the time 1% has been diluted down by the recommended dilution rate of 200-1 I can't see the point in adding it to clever wash either Chris.

« **Reply #11 on:** November 09, 2016, 07:01:33 am »

I use a aldi brand bubble bath which works just as well as a surfactant but only costs 70p a bottle... Clever wash is way overpriced as a surfactant...

« **Reply #12 on:** November 09, 2016, 10:35:41 am »

Quote from: serj shergill on November 09, 2016, 07:01:33 am

I use a aldi brand bubble bath which works just as well as a surfactant but only costs 70p a bottle... Clever wash is way overpriced as a surfactant...

Regarding the cost of clever wash going by the dilution rate of 200-1 5L of clever wash delivered to your door is enough to blend 250 L of SH so works out less than 11p a litre to 1L of diluted SH. I've not tried it yet but hopefully will also mask the annoying smell of bleach too. Cost wise looking at it that way it doesn't seem that expensive to me.

I do like to try various products so will have to wait and see if it's any good or not.

« **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2016, 09:12:28 am »

SH and Ammonia dont mix

however judging by your dilution rates there is virually nothing of the chemical in there anyway

Darran

« **Reply #14 on:** November 11, 2016, 05:17:25 pm »

Quote from: Smudger on November 10, 2016, 09:12:28 am

SH and Ammonia dont mix

however judging by your dilution rates there is virually nothing of the chemical in there anyway

Darran

Who mentioned Ammonia?

« **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2016, 09:44:42 pm »

Oh gosh, sorry just for the padantic amoung us Quaternary ammonium

Best regards
Darran

« **Reply #16 on:** November 11, 2016, 09:56:44 pm »

This makes interesting reading http://www.mold-killer.info/quaternary-ammonium-cleaners-detailed/
"a quat is NOT and does NOT contain either ammonia or the true ammonium ion"

« **Reply #17 on:** November 12, 2016, 10:34:34 am »

Quote from: Smudger on November 11, 2016, 09:44:42 pm

Oh gosh, sorry just for the padantic amoung us Quaternary ammonium

Best regards
Darran

We are talking mixing chemicals here....you need to be pedantic. Ammonia and Quaternary ammonium are two completely different chemicals.

« **Reply #18 on:** November 12, 2016, 10:52:03 am »

All you really need to know when adding stuff to hypo (whatever the strength is) if it instantly reacts and starts giving off toxic fumes then it's safe to say it's not compatible. Oh and best hold yer breath...

Been there done that so you could say I've got the T-shirt... Oops!

« **Reply #19 on:** November 14, 2016, 01:31:04 pm »

Just a quick update about cleaver wash if anyone is interested as a test I added as small amount clever wash to a small amount of 15% neat hypo approx 1-1 mix. It instantly reacted and went white but gave off no toxic fumes that I could see which was a relief so I assume after that test clever wash is compatible of sorts

Next test if I'm brave/stupid enough is to add 40% DDAC to neat 15% hypo just to see what happens.

Well that was quite disappointing as the DDAC instantly reacted and turned white again but no toxic fumes were seen given off either. Still I will not be deliberately mixing 40 or 50% DDAC with hypo again. But at least I know now when using hypo on render cleaning and after rinsing all surfaces and run offs well. Then wanting to treat the walls etc with DDAC I'm not going to gas myself now hopefully

« **Reply #20 on:** November 14, 2016, 09:58:18 pm »

Would you see the "gas" ?
Did you have a sacrificial canary/rat/pet cat to hand for testing close up ??

Did the solution get warmer/hot ??

Darran

« **Reply #21 on:** November 14, 2016, 11:37:42 pm »

Not sure as was holding me breath and looking away at the time. Mind the pet shop guy was not that helpful to be honest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218

« **Reply #22 on:** November 16, 2016, 11:30:18 pm »

Just a quick update folks if anyone is interested. I used clever wash additive today on a render job and to my surprise it worked very well as an SH additive. Cost wise was a darn lot cheaper than using benz blackwash and worked just as good if not better.

My next trial will be with my own soap and scent mix and see how that compares

« **Reply #23 on:** November 17, 2016, 07:00:12 pm »

Quote from: Smurf on November 16, 2016, 11:30:18 pm

Just a quick update folks if anyone is interested. I used clever wash additive today on a render job and to my surprise it worked very well as an SH additive. Cost wise was a darn lot cheaper than using benz blackwash and worked just as good if not better.

My next trial will be with my own soap and scent mix and see how that compares

Sorry Smurf...god made me do it

« **Reply #24 on:** November 17, 2016, 08:40:20 pm »