[Amberleyandmick]

ive just been on e-bay and read a add by a cc creating a new cc organisation..  I keep my insurance certificate and training coarses certs in my van . on a few occasions i have been asked to prove insurance( a medical centre for one) but never been asked if i am a member of a national organisation, ncca for instance. As a carpenter i was in the guild of master craftsmen-apart from a nice sticker for van  i dont think it did anything for me. We did plan to join ncca at some point in near future- but im now starting to ask myself what the benefits would beand if its worth spending more money. I am getting jobs by reccomendation now and think i am building a good reputation for doing a very good job..  know the offical response is to keep cowboys out . But i feel a good sign written van,business cards,quotes on headed paper proof of insurance  training etc gives customers confidence to use us.. if my thinking is wrong please tell me why?? thanks mick..

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Mick,

Some are believers , some are not.

I personally am not a member partly because I would have to sit a beginners CC course to get in.

Others have been members and left. 

There are also some strong advocates.

In reality I don't think it will affect your business either way whether you join or not. 

Cheers,

Doug

[Ian Gourlay]

I signed up to the British Professional Carpet Cleaners Association on Ebay

Unlike NCCA Prochem Courses or in my case Ashbys Courses will get you in.  Plus a valid insurance policy.

I believe that by insisting on this it helps to keep the so called Cowboys Out.

I cant remember if you have to have X yearsexperience.

Obviously at the moment it isa badge organization but if enough people join it could become as powerful as The NCCA.  And hopefully get some PR in Home Imptovement Mags etc and local press.   It helps to give you extra creditability in your advertising and voice messages Yellow Pages etc.

At present entry is Free, I have no idea if this is going to change.

However if The NCCA as prepared to change its entry rules perhaps there would be need for rival organizations.


Regretably if you have lost your certificates you might not be able to get in.

[Martin S]

but if enough people join it could become as powerful as The NCCA.  And hopefully get some PR in Home Imptovement Mags etc and local press.

And Pigs might fly one day Ian!!    :

However if The NCCA as prepared to change its entry rules perhaps there would be need for rival organizations.

What rules would you like them to change Ian?

[Art]

Ian,
 Did a search on ebay for British Professional Carpet Cleaners Association but nothing came up can you tell me where i can get some ifo please?

[Ian Rochester]

Just found it at:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Attention-Carpet-Cleaners-Carpet-Cleaning-Technicians_W0QQitemZ4404900438QQcategoryZ43015QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Ian Gourlay]

Martin S


There  was a very long debate on The Forums  about 9 month ago.

The NCCA listened.

We were told they were considering changes, nothing happened.

I do not want to start another debate as I personally do not want to knock NCCA


But if I could use one of your words if they were not some Pig headedthey could have a much wider experienced membership

[Barry Pearce]

Mick. the fly in the oinment could be? The shamefull way that the insurance company's as a whole have rode roughshod over the ideals of almost every trade association, take just the NCCA, you cannot be a member without have valid insurance, now, what support has the insurance company's given to this mandatory rule?  or any other bona-fidi trade association for that matter. Or is it the fault of the NCCA and others for not tackling the insurance company's head on?
Barry

[neil 47]

Never been asked for my insurance.
Never been asked what qualifies me to clean carpet.
Never been asked what association I belong to.
only once been asked how I would clean the carpet.

I’ve asked customers how their carpets were cleaned last time, couldn’t remember even thought turns out to be tuckmount (big thing) couldn’t remember firms name 4 months later.

only had one customer ask for no chemicals husband a doctor.

conclusion

They want clean carpets at a fair price( what they think is a fair price).

once you given them this they stay with you for ever even recommending you to their friends (if they can remember you)
Figure the rest out yourselves

IAN don’t have such a low value off your abilities.
You don’t need a association to prove your good.
Make your own up everybody else dose

Neil   

[Ian Gourlay]

Neil,

I had no need to make my own up some one else did it for me.

Entry is similiar to NCCA

Reconized Training.  Not just NCCA

Insurance


Not sure about Code of Conduct but this is covered by Law anyway

[nick.solution]

Neil,

I had no need to make my own up some one else did it for me.

Entry is similiar to NCCA

Reconized Training.  Not just NCCA

Insurance


Not sure about Code of Conduct but this is covered by Law anyway

Ian

Code of conduct covered by law, can you explain that one!

Best regards Nick

[garyj]

We all bang on about you get what you pay for.

To join this is free.

  :

How many members?
How do they operate with no money?
WHO are they?
Why are they doing this?
What  have they done for you so far?

[tony harrison]

Hi,

Is anyone else having difficulty loggin on to www.fibre-care.co.uk

Regards Tony Harrison

[garyj]

Yep, can't access it, says page unavailable.

Gets worse doesn't it?

[Len Gribble]

Tony

Yes another Mickey Mouse out fit

Len

[tony harrison]

Looks like you are right Len

Regards Tony

[Ian Gourlay]

The Web Site was working last week.  From time to time all Web Sites Crash.


Perhaps talking about it on this Forum and ebay has caused to many hits.

The founder is Nathan Danks.

He explains his reasons on the web site.


You can agree or disagree.
What it becomes wold be up to Nathan to start with, hopefully with input from members as it grows.  The NCCA had to start somewhere.
If I remember correctly you had to have x years experience plus attended a reconized training course.

You have to send in proof. In fact I am in danger of being expelled as I have not sent in my proof, as I have been busy.

No funding concerns me, but there are many badge organizations that take your money and do nothing.


Nick what I meant was in the event of a dispute between Customer and member the Customer is governed by law.

Apart from joining I have no connection with the organization. But I am prepared to give it a chance to develop.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

To make it work members will be needed but only if they are good and practice what they preach, I wonder if the NCCA founder members all sat an exam to prove to each other that they knew there stuff?

Good on ya Ian, someone putting his money (or not) where his mouth is.

Shaun

[garyj]

Big fish, little pond springs to mind.

[Ian Gourlay]

I have emailed Nathan Danks the founder, and have asked him to pop in to cleanitup and answer some of your questions.