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I've just cleaned this...
« on: September 01, 2016, 12:41:40 pm »
With some tart from Manchester!!


Matt.

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Re: I've just cleaned this...
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2016, 05:39:41 pm »
Welcome back rob.

That's a mighty job in itself

Aqua Power Solutions

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2016, 05:55:39 pm »
Welcome newbie (Rob) to the forum !  If you need any advice we will point you in the right direction  ;D
Ed
Aqua Power Solutions external property maintenance 01423 541 400 Mobile 0752 158 3240  Visit our Facebook page for examples of our work https://www.facebook.com/Aqua-Power-Solutions-332485570200950/

waterforce

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2016, 07:32:34 pm »
Thats impressive!

Smurf

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2016, 08:17:00 pm »
What do you want a medal or something?  ;D ;D

waterforce

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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2016, 09:35:08 pm »
How did you get on the roof?

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2016, 10:15:45 pm »
Thanks Matt & Ed.

I'm going to have a lot of questions so I'm hoping you'll be patient with me.

Waterforce

At the top LH side next to the water tank they built a sixty foot scaffold staircase to get onto the two higher roofs, we only cleaned the cladding, not the roofs.


waterforce

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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2016, 07:07:42 am »
Thanks Matt & Ed.

I'm going to have a lot of questions so I'm hoping you'll be patient with me.

Waterforce

At the top LH side next to the water tank they built a sixty foot scaffold staircase to get onto the two higher roofs, we only cleaned the cladding, not the roofs.
How did you clean the cladding ?
With brushes?
How long did it take?
How do you get/price that sort of work...this is what I want to end up doing.

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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2016, 03:41:30 pm »
Waterforce -

I'll turn your question around.

What do you think we did, how long did it take and how would you go about getting the work?

Smurf

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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2016, 06:05:21 pm »
You got the "tart from manchester" your words not mine to do all the work while you sat on yer arse watching him so next time you will know how to do it properly maybe?  Just kidding ;D ;D

Ian101

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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2016, 06:07:52 pm »
you mean them lads still not cleaning the roof ??

waterforce

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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2016, 08:58:40 pm »
Waterforce -

I'll turn your question around.

What do you think we did, how long did it take and how would you go about getting the work?
I have seen cladding cleaned with window cleaners poles and some people jet wash it ...hence the question. I really don't know where to start with getting work like that or even how to start pricing it....do you just phone the company up?

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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2016, 10:48:41 pm »
It was pressure washed.

The top 8 metres was corrugated cladding - that could not have been cleaned with a WFP system. It was heavily crusted with Algae.

Lee cleaned it back to original with heat from his Falch machine.

To clean the building it took a couple of weeks, with a combination of 1,2 & 3 people on site.

MEWP (access) were 2 x 20 metre, 1 x 28.8 metre booms.

As a minimum you need to have CSCS, Asbestos Awareness, IPAF and the client would expect you to know what you are doing.

I don't know about other commercial operators and the supply chains they work in and for but for me it is clients I have worked for in the past. This job was from a client I cleaned a roof for in Andover three years ago.

I've been on the Sainsbury's refurb programme for years - Did two nights @ a Sainsbury's store last night and Wednesday night in Bristol.

In my experience I have never seen a sole trader working on any projects but that's not to say that doesn't happen elsewhere, so my experience is VAT registered and therefore LTD company.

There isn't an answer on getting the work in - they phoned me, website is king!!!

People who have never used you have no way of knowing what you can do unless they can find you online and see your story.


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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2016, 11:03:33 pm »
Ian

Did you see them?

waterforce

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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2016, 08:11:38 am »
It was pressure washed.

The top 8 metres was corrugated cladding - that could not have been cleaned with a WFP system. It was heavily crusted with Algae.

Lee cleaned it back to original with heat from his Falch machine.

To clean the building it took a couple of weeks, with a combination of 1,2 & 3 people on site.

MEWP (access) were 2 x 20 metre, 1 x 28.8 metre booms.

As a minimum you need to have CSCS, Asbestos Awareness, IPAF and the client would expect you to know what you are doing.

I don't know about other commercial operators and the supply chains they work in and for but for me it is clients I have worked for in the past. This job was from a client I cleaned a roof for in Andover three years ago.

I've been on the Sainsbury's refurb programme for years - Did two nights @ a Sainsbury's store last night and Wednesday night in Bristol.

In my experience I have never seen a sole trader working on any projects but that's not to say that doesn't happen elsewhere, so my experience is VAT registered and therefore LTD company.

There isn't an answer on getting the work in - they phoned me, website is king!!!

People who have never used you have no way of knowing what you can do unless they can find you online and see your story.

Ok thank you .
How long have you being doing this work for and how many people do you employ?
Who is the best person to make a website like yours?
How do I VAT and Ltd paper work? Whats CSCS?
Sorry for all the questions  ;D

clarkson

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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2016, 08:32:15 am »
Hi rob
That s fantastic , biggest site I have seen on here I think.

Question , if I was cleaning a huge area of cladding  I would have tried softwash  rather than pressure.

Or was it to heavily soiled ?

Cheers
John
A2Z

clarkson

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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2016, 08:52:15 am »
It was pressure washed.

The top 8 metres was corrugated cladding - that could not have been cleaned with a WFP system. It was heavily crusted with Algae.

Lee cleaned it back to original with heat from his Falch machine.

To clean the building it took a couple of weeks, with a combination of 1,2 & 3 people on site.

MEWP (access) were 2 x 20 metre, 1 x 28.8 metre booms.

As a minimum you need to have CSCS, Asbestos Awareness, IPAF and the client would expect you to know what you are doing.

I don't know about other commercial operators and the supply chains they work in and for but for me it is clients I have worked for in the past. This job was from a client I cleaned a roof for in Andover three years ago.

I've been on the Sainsbury's refurb programme for years - Did two nights @ a Sainsbury's store last night and Wednesday night in Bristol.

In my experience I have never seen a sole trader working on any projects but that's not to say that doesn't happen elsewhere, so my experience is VAT registered and therefore LTD company.

There isn't an answer on getting the work in - they phoned me, website is king!!!

People who have never used you have no way of knowing what you can do unless they can find you online and see your story.

Ok thank you .
How long have you being doing this work for and how many people do you employ?
Who is the best person to make a website like yours?
How do I VAT and Ltd paper work? Whats CSCS?
Sorry for all the questions  ;D

Water force
I have just noticed your questions.  I don't know what size of operation you are running and  what  size of sites  you are used to  but it would be very difficult to go from a one man operation  to do site like these.

Rob is over simplifying it . You will have to have  good health and safety practices including risk assessments method statements . Health and safety policy , good commercial insurance  and as stated most of the above.

You don't necessarily need to be Ltd , but the issue is clients of this nature don't take you seriously if you are not. The size of business to be able to handle this effectively  would be generating profits that would make it necessary.

It is a strategic decision to be taken when the business is ready.  You will certainly need to do it  via an accountant or other professional.  This is the same as VAT registration , and I wouldn't go VAT registered if turnover is below  the threshold , I think 82k pa at the minute.

Cscs  is worth getting however as its a short exam  to satisfy commercial sites you are aware  of health and safety issues.

Don't want to dampen your enthusiasm , wish I still had some. But you can come unstuck trying to grow a business to quick and your questions lead me to believe your operation isn't the size to be looking at projects this big yet!

I don't claim to be on the same playing field as rob or lee at this kind of work , but we are  a medium size operation. And everything in place and I would have thought long and hard before taking that on.

Cheers
John

waterforce

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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2016, 09:07:39 am »
Thank you for the info John.
Maybe it will come to us one day...if we keep at it. Thats what I like about this forum...all the helpful advice.

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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2016, 09:46:47 am »
John

Hope your well mate - I wished I'd thought a bit harder before taking it on - it was a pain in the a*se but some of that was down to me having two machine breakdowns and then working through one of the hottest periods of the year.

Down the side where the water tank is (perspective - the tank is 15 metres tall) it was massively soiled and just easier to pressure wash to a good finish, the client was happy.

I'm guessing it could have been soft washed but drift was an issue and the client didn't want us spraying any chemicals with people working on the roof. There were 7 up there.

Waterforce - Although I am a LTD company I work without employees and had I not had the breakdowns would have got on with it on my own.

The larger flow machines help you to get a lot more done in the same amount of time.

For me it is always useful to have a good network of people that can be called up.

I had a well built window cleaning business that I sold to do this. I would have that back tomorrow and give all of this up if I got the opportunity and am actively looking at this as an option.

Website - I have banged on about websites for years on here!!

Spend everything you can and then find a bit more. It is the most important part of your business, hand in hand with capability.












clarkson

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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2016, 09:51:31 am »
Hi water force
It will  of course if you keep up your  can do attitude , me as well I hope .

Just don't want anyone  getting into trouble .  Say you start something like this , spent a few thousand setting up  , few thousand  on hire . Work on it for a week with three guys  so a  thousand or two on wages
Then it goes pear shaped for whatever reason . Could you work on it for weeks to pull it round . Would you have to walk off the job and loose the 6k start up.

Rob know s this client.  But says your client goes bust owing you 20k could you cover it.

It's a minefield and the numbers are all big ones.

For your info I am finding increasingly that small to medium size jobs for around the 1000k mark seem to pay best without any great exposure , minimum of kit  and no stress. We often leave site with a cheque as well.

On the set up business structure . You can of course do it all yourself but mistakes at the beginning are costly ones. Better in my opinion to use consultants websites, health safety ,  corporate structure , vat
Can all be done using professionals. It costs but it's done right .

Cheers
John

Smurf

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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2016, 09:59:38 am »

clarkson

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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2016, 10:04:25 am »
John

Hope your well mate - I wished I'd thought a bit harder before taking it on - it was a pain in the a*se but some of that was down to me having two machine breakdowns and then working through one of the hottest periods of the year.

Down the side where the water tank is (perspective - the tank is 15 metres tall) it was massively soiled and just easier to pressure wash to a good finish, the client was happy.

I'm guessing it could have been soft washed but drift was an issue and the client didn't want us spraying any chemicals with people working on the roof. There were 7 up there.

Waterforce - Although I am a LTD company I work without employees and had I not had the breakdowns would have got on with it on my own.

The larger flow machines help you to get a lot more done in the same amount of time.

For me it is always useful to have a good network of people that can be called up.

I had a well built window cleaning business that I sold to do this. I would have that back tomorrow and give all of this up if I got the opportunity and am actively looking at this as an option.

Website - I have banged on about websites for years on here!!

Spend everything you can and then find a bit more. It is the most important part of your business, hand in hand with capability.

Hi rob
Yes I find soft wash , drift is the big issue just done college and barriers where 10 metres from worksite still getting a strong  mix hitting  a public path the other side . Had to start at 4 before anyone was around.

Thought you where going to sell up to the sainsburys FM people and retire .

The window cleaning isn't what it used to be I think you will find , unless you are going to buy a top round
I think it's getting tricky to canvass up anything substantial.

WFP has commoditised it .  Any one with a few quid can get a trolley and do high level work it's bringing prices ever lower.

All the best.

John

waterforce

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2016, 10:17:37 am »
Hi water force
It will  of course if you keep up your  can do attitude , me as well I hope .

Just don't want anyone  getting into trouble .  Say you start something like this , spent a few thousand setting up  , few thousand  on hire . Work on it for a week with three guys  so a  thousand or two on wages
Then it goes pear shaped for whatever reason . Could you work on it for weeks to pull it round . Would you have to walk off the job and loose the 6k start up.

Rob know s this client.  But says your client goes bust owing you 20k could you cover it.

It's a minefield and the numbers are all big ones.

For your info I am finding increasingly that small to medium size jobs for around the 1000k mark seem to pay best without any great exposure , minimum of kit  and no stress. We often leave site with a cheque as well.

On the set up business structure . You can of course do it all yourself but mistakes at the beginning are costly ones. Better in my opinion to use consultants websites, health safety ,  corporate structure , vat
Can all be done using professionals. It costs but it's done right .

Cheers
John
Medium sized jobs of 1000k would do me ...it's more than I earn in a year (or two).
Rob you are a ltd sole trader (you work alone)    Could I do that?

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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2016, 10:35:25 am »
The floor fell out of the refurb programmes, a business only has value if someone wants it.

As far as the window cleaning - possibly going to avoid some of the steps by buying rounds or paying a canvassing company.

Waterforce - anyone can do it it's whether your body and head can handle it.

To clean industrial estates on your own and then large buildings is very physically demanding. Stand in front of your local Tesco, Morrison's, Sainsbury's and look at everything from the roof down, include the service yard and the perimeters, then add the fuel station, then multiple call backs when you might be at the other end of the country.

I was offered 32 Morrison's frontages, I was really busy and had to say no. Now I'm quiet and could have plowed through them.

But think about that - 32 stores, two days per store, then move to next, three per week, booking digs, fuel, driving, away from home.

I don't employ because I don't want to pay for someone to have holidays, throw sickies, can't be ar*ed one morning letting me down.
Maybe I'd be a millionaire by now if I had set it up differently. Maybe not!


Smurf

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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2016, 12:41:57 pm »
Regarding specialist kit and experienced operatives white label  is an option as robert put it " the tart from manchester" helped   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vpnip3uWPg


waterforce

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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2016, 01:07:54 pm »
Rob

Thats even more impressive if you do all that cleaning by yourself....it gives me inspiration as what I could acheive if I try harder.

Well done!!

Smurf

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2016, 01:29:45 pm »
Waterforce there is no way on this earth that you could takle a job like in the pic in a timely and safe manner on yer own and would be very foolish to think you could.

 

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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2016, 01:31:38 pm »
In your experience why would that be?

Smurf

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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2016, 01:44:21 pm »
Trying to  use on your own a 20m & 28m boom for pressure washing for a start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRnborJjYjs

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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2016, 01:56:41 pm »
And the 'timely manner' bit?

waterforce

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« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2016, 01:59:52 pm »
It is possible...Rob has demonstrated this.
Although from  a health and safety point of view I would think big sites would not allow it...or are they really not bothered as long as you are a ltd company, as Rob suggests.

What line of work do you do Smurf?

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« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2016, 02:07:51 pm »
Waterforce

Ignore him. He's never seen  any pressure washing work but does enjoy offering 'woolly/vague advice' on here.

waterforce

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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2016, 02:11:09 pm »
Waterforce

Ignore him. He's never seen  any pressure washing work but does enjoy offering 'woolly/vague advice' on here.

ok  ;D

Smurf

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« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2016, 02:19:27 pm »
Just in case you missed my link ealier  ::)roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRnborJjYjs

Anyway best like Rob said to just ignore me as I know nothing  really  ;D ;D


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« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2016, 02:19:42 pm »
Waterforce

If you want to do what I do - clean large scale areas & buildings on your own the work is out there, you can do it safely but you have to work within strict RAMS.

For kn*bhead I wasn't jumping between the MEWP as they rolled down the side of the building. Better put a smiley ;D

Set your business up how you want to run it,  I would be asking what is he doing to get this work, do this work and then get further works rather than hiding behind some stupid online persona, with little to offer than unsubstantiated b*llox.

Another smiley just in case I upset anyone ;D ;D ;D

Smurf

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« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2016, 02:28:21 pm »
 ;D ;D

waterforce

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« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2016, 02:31:12 pm »
" Set your business up how you want to run it,  I would be asking what is he doing to get this work, do this work and then get further works rather than hiding behind some stupid online persona, with little to offer than unsubstantiated b*llox.'...

I was only asking as I was interested.

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« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2016, 02:33:21 pm »
Waterforce  - That wasn't aimed at you.

waterforce

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« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2016, 02:37:05 pm »
OK I interperted wrong  ;D

waterforce

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« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2016, 02:38:27 pm »
What is a "RAM".           ..you don't take sheep on site do you ? ;D

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« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2016, 02:41:36 pm »
The Smurf might but that wouldn't be for work purposes, more self pleasure!

Risk
Assessment
Method
Statement

waterforce

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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2016, 02:50:50 pm »
 ;D
Thank you

waterforce

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« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2016, 02:53:44 pm »
Risk assesment ...working alone at that height must be dangerous, I would not feel confident.
Would the "metheod statement" allow this ?

Matt.

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« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2016, 03:54:01 pm »
Of course the method statement allows it. I have just finished 3 roof jobs and done the majority of it on my own, just brought staff in as and wen I needed
Anything is permitted as long as it's done safely, and u put it in ur rams. If there was a problem the job would of been stopped.

The worst thing about doing big jobs like this is wen u r on the roof/cherrypicker or whatever access ur using, and suton goes wrong at the van, it can take a while to go sort a 2 second problem and then get back to were u was.

jobjetting

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« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2016, 04:12:15 pm »
Had a good read through this thread. Cheers for asnwering questions etc, helps the industry as a whole. The more of us out there pressure washing professionally the more work we will get (you'll be amazed at how many companys/people don't even see pressure washing/soft washing as an option. For example my local college had mold running down all of the render and was looking at getting it painted!

Ive done a couple of jobs for large companys and havn't been asked if i was LTD or not, suppose some might. They did want me to write method statements, health and safety and made sure i was insured and had the relevant qualifications/experience .

Ive also been caught out a few times waiting for payment. Ive had to pay cherry picker higher out of my own pocket becuase they've took forever to pay me, had instances like this couple times.

Smurf

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« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2016, 05:16:51 pm »
Of course the method statement allows it. I have just finished 3 roof jobs and done the majority of it on my own, just brought staff in as and wen I needed
Anything is permitted as long as it's done safely, and u put it in ur rams. If there was a problem the job would of been stopped.

The worst thing about doing big jobs like this is wen u r on the roof/cherrypicker or whatever access ur using, and suton goes wrong at the van, it can take a while to go sort a 2 second problem and then get back to were u was.

So what happens if you need urgent help for whatever reason. How is that covered when working alone in your RAMS Matt?

waterforce

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« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2016, 05:24:45 pm »
Apart from the safety side of things..it must be easier on a job of that size if there are two of you. What happens if you need a wee or go for dinner. If it was up here in somebody would steal all your gear,

Matt.

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« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2016, 05:35:11 pm »
Of course the method statement allows it. I have just finished 3 roof jobs and done the majority of it on my own, just brought staff in as and wen I needed
Anything is permitted as long as it's done safely, and u put it in ur rams. If there was a problem the job would of been stopped.

The worst thing about doing big jobs like this is wen u r on the roof/cherrypicker or whatever access ur using, and suton goes wrong at the van, it can take a while to go sort a 2 second problem and then get back to were u was.

So what happens if you need urgent help for whatever reason. How is that covered when working alone in your RAMS Matt?

What does urgent help consist of ??

Let's be honest an not daft, if u assess the job and see that there could be problems then u allow for them.

But this is ciu an no matter how u word it, u guna get pulled apart, rob only just came back an he's prob thinking wot for.

No hypo permitted on this site, so only things that can go wrong r as follows. ( all work had to go through h&s )
Machine runs out of petrol
A
Go the garage

Hose may burst
A
Replace hose by ringing Rutland pumps

Building falls down due to earthquake
A
If still alive have an early dart go to a&e get checked out

Ok so 1 things did go wrong on the job over the last 6 weeks, my unloader on jet wash worked it's way loose an I had a leak, posted pic on here and Ben and Chris pointed me in the right direction.
Disaster over

Smurf

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« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2016, 05:43:26 pm »
My point is it seems human nature to a lot of firms to cut corners to keep the costs down to remain competitive.

Matt.

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« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2016, 06:11:40 pm »
On some jobs ye defo but not wen u av h&s all over u everyday.

I think wen u taken jobs on like wot rob has just done, it's never a case of just put rams together an away ya go.

waterforce

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« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2016, 08:08:24 am »
Please take it easy on me...... I am new to this and  I hope that one day I am at the top of my game (as Rob obviously is) this is just my own personal thoughts.
I keep re-reading this...whilst I understand that Rob does this day in day out and he is very experianced in his field .
I can see no justification for doing something like this alone.
I also understand the LTD company part ...but If I owned the company (whose building it is) and I had just read the RAMS which stated 1 person working alone ,alarm bells would ring .
a) From a H&S point of view
 b) The duration/quality of the work to be carried out
c) The integrity of the company carrying out the work (to send a sole operative)


jobjetting

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« Reply #51 on: September 04, 2016, 11:09:49 am »
Please take it easy on me...... I am new to this and  I hope that one day I am at the top of my game (as Rob obviously is) this is just my own personal thoughts.
I keep re-reading this...whilst I understand that Rob does this day in day out and he is very experianced in his field .
I can see no justification for doing something like this alone.
I also understand the LTD company part ...but If I owned the company (whose building it is) and I had just read the RAMS which stated 1 person working alone ,alarm bells would ring .
a) From a H&S point of view
 b) The duration/quality of the work to be carried out
c) The integrity of the company carrying out the work (to send a sole operative)

i definitely think big company's are going to be a bit funny if your doing the job on your own but with pressure washing you need water pressure so if you got more then one jetwash you either need a  huge water tank to keep up with them or run straight from the mains, then you need someone who knows how to pressure wash (especially on cladding), so really max people you can have on the job is 4, 2 jetwash's two laborers. When i serviced lorrys we had to work in pairs. Every place is different though.

When ever i get a big job i always get some one to help me, i pay £100 a day and just price it into the job. But i could definitely do most of them on my own, its just mainly for when i'm up the cherry picker.

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« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2016, 11:45:38 am »


Just off to get my dinner

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« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2016, 12:06:02 pm »
You look rather dapper Rob I must say.
 I'm sat in me string vest and stained underpants eating me bacon toasties  ;D

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« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2016, 12:24:01 pm »
Bloody coffee machines ! I now have two posh things that are broke and I have just bought a £15 jobbie

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« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2016, 12:38:43 pm »
I forgot about this but I'll put it out there.

Someone phones you up.

We have a major supermarket roof that needs pressure washing, the store is open and there will be heavy footfall into the store. You will be working directly over the store entrance while all this is happening. There will be no hoarding or canopy erected. You will then go onto clean the rest of the roof, one side that is high street, there can be no pavement/road closures.

You will have to contend with pedestrians and traffic.

Oh the H & S nightmare - feasible. I'd like your thoughts?

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« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2016, 12:42:12 pm »
The coffee is excellent.

Carl - are you grinding your own beans or one of those pod things?

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« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2016, 01:13:07 pm »
Ian

Did you see them?

seen Lees video ... im honoured to be in his secret group that I cant mention  ;D

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« Reply #58 on: September 04, 2016, 01:15:51 pm »
Rob ... interesting what you have to say about you would give all this up tomorrow if you could have your window cleaning rounds back ..... im just at the end stage of winding mine down and selling up to do more big building cleaning / pressure washing but defo don't want my window cleaning back  ;D

interesting way how u have yours structured with no employees.

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« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2016, 02:20:32 pm »
Ian

And people wondered why 'the secret group' came about!

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« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2016, 02:23:00 pm »
I forgot about this but I'll put it out there.

Someone phones you up.

We have a major supermarket roof that needs pressure washing, the store is open and there will be heavy footfall into the store. You will be working directly over the store entrance while all this is happening. There will be no hoarding or canopy erected. You will then go onto clean the rest of the roof, one side that is high street, there can be no pavement/road closures.

You will have to contend with pedestrians and traffic.

Oh the H & S nightmare - feasible. I'd like your thoughts?

Where are the replies to this??

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« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2016, 02:41:24 pm »
Well in the scenario you describe we hand out free umbrellas and rain coats. We then get good ear plugs so we don't hear complaints and abuse, then just ignore the public and carry on as if there not there.......easy
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« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2016, 03:31:17 pm »
Well in the scenario you describe we hand out free umbrellas and rain coats. We then get good ear plugs so we don't hear complaints and abuse, then just ignore the public and carry on as if there not there.......easy

Plus 2 signs.
1 that says "Dont look up"
The other
" All complaints to store manager"
Job done lol
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« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2016, 03:38:51 pm »
I forgot about this but I'll put it out there.

Someone phones you up.

We have a major supermarket roof that needs pressure washing, the store is open and there will be heavy footfall into the store. You will be working directly over the store entrance while all this is happening. There will be no hoarding or canopy erected. You will then go onto clean the rest of the roof, one side that is high street, there can be no pavement/road closures.

You will have to contend with pedestrians and traffic.

Oh the H & S nightmare - feasible. I'd like your thoughts?

Where are the replies to this??

Find somebody daft enough to do it as cheap as possible with little regard for the safety of the public. Who will take the flak if it all goes tits up......is that the correct answer?
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« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2016, 03:41:40 pm »
Hi Rob
What is the secret group you make reference too?
The Americans have pressure washing association's you can join to learn, do we have them in the united Kingdom?

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« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2016, 04:27:10 pm »




Or is the answer to do it properly and get lots more work from it.

Again I'll stick with my way of doing things.

Chris Snott - you're still a dick head I see!!

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« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2016, 04:49:04 pm »
Where are the after pics?
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« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2016, 04:53:01 pm »
I've heated it all now ! Secret society of pressure washers...... Hate to think what the initiation is! Didn't you try to join once Chris ?  Come on spill the beans , what do you have to do?

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« Reply #68 on: September 04, 2016, 06:24:18 pm »
Just packing up and missed a bit is all. If you know the layout you will know there's a flat roof behind him . Oh to be as perfect as you!
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« Reply #69 on: September 04, 2016, 06:26:29 pm »
And as you know if you looked at the pics a scaffold in front
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« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2016, 06:38:17 pm »
Throwing a hose over the roof if a remember right . Not working on the roof , doing gum removal and accessing water
So to throw a hose aver the roof you would harness up would you?
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« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2016, 06:42:02 pm »
You clearly offer a professional service, have a good client base and have the kit to make it happen.

Get rid of those two pictures off your website, there's another with an extending lance and 12 inch FSC, fella stood on the roof. No harness.

If I can find them on your website so can potential clients.

I don't take those chances because I look at it like someone is always watching.

I need water - poop it's too far away. What do I do?

I buy enough hose to supply the van tank from the tap.

I run with 80 metres and then about 150 metres of high pressure hose, if that wasn't long enough I'd get more of each.

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« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2016, 06:43:37 pm »
HSE would see the moment - they wouldn't give you any slack and you know that.

If he fell you're liable. No debate

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« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2016, 06:53:37 pm »
That's true, but I think if we all covered ever instance we would never get anything done . I live and work in the really world and we may not be perfect but we do our best. 16 years with no claims or accidents can't be to bad , but who knows what tomorrow may bring.
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« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2016, 06:57:38 pm »
Your right about the pics as well. I leave the website stuff to others . I guess ive got lazy . Thanks for Bringing  it to my attension
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« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2016, 07:00:13 pm »
I'm taking the posts down. Give me a minute

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« Reply #76 on: September 04, 2016, 07:06:20 pm »
Cheers I appreciate that
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« Reply #77 on: September 04, 2016, 07:13:01 pm »
Charlie

You've got the kit. There might be a  need to call you up in the future. I do a lot of work down your way.

I only offer advice from my experience and that's all I've ever done.

There seems to be a 'general' bandwagon on here that people jump on, doing their best to shoot it down.

The 'secret group' was no more than a few disenfranchised guys who got fed up of all the unnecessary stuff, as has been the case on this post and that got up peoples noses so they left. They now talk among themselves on Whatsapp but because of that the forum lost good people who had done the work and built their businesses and were happy to offer solid answers to questions asked.

Roger - what he didn't know about wood restoration wasn't worth knowing.

I offered advice it got swallowed up with the 'usual' replies.

I can live with that. I'm neither in the group or out of it but I have a lot of useful connections with the guys and get on with them.

Cleanitup would be a better place if it wasn't anonymous and we could see where the advice was coming from.




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« Reply #78 on: September 04, 2016, 07:31:27 pm »
I understand completely and appreciate you taking me to task on those pics. I've removed them now.
I've followed you on this forum and Roger on another and your right when  it comes to wood his number one , by chance I found out recently we share the same mechanic. If you ever need a hand or some equipment  only to happy to help out . Good to make your acquaintance
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« Reply #79 on: September 04, 2016, 08:06:32 pm »
I think the main problem with any type of forum there will be members that get fed up and move on for whatever reason. Maybe they think others are beneath them so go off and form their own secret little group who knows.

Regards to your post "I've just cleaned this..." and your replies to people asking questions etc. I'm sure they can make their own mind up the way you have replied and why you really found the need to post it in the first place.

I'm sure you are very good at what you do but a bit of humility may not go a miss either.

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« Reply #80 on: September 04, 2016, 08:16:01 pm »
Personally Rob I don't think you have a clue what you are doing and you are running on borrowed time. Your working practices are sketchy to say the least and the advice you offer is utter rubbish.
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« Reply #81 on: September 04, 2016, 10:20:53 pm »
I'm crying here.

How will I get through tomorrow.

My clients & my wife  are the people I prove myself to. They are both happy.

Two individuals, one who has to hide behind anonymity but really after 6000 posts has nothing to say or contribute & the other one who I have never had anytime for  - their opinions really aren't significant enough to bother me.

Sleep well

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« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2016, 04:11:48 pm »
Smurf

I'll help you out here  - you seem to have removed a post, something about 'something doesn't add up and whether I have the kit - about right?

I welcome you to come and say hello, have a look at my set ups, my kit in my unit, what I've got going on, have a chat about how I work, why I work the way I do, show you some paperwork.

I've just had an email from Bryco so my Lombardini head set is being delivered to the garage tomorrow for fitting hopefully this week, so the H & M will be fully working, with heat at the latest next week.

You can have a go on the ICM Contractor, get out the dry steam chewing gum removal stuff.

I don't know if you drink coffee but I'll drive you down to the house and make you a top coffee. I can't do latte art but I don't spoil a good bean with any milk.

A genuine invite.