davep

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Re: M Power
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2007, 07:45:16 pm »
Dont fancy telling a Custy it keeps working for 14 days..  Takes away the enviromental and residue free aspect away?  :o

carpetguy

Re: M Power
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2007, 08:16:16 pm »
Good point Dave, but I suspect it will only work when en element of water is added. This is not unique, there is a product, which behaves in a similar fashion, that's been around for many years.

John Kelly

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Re: M Power
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2007, 09:01:35 pm »
This product I believe as with other coloidal cleaners will go on working for extended periods.
However this will only occur when there is water available. So the product will go on working until the carpet is dry.

Steve Chapman

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Re: M Power
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2007, 11:24:36 pm »
In my opinion if the areas under sofas and beds are not too soiled then a spray and agitation will be sufficient but extraction will be needed on the rest.
Cheers Goron
so where does the dirt go if it's not extracted?

steve

Matt Lindus

Re: M Power
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2007, 12:17:11 am »
Cant see any problem with doing that, its only glorified water.

garyfindlay

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Re: M Power
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2007, 01:34:42 am »
who leaves carpets damp for 14 days!!!!!!

CARPET KNIGHTS

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Re: M Power
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2007, 08:40:26 am »
Steve obviously it will still be there but in an encapsulated state by the matrix. This all biodegrades in 14 days. I'm no scientist but have researched quite extensively and this is what happens the americans have been using a similar product to clean contaminated soil where they have been transporting there waste overseas to third world countries.

Cheers Goron

Matt Lindus

Re: M Power
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2007, 01:14:31 pm »
Goran,

Sound like b*** s*** to me old mate.

CARPET KNIGHTS

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Re: M Power
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2007, 01:45:49 pm »
Matt if you believe that m power is just water and you are drinking the water that you believe it resembles then that is exactly the comment that i would expect you to come up with.

Cheers Goron

jbcleaning

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Re: M Power
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2007, 01:51:16 pm »
Goran,

Sound like b*** s*** to me old mate.

I agree  :)

CARPET KNIGHTS

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Re: M Power
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2007, 01:59:06 pm »
You are entitled to your opinion but what i have written is based on facts which you also will learn if you were to research the product properly!

Cheers Goron

murky

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Re: M Power
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2007, 02:00:52 pm »
Go on Goron give 'im some.

Art

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Re: M Power
« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2007, 02:14:23 pm »
You are entitled to your opinion but what i have written is based on facts which you also will learn if you were to research the product properly!

Cheers Goron


Goron, where can i read these facts?Soil being encapsulated in a matrix and left in the carpet indefinately sounds a bit far fetched.

Arthur

AquaMagic

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Re: M Power
« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2007, 02:55:13 pm »
Does sound far fetched doesnt it, but instead of knocking something you havent tried why not give it a go first, im sure your opinions will be seen as more worthy if you have acctually tried it rather than speculating about it.  Its like saying that new Pizza at Pizza hut is horrible without ever taking a bite.

How would you feel if a member of the public went round saying that you are a crap cc even though they have never met you or used your services?....same thing surely?

Dene

Art

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Re: M Power
« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2007, 03:01:49 pm »
Does sound far fetched doesnt it, but instead of knocking something you havent tried why not give it a go first, im sure your opinions will be seen as more worthy if you have acctually tried it rather than speculating about it.  Its like saying that new Pizza at Pizza hut is horrible without ever taking a bite.

How would you feel if a member of the public went round saying that you are a crap cc even though they have never met you or used your services?....same thing surely?

Dene

Thanks for your comments. I have tried it   ;)

I wasn't questioning it's cleaning abilites, it was the encapsulation in the matrix bit that i was asking about.
If it does leave the soil encapsulated as Goron claims, then your leaving soil behind in the carpet?Not really very professional if your walking away from jobs knowing that there's still soil there, even if it's encapsulated.

Arthur

AquaMagic

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Re: M Power
« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2007, 03:44:52 pm »
My apologies Art if i included you in my generisation.  I agree its far better to extract and so does the supplier, i personally wouldnt just spray and leave, but if the customer is pushing the vac round once a week maybee this isnt the worst thing in the world.  Ive never used encap but wonder if the people that do have to ask thier custy to extract by oovering?

Dene

CARPET KNIGHTS

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Re: M Power
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2007, 03:57:35 pm »
got this from a site about these types of cleaners:

4.  The fourth is the matrix structure that active-colloids form in the working environment. It helps to suspend and stabilize any types of emulsions, thus preventing the sedimentation of suspended materials. In the cleaning application it helps to prevent the redeposition of soil back on the cleaning surface.  Since the colloids simply penetrate into soil and stir things up, their design is like no other cleaner and will continue to work as long as there is moisture to work with.

 

5.  The fifth is the porosity of active colloid particles which trap/absorb the particles suspended in media and hold them and render them inert. 

All of these factors plus many others make our technology unique and extremely successful. They are utilized in a variety modern day applications as a cleaner, remediation agent, scouring agent, degreaser, laundry washing detergent, aircraft cleaner, pesticide dispenser, oil spills cleaner, deodorizer, and much more.



Ken Wainwright

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Re: M Power
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2007, 04:24:34 pm »
From the discussions I have had with Solution UK and others, M Power will continue to work for upto 3 days. It is claimed to be fully biodegradeable in 14 days. I can see where the confusion comes from regarding people thinking it continues to work for 14 days.

In the case of wool carpet yarn, wool will retain approx. 30% of it's own weight in water and still feel dry. For it to return to it's pre-cleaned state of "dryness" will typically take about 48 hours, even if cleaned well with a high powered truckmount.  It is possibly this characteristic of wool's moisture retention that allows the colloidal cleaning process to continue for several days.  I suspect that a low moisture retention fibre such as olefin/polypropylene (0.4%) would not perform so well with this post-clean cleaning characteristic.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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AquaMagic

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Re: M Power
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2007, 04:29:46 pm »
Ken do you think that this is why we seem to get a better result on wool even bofore we have left?

Dene