samson

Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« on: August 26, 2015, 08:47:45 am »
Yes they look good in front of customers, but they are totally useless !    Every time I have attempted to use it, I always end up using a lance to clean where it has missed  ::)roll

Rob@Blast off

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 09:49:59 am »
User error  ::)roll

samson

Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 12:28:14 pm »

Ben Marriott

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 01:37:27 pm »
At one with the force you must be...
If set up badly the dark side your FSC will join :)
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Jettaway

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 02:18:33 pm »
What is it doing wrong?

It isnt some miracle tool that will clean every bit of moss and weeds from paving in a fraction of the time as a turbo.

If it is missing 'runs' then thats operator error

samson

Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 03:10:05 pm »
My point is it's just quicker to use a lance, unless you have a 30lt + machine ( but would be impractical as you would be waiting around for filling ) !

Jettaway

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 03:37:43 pm »
Whats your flowrate?

Im faster with an fsc than just a turbo.

samson

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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 05:36:20 pm »
Whats your flowrate?

Im faster with an fsc than just a turbo.
yeah but you still have to rinse and clean the edges ?

Smurf

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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 06:12:44 pm »
I think this guy needs a lesson how to use one too.  ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAHabhAPZtQ
God he is making that hard work as all you have to do is walk up and down with the bloody thing   ::)roll

Rob@Blast off

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Smudger

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2015, 07:56:26 pm »
Oh my god!

Still have to say turbo power is king (except for Tarmac)

Sammy boy when are you burgering off on hols  ???




















My eyes need a rest  ;D

Darran
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samson

Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2015, 09:30:26 pm »
Oh my god!

Still have to say turbo power is king (except for Tarmac)

Sammy boy when are you burgering off on hols  ???




















My eyes need a rest  ;D

Darran
The plane is on the landing strip with the engines running  ;D

Smudger

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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2015, 09:37:49 pm »
👍👍👍👍👍

Enjoy
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samson

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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2015, 10:51:22 pm »
👍👍👍👍👍

Enjoy
I will daz thank you, did you have a think about what we spoke about the other day ?

Smudger

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2015, 07:39:52 am »
Yes mate

Everything duly noted

Cheers
Darran
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Neil Jones

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2015, 06:01:24 pm »
Wrong nozzles, or not aligned properly. My FSC will clean so much quicker than a turbo, makes less mess, I rarely turbo much now other than edges.

Smurf

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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2015, 07:13:53 pm »
Wrong nozzles, or not aligned properly. My FSC will clean so much quicker than a turbo, makes less mess, I rarely turbo much now other than edges.

+1

Rob@Blast off

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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2015, 07:22:44 pm »
+2
Since getting a bigger machine the fsc is alot more effective.

Tom-01

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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2015, 07:26:10 pm »
We've used a FSC for pretty much every job..

Today we used just the turbo and it cut the clean time in half from normally using the FSC.

Rob@Blast off

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2015, 07:40:28 pm »
What about cleaning up the overspray.

Tom-01

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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2015, 09:04:14 pm »
What about cleaning up the overspray.

We cleaned it off. You have to use a lance anyway when using the FSC.

Neil Jones

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2015, 11:02:57 am »
Tom if you have The correct machine, the correct FSC and nozzles there is no way it is quicker than a turbo. Most block we clean now the fsc just rips the most and weeds straight out. Then a quick rinse and turbo edges and the odd tough weed and rinse again.

Less mess and using an FSC is so much easier on the body than using a turbo on everything. I'd probably give up if I had to turbo everything 😢

Smudger

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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2015, 04:58:51 pm »
So what's your combination Neil ?

Machine, flow, pressure, what fsc and nozzles ?


Mine was set up specifically for my machine, it even lifts off the ground  slightly when on full power but it doesn't clean to the same degree as a turbo, chamfered edges, black spot, moss and weeds remain uncleaned or left behind, so I'm firmly in the turbo nozzle camp

Darran
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Rob@Blast off

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2015, 08:56:32 pm »
I used to turbo pretty much every job, now fsc every job then spot and rinse with the twin lance.

250@21 with 1503 nozzles, also i tend to just use one 30m length of hose direct to the machine as you know you will loose a bit using a reel.

Smurf

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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2015, 03:13:44 pm »

samson

Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2015, 03:27:34 pm »
how much can you clean in under 10 mins?  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpl7lTb_I8g&index=104&list=UU6uGqco6i7spfOi1cUHCV1w
cCan't view that vid, Internet is so slow up here in the mountains  ;D

Smurf

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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2015, 03:31:45 pm »
Is your holiday that boring?  ;D

samson

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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2015, 06:23:24 pm »
Is your holiday that boring?  ;D
Too much time on the sun lounger  ;D

Matt.

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2015, 06:39:44 pm »
Samson ......... Your meant to be on holiday !!!!!!

Did you go on your own or sutton and are feelings bit lonely, I know if it was me I wouldn't be visiting here til I returned  ???

Think beer 🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻

NOT

Business

When I go on holiday I turn my phone off divert calls and leave it at home, go enjoy urself mate, make some friends and have a nice time

samson

Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2015, 09:36:51 pm »
Samson ......... Your meant to be on holiday !!!!!!

Did you go on your own or sutton and are feelings bit lonely, I know if it was me I wouldn't be visiting here til I returned  ???

Think beer 🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻

NOT

Business

When I go on holiday I turn my phone off divert calls and leave it at home, go enjoy urself mate, make some friends and have a nice time
Dont drink lol, I still leave phone on, and I have got 3 jobs in last 2 days  :o
I try and switch off, but I get bored  :P

Smurf

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2015, 12:11:37 am »
If it's any consolation it's peeing down again tonight ;D

Neil Jones

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2015, 02:24:16 am »
250 bar 21+ I use 025 on block and 03 on slabs or concrete. I generally run above 21+ litres though so that may make a difference.

Neil Jones

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2015, 02:24:31 am »
Mosmatic 21 inch

Smudger

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2015, 08:47:52 pm »
Neil - you got a little more grunt than my set up, if I get something bigger in the future I'll revisit the fsc option

Darrran
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Ben Marriott

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« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2015, 09:22:50 pm »
Go to 62 LPM 300 Bar stand on the fsc cover and pull the trigger! One hell of a game haha  ;D
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Smudger

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« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2015, 09:30:27 pm »
What price you gonna do me one for Ben  ??? ;D

Be careful did a roof clean for a karcher executive today ( just retired) he was very upset I was using Honda power !

Apparently he's been on to his best mate at head office who runs sales to test out some products ( I wait with baited breath  ;D ) still he couldn't deny your machine did a cracking job ( but it could just be it had a good operator  ;D  ;D )
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Ben Marriott

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« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2015, 09:37:11 pm »
Don't Karcher power all of their petrols with Honda? They also use Interpump on their most expensive machines..... :D
But yes the operator would have been the icing on the cake! - Have you sorted red machine pump/gearbox yet?

And is this big enough?
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Smudger

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« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2015, 09:50:17 pm »
Is that the best you can do.....?  ;D

Well I did think that, but who's to argue with a customer !

Not yet,  ::)roll it was needed today, but I shall take it apart tomorrow or Sunday - I just stuffed a bit more oil in it  - I don't think it will run much longer as its really loose now   :-X

Darran
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Ben Marriott

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2015, 09:55:39 pm »
It's the biggest machine I have ever built - and to my knowledge there are only two using that pump in the UK. I know that the engine isn't made anymore! They are a right cow to build 50-60 hours work and - just so expensive.

Fun to do though I like the yellow.

I think you'll be lucky if it hasn't caused some real naughties :/ but I've got my fingers crossed for you :)
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Rob@Blast off

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2015, 09:57:22 pm »
Ben what's the spec on that?

Smudger

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« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2015, 09:58:41 pm »
We will see, what's a new gearbox or pump between us friends !  ;)

Darran
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Ben Marriott

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Re: Flat surface cleaners . . . . useless !
« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2015, 10:17:34 pm »
It was 60LPM at 100 -275 Bar depending on the accumulator and the unloader valve which you could bypass manually - it basically had EVERY toy we could get hold of on it :) and the turbo sounded ace!

I'll use the catapult and aim it in your general direction Darren  ;D
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