[davep]

What are the (if any) differences with these machines?

[Richard Cole]

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Cant' comment on Enforcer but highly recommend the Storm, mines coming up to 3 years old now and no major problems and does sterling work.

[Chris waters]

The enforcer looks like a good machine but my storm is great

[stuart_clark]

The Enforcer has a built in heater and can be left out in the rain

[Carpet Dawg]

The Enforcer has a built in heater and can be left out in the rain

can be left out in the rain? really?

[john martin]

The Enforcer has a built in heater and can be left out in the rain

can be left out in the rain? really?

I frequently leave it out in light rain or a sudden shower  ... but i dont tempt fate for the sake of proving its water proof ... if its torrential rain i have a 10 euro barbecue cover from lidl with doubles as its loading sheet for under it . 

[davep]

I see the enforcer has 5.7 vacs and storm 6.6?

[carpet_care]

Dave youve seen my storm van mounted loads of times just by the flippin thing and stop dithering 

[scrubbitt]

I have had the enforcer now for a couple of months
Well impressed

[davep]

What vac motors you got?

[scrubbitt]

5.7

[davep]

Do these give same power as 6.6s?

[john martin]

Do these give same power as 6.6s?

Its quite difficult to make comparisons as the storm uses two stage motors in parallel and the Enforcer uses three stage motors in series ...  could talk figures all night but no conclusion would be drawn .
Best to ask owners who have tried both machines which they found the best power wise .

[Carpet Dawg]

The Enforcer has a built in heater and can be left out in the rain

can be left out in the rain? really?

I frequently leave it out in light rain or a sudden shower  ... but i dont tempt fate for the sake of proving its water proof ... if its torrential rain i have a 10 euro barbecue cover from lidl with doubles as its loading sheet for under it . 

Oh well, no offense but hardly a claim of it being waterproof!  I've always left my machines out in slight rain, everything from the steampro, to the perfectheat to my airflex's. But I do have a cover for it that I use just so it doesn't get soaked.

[Carpet Dawg]

Do these give same power as 6.6s?

I've not used the enforcer so cant comment on that but the 6.6's defiantly out last the 5.7's from my experience. I had those in my previous machines including the Airflex pro, and I was changing vacs every 500 - 600 hours (which is a busy year). Its been 2 years now with the Storm and TOUCHING WOOD!!! they are still sucking strong.

I've used up to 75 feet  of 2inch hose and the noise and suction you get at the wand is very impressive.

[john martin]

The Enforcer has a built in heater and can be left out in the rain

can be left out in the rain? really?

I frequently leave it out in light rain or a sudden shower  ... but i dont tempt fate for the sake of proving its water proof ... if its torrential rain i have a 10 euro barbecue cover from lidl with doubles as its loading sheet for under it . 

Oh well, no offense but hardly a claim of it being waterproof!  I've always left my machines out in slight rain, everything from the steampro, to the perfectheat to my airflex's. But I do have a cover for it that I use just so it doesn't get soaked.

They dont really claim its waterproof  ....  showerproof .  The switch panel is recessed and sheltered  ...   unlike the Airflex  with its switches exposed to the elements 

[Carpet Dawg]

It does have plastic thing around the buttons and a rubber thing around the buttons.

[john martin]

It does have plastic thing around the buttons and a rubber thing around the buttons.

 wouldn't trust them long in the rain though  ... the enforcer has more going on on its switch panel  , its best to have them out of the rain . 

[Russ Chadd]

I have an enforcer and have previously owned a jag and Airflex turbo and prowler.
The enforcer IS a great machine... The new 5.7 motors are very powerful and offer great performance.
Forget van mounting... Take but seconds to slide off the van and wheeled to the point of cleaning... Use it as a porty and you will be glad you chose it...
As for 6.6 motors... I know for a fact that certain manufacturers of macines are now using electro 5.7 and not 6.6

[carpet_care]

Russ it doesnt make sense to take it off the van ! I used to have the prowler and have the storm set up exactly the same feeding from a 400 litre water tank and it has the bonus of remote control so no need to go out to the van when needing to stop to change tools or to empty the water tank.

If the enforcer is as powerful as the storm there should be no reason why that calnt be set up the same way.

I have ninja machines as back up but would certainly not go back to lugging the machine off the van and filling buckets on every job.

[CleanerCarpets]

how does the auto pump out work on the Airflex Storm? could it be fitted to the Airflex Turbo?

[Radek Jablonski]

There is no pump out.
Just a gravity valve. When the machine works valve closes, when stops then is opening and the waste tank is emptying.
Van mounting makes sense only when fresh water and waste water tanks are fitted as well. 
When i swith off the storm then is emptying itself through that waste water pipe with the valve on the end.

[stuart_clark]

I dont see the point of van mounting a porty, if you want to go down that route buy yourself a proper Truck mount !

[davep]

Point is no buckets.

[Russ Chadd]

Russ it doesnt make sense to take it off the van ! I used to have the prowler and have the storm set up exactly the same feeding from a 400 litre water tank and it has the bonus of remote control so no need to go out to the van when needing to stop to change tools or to empty the water tank.

If the enforcer is as powerful as the storm there should be no reason why that calnt be set up the same way.

I have ninja machines as back up but would certainly not go back to lugging the machine off the van and filling buckets on every job.

Each to their own... van mounting means carrying more water, more hoses using more room up in the van and longer electrical cables... Plus the longer hoses WILL have an effect on performance especially over 100'
The easy load design of the enforcer allows me to load and unload real quick, if I need direct water feed I just use the customers garden hose.
I never use more than 75' of hose... Having the machine near also allows me to monitor foam build up in the waste tank.

[CleanerCarpets]

can i get the valve for the Turbo?

when i called Cleansmart a few months ago they said drain out wasnt compatible with the Turbo but i cant see why when the casing is the same

[Radek Jablonski]

Russ, in not many situation you will use more then 75' of hose or even less when more then 100.
I am using usually 50-75' of hose, very somethimes 100.
And van mounted does not mean you can not off load it.
It is just much faster work, more convinience to customer. All i do in their kitchen is to get few liters of warm water. No noise in their house and much more...
I am sicking when i need to remove the machine and need to employ the buckets.
Usually when you need to run more then 100' then the site is just not suitable for truck mount.

[Paul Dunkley]

What watertank do you have and have you set a pump from van electrics where did you get the setup sounds interesting

[JandS]

With Russ on this one....can't see point in van mounted...just about every disadvantage there is in it.
Last job yesterday would have needed 30 foot just to reach door...extension cable running out....extra distance to turn on and off.

[Radek Jablonski]

Jands, with a short cable there is a problem
Distance to turn off and on does not exist with storm and his remote.
It is all about organising yourself.

[stuart_clark]

You can have a remote with any machine ! It aint rocket science
you can buy plug in remotes from B&Q for 9.99

[JandS]

Your extending your hose run so decreasing your vac power.
Your clogging your van up with waste and water tanks.

[Radek Jablonski]

Your extending your hose run so decreasing your vac power.
Your clogging your van up with waste and water tanks.

Stop repeating the bs that tms are saying.

[JandS]

It's not bs it's the truth.....you are clogging up the van with tanks...fact.
You are reducing your vac efficiency by increasing your hose runs...fact.

[Radek Jablonski]

It's not bs it's the truth.....you are clogging up the van with tanks...fact.
You are reducing your vac efficiency by increasing your hose runs...fact.

Do.not mean the fact
Simply saying to the above - SO WHAT?
Water tanks in the van makes me more efficient, machine mounted more efficient again.
A bit less vacum? Be real! What difference in your cleaning does it make? Nearly nothing.
Last week had to remove the machine to do few offices in the city. 4,5 hrs job which i could do in max 2.5hrs when van mounted. Nobody will tell me that there is anything wrong mounting your machine.

[JandS]

How can you knock 2 hours off a job just because your van mounted???

[Radek Jablonski]

How can you knock 2 hours off a job just because your van mounted???

Just try

But seriously, no access to water close to the machine.
Normally i would say at least 1.5 hrs faster it could be if no problem with water. Unloading the stuff, filling and emptying, packing stuff, mostly hoses with no reels, it all takes time.

[stuart_clark]

Radek

you do what you wantwith your porty mate, me I cant see the point in having it truck mounted ! If I was looking to clean that way I would have a petrol truck mount, but after nearly twenty five years of using portys I find it hard to change


Stuart

[Radek Jablonski]

Stuart, if i will have too much work that will not be able to do inside 6-8hrs day work then i would get tm.

[stuart_clark]

Radek

you are dead right mate, get the work then the equipment ! You should start another topic purely with that headline ! Lol