richywilts

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anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« on: January 11, 2013, 09:14:12 am »
following yesterdays situation i will be looking into van trackers if anyone has any link for companies in the north
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

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gewindows

Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2013, 10:03:53 am »
Why the North?


EandM

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2013, 10:07:40 am »

richywilts

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2013, 10:26:55 am »
Why the North?



just incase i had to drive south to have it installed just signed up to a company called pinpointers 12month contract free installation only 18.99 per month

http://www.webvehicletracking.com/index.htm
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

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www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

Gav Camm lammy 283

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 11:02:04 am »
Trouble wiv m8 wilts???
LET YOUR PANES BE MY PLEASURE

"If CALSBERG did WINDOW CLEANING
 it would be C.C.C  Probably the best WINDOW CLEANERS IN THE WORLD ..........."

gewindows

Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 12:00:35 pm »
Why the North?



just incase i had to drive south to have it installed just signed up to a company called pinpointers 12month contract free installation only 18.99 per month

http://www.webvehicletracking.com/index.htm


Fair enough. Hadn't thought of that. ;-)

Pokerpest

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 02:53:23 pm »
Are you sure tracking the vehicle is the best option and have you notified your employee in writing?

I only ask because I come from an electrical maintenance background and I used to be "on call" a lot each morning I was detailed a portion of work to do deemed suitable for the day and I was left to to work through it. As time went on I became better at my job and was able to do these jobs quicker meaning I was sometimes able to get home by 2.30 - 3.00 and I was always paid to 5pm but it also meant if I was asked to do overtime even though it was done before 5pm I was paid the overtime rate and was always available and as a company we rarely had complaints about work not being done in a reasonable time.

Then in a shake up one of the maintenance engineers was made line manager and the first thing he insisted was we had trackers put in the vans but this was not mentioned to the workforce and when an engineer had his van in for PSV a tracker was fitted without his knowledge. A few weeks later he was pulled into a disciplinary and disciplined for lack of accuracy on his time sheets he quit his job and pursued the company for constructive dismissal as he was the only engineer tracked and disciplined he won his case and substantial damages (20k+).
The result of this disciplinary was the rest of the engineers had trackers fitted. So now the engineers are in a predicament were that job they have been booking 2 hours at but really only spending 1 hour at has to take 2 hours so they spend 1 hour on the job and 1 hour drinking tea on the phone at the shop etc to make up the 2 hours and this goes on every job so the day is filled and the tracker is correct to the time sheet. Now when it the question of overtime comes around well the engineers are now reluctant  to do any as they actually have to stay late on the job and sit outside the allocated time. Needless to say the overtime stopped completely so the company is out of pocket. Each job was priced and there was app £80 profit on each overtime job after wages and not including part markup so 8 engineers were doing app 2 a day overtime which was 80 jobs a week or £6400 which was no longer getting completed. They have since I left restricted the use of the trackers and not a bit of wonder.

So tracker not always the solution.

tompoole

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2013, 08:35:15 pm »
Skytag can track all your vans live

Ben wood

Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2013, 08:49:03 pm »
Why does he need to give notice and have a discussion about it. There his bloody vans he can do what he want. Remember richy they work for you not the other way round, if they dont like it give them there p45. If the decent and honest workers they wont care one bit whether they have trackers, some of you are so soft no wonder you have problems employing people.

Pokerpest

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2013, 09:24:24 pm »
He has to tell them because it is illegal to track someone without their consent. What year do you think it is? in this day and age weather you like it or not your workers have rights and if you decide to just "give him his P45" you may find yourself paying out damages if you don't give your worker his rights.

Ben wood

Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2013, 09:28:52 pm »
Workers have very little rights unless they been there for more than two years. And yes he has to let them know but that is all. And he could of p45 him there and then for gross misconduct eg finishing before he was meant too and sitting in thevan for 45 mins chatting instead of doing what he was asked

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2013, 09:45:35 pm »
If you are needing to track your vans you seriously need too take a look at your business. This is crazy.

Pokerpest

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2013, 09:48:04 pm »
Your workers have the right to claim for unfair dismissal if they have been working with you for over a year unless employed after April 2012 were that time is now 2 years. That aside an employer still has to follow the disciplinary procedure set out in the workers contract of employment all of which must should be for the good of the employer recorded in writing.

An initial meeting to discuss with the employee the incident the disciplinary is to be about informal

A formal meeting with the employee which he can attend with a colleague or union rep were he gets to give his side of the story minutes keeping is suggested  

An investigation and further meeting if the investigation should throw up any more unanswered questions.

A decision made by management

A meeting with the employee to discuss the decision

The opportunity for the employee to appeal the decision
 

richywilts

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2013, 09:53:46 pm »
If you are needing to track your vans you seriously need too take a look at your business. This is crazy.

if u use the tracking system it can be used in other way tracks mileage and tells u how much fuel shud be gettin used

watch this video it not just about catching ur employees out

http://www.webvehicletracking.com/vehicle-tracking-videos.htm
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

richardwiltshire36@yahoo.co.uk
www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

colin purewater

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 10:08:57 pm »
This is how it goes

"Morning lads I've had trackers put on my vans"

End of


You Lot get carried away in here, over complicate thing for other
 people
He only asked for a tracking company not a
Kangaroo court

Civil rights blah blah blah

Mrs gives your grief and you come in here on ye soap box
Enjoy ye Friday night booze and grow a pair
keep it simple

bobplum

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 10:28:41 pm »
He has to tell them because it is illegal to track someone without their consent. What year do you think it is? in this day and age weather you like it or not your workers have rights and if you decide to just "give him his P45" you may find yourself paying out damages if you don't give your worker his rights.

rubbish..your tracking the vehicle not the person
you do not have to give notice or discuss the employers are quite within there rights

gewindows

Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2013, 10:51:41 pm »
This is how it goes

"Morning lads I've had trackers put on my vans"

End of


You Lot get carried away in here, over complicate thing for other
 people
He only asked for a tracking company not a
Kangaroo court

Civil rights blah blah blah

Mrs gives your grief and you come in here on ye soap box
Enjoy ye Friday night booze and grow a pair

 ;D ;D Nice one.

Pokerpest

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 11:13:22 pm »
He has to tell them because it is illegal to track someone without their consent. What year do you think it is? in this day and age weather you like it or not your workers have rights and if you decide to just "give him his P45" you may find yourself paying out damages if you don't give your worker his rights.

rubbish..your tracking the vehicle not the person
you do not have to give notice or discuss the employers are quite within there rights


Fair enough you are tracking the van try so when the van is not where it should be are you going to discipline it?
If you dont inform your employee you are invading his privacy

http://www.expertmarket.co.uk/privacy-policies-vehicle-tracking-uk-guide

CleanClear

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 11:36:05 pm »
just signed up to a company called pinpointers 12month contract free installation only 18.99 per month

http://www.webvehicletracking.com/index.htm

Thats a shame. If you had given each van a smartphone which are very cheap now you could of joined them onto google latitude and done that for free.
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Pokerpest

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2013, 11:43:20 pm »
Smartphone tracking is only viable when its turned on

Ian101

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2013, 12:25:09 am »
http://www.quartix.co.uk/index.asp?gclid=CIC1h-_G4bQCFcjKtAodIAoA3Q

used to part time at nichol hughes frozen foods in chester when i first started out window cleaning ... all of their vans with this company ... good system

gavinb

Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2013, 05:14:21 am »
Id turn the tracker off lol .

Dave Mills

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2013, 07:41:55 am »
He has to tell them because it is illegal to track someone without their consent. What year do you think it is? in this day and age weather you like it or not your workers have rights and if you decide to just "give him his P45" you may find yourself paying out damages if you don't give your worker his rights.

rubbish..your tracking the vehicle not the person
you do not have to give notice or discuss the employers are quite within there rights


Fair enough you are tracking the van try so when the van is not where it should be are you going to discipline it?
If you dont inform your employee you are invading his privacy

http://www.expertmarket.co.uk/privacy-policies-vehicle-tracking-uk-guide


With your argument style youre going to fit in here just right.

In the thread - http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=163822.msg1369243#msg1369243 - that started all this I said "tell them".  Not because of any law but because its (a) the decent thing to do and (b) gives them the knowledge that they can no longer take the mickey.  Thats what hes trying to achieve, so not telling them would be counterproductive.

"Im fitting a tracker on your van.  This means Im going to be able to look at your journeys through the day. Here it is in writing."

Wow, that was hard.

Dave Mills

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2013, 07:42:56 am »
Anyway, its richywilts so it wont happen.  Hell be dealing with another weird problem or business remodelling plan tomorrow.

Pokerpest

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2013, 09:48:32 am »
Id turn the tracker off lol .

its a pain to turn off as you have to lift the dash to access it

pncleaning

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2013, 01:28:42 pm »
Can you not just get a satnav with a tracking system??? ;)
I am just trying to save your hard earned cash Ritchy  ;D ;D ;D

Simon@ Clearview contractors

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2013, 07:59:35 pm »
Hi Richy, I bought one of the trackers from ebay a couple of years ago when 1 of my former workers was taking the P in the van.   I think they are a godsend for peace of mind but you do find yourself checking up a lot.

The one I had fitted is in a carrier bag in the garage as I scrapped the van in the end, If you're serious about getting 1 give me a quick buzz and we'll sort a fair price out for it.  By the way this runs by calling the number which calls off and send a sms straight back to you within 5 secs.  It was accurate to about 10 meters.

Simon

Pokerpest

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2013, 09:44:20 am »
If going the tracker route then you may as well but a decent one trackers nowadays not only track the van they allow you to plan van maintenance as they record mileage, track your vans speed, plot fuel consumption, time van idling and alert you to route deviations. Newer trackers can all now be accessed through a smart phone a friend of mine who is a manager of a small haulage company has his vehicles tracked and his phone will alert him if-
His drivers are reaching their divers hours
His drivers are consistently exceeding the speed limit
Excessive idling
His drivers deviate by more than 5 miles of the planned route
His lorry's are coming up to service mileage
Any of his vehicles go to an employees house

As you can see he doesn't need to constantly spy on his workers when the tracker does it for him and all of his employees know if one of them alerts pop up and its not something planned through work their phone is going to ring and ask them to attend his office next time they are in the yard.

Thing is they are all well aware of the trackers etc but must be unaware that phones work in other country's because when we went on holiday in the first 2 days he got about 5 alerts and had to phone and warn his employees not to try and pull the wool just because he was on holiday and they would have to explain themselves once he returned.
 

Rogue Trader

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2013, 07:39:07 pm »
i would like to install trackers to my vans but at £18 per van per month it is an expensive luxury , if there is a cheaper way than this i would definately do it , civil right to drivers indeed!!!! Notify the drivers in writing .. haha as if!! my vans my business my data ...LOL

But if anyone knows a cheaper option i would be very interested.

richywilts

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2013, 08:38:59 pm »
i would like to install trackers to my vans but at £18 per van per month it is an expensive luxury , if there is a cheaper way than this i would definately do it , civil right to drivers indeed!!!! Notify the drivers in writing .. haha as if!! my vans my business my data ...LOL

But if anyone knows a cheaper option i would be very interested.

the thing is tho i think 18 quid a month is cheap if for me your staff have been skiving for an hour a day 2 men in a van £14 per hour x 5 days is £70 this will soon cut down, also any unneeded journeys will be reduced, fuel consumption will reduce as i allow staff to take vans home which will be stopping.

its a cost of about 75p a day, your insurance will also come down another saving
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

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www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

Rogue Trader

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2013, 10:00:40 pm »
i can see your need for trackers is different from mine. My vans all earn a percentage of the work that they do so if they are skiving they are not earning, they all come back to the yard at night except in special pre arranged circumstances. My need for a tracer is just to eep more in control of my business and to have a handle on where they are and when , cctv monitors there comings and goings at base but i would like to see how they plan their route daily as 2 of them use sat navs only and i suspect (though they will never admit) that they are doing more miles per day than they need to

richywilts

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2013, 11:08:16 pm »
benefits are also u can type in customer addresses etc and prove u have been there and print off etc
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

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www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

davids3511

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Re: anyone know of any cost effective van trackers
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2013, 11:53:52 pm »
Hide a cheap android phone in each van running my tracs. Check it each evening and youwill see the whole route taken that day.