Solutions go detergent

« **on:** July 31, 2015, 06:07:52 pm »

Solutions have made a new prespray called Nitro for restorative cleaning and its a ... detergent. Bit of a shift from their normal dogma, I think I'm going to get some and give it a go.

« **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2015, 06:25:29 pm »

it looks very good actually, im going to give it a whirl, cheap as well, good dilution....................

« **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2015, 06:55:28 pm »

Ive ordered some...looks perfect for a full house bad EOT ive got coming up.

« **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2015, 07:45:20 pm »

are you guys all solutions disciples ?

« **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2015, 07:46:18 pm »

« **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2015, 07:51:26 pm »

Have you guys not heard of Chemspec and prochem?, been around for years.

« **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2015, 08:00:07 pm »

i use a lot of prochem and chemspec mate.................. always looking for something better, as we all do, dont we???

« **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2015, 09:09:41 am »

is this the same as rocker fuel??

« **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2015, 09:19:48 am »

Quote from: tim handley on July 31, 2015, 08:00:07 pm

i use a lot of prochem and chemspec mate.................. always looking for something better, as we all do, dont we???

If your a newbie maybe, but me personally, i know what works so i use it.

If however your a solutions fan then great, you can finally clean a minger,

« **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2015, 09:48:34 am »

hardly a disciple but i but i buy from them occasionally,
im also a restormate disciple,
a cleansmart disciple,
an alltec disciple,
i see no harm at all trying a new product, i once tried enzall as a new product, also ultimate master, surround ultra, dynamal, rocket fuel, powerburst etc etc
so now i carry a wide range of chemicals on board to try enable me to deal with any job im faced with, seems to be working well for me, especially on real mingers.........

« **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2015, 10:01:59 am »

tim, solutions isnt tacca member probably

just joking Derek

« **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2015, 11:41:40 am »

You still ruining carpets by agitating every single one of the regardless, instead of using professional judgement radek?

Just joking Radek

« **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2015, 12:12:02 pm »

Solutions did a detergent before shockwave so its not that off track , and ive used power burst,blitz,f90,um and tons more and shockwave is as good as any and cheap, never encountered any re-soiling issues on repeats ive done and only rinsed with plain water or some f90

« **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2015, 12:35:17 pm »

I'd be interested what the active ingredients is when you can dilute it in the 100-150 range, considering the great minds at Chemspec can only produce a prespray with a maximum. dilution of 35-1 range.

What is solution using that Chemspec don't know about?

« **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2015, 01:02:27 pm »

never tried shockwave...... better than um Neil??

« **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2015, 01:09:14 pm »

Quote from: Derek West on August 01, 2015, 11:41:40 am

You still ruining carpets by agitating every single one of the regardless, instead of using professional judgement radek?

Just joking Radek

always Derek, always

nick migh be an ........ , and yes he is, and his machines crap
but I rate his chems high, cant see different between his spm and pur clean and price much better etc.
spoters like mpower, pog, resolvit, spotsolve can not be bitten in many situation by any prochem or chemspec. Just my opininion and noone have to agree. Of course everyone need to have a range on spotters from few manufacturers as some work better in many situation.

« **Reply #16 on:** August 01, 2015, 01:32:30 pm »

Radek
Don't no you , but you talk a load of Crap!,
In 8 years had 1 vac motor go on my scorpion , now 2 years on my Jag has not missed a beat .

To me my solutions machine do what they built todo with no trouble.
You may have had trouble but majority of users have not

« **Reply #17 on:** August 01, 2015, 02:10:31 pm »

david if you rate your machine by the amount on engines changed then no way I am going to talk with you about solutions machines and having unnecessary battle here

« **Reply #18 on:** August 01, 2015, 02:40:28 pm »

Well the mention of a new product has certainly divided or.... reaffirmed some opinions.

I agree that there is never any harm in trying out new product otherwise we could be missing out on the next big advance. Looks like the next big advance may be a step back to detergent technology though.

« **Reply #19 on:** August 01, 2015, 04:38:47 pm »

Quote from: tim handley on August 01, 2015, 01:02:27 pm

never tried shockwave...... better than um Neil??

its Not better than um ,its a problem solver , and i havnt had to use it for a while as the carpets ive been cleaning have only needed Mpower or dynamall .

I have been using f90 bio solve with good results when used in conjunction with the other chems or on its own and must say its great stuff . a lot on here knock mpower but it works for me on most jobs and at 120/1 whats not to like

« **Reply #20 on:** August 01, 2015, 04:40:50 pm »

Solutions have been selling detergents for at least five years that I know of ! Bio blast in an enzyme isn't that a detergent ?

Stuart

« **Reply #21 on:** August 01, 2015, 07:04:16 pm »

Nobody has said what it says it does or how it's describe to work?

Steven are you allowed back on nicks forum?

Shaun

« **Reply #22 on:** August 01, 2015, 09:36:20 pm »

I really can not believe that so many of you can tell the difference between the products you use

Can you really tell the difference? if somebody was to pre spray with different products on same carpet and you didn't know which was which ,I doubt it very much !!! would even go as far as saying ,cleaning with hot water only you may not tell

Imho You get a good result with a product and You believe that's the product for you, similar to the placebo effect.

If I put it another way , your basically saying that carpet cleaning in the past didn't produce the results

as the latest products were not available. like.

Geoff

« **Reply #23 on:** August 01, 2015, 10:06:33 pm »

Did they say whats in this Nitro stuff ... i would guess main ingredient is one of the Ester solvents , 2-butoxyethanol or similar .
Then perhaps a dash of surfactant and one of the sodium salts .
All of these cleaning products are largely made form the same ( relativly small ) ingredient list .
Most Brands comparable products are so similar it makes little difference , as the previous post suggests .
Certain prespray ingredients might be more efficient in certain soiling conditions though .
Dilution rates are an arbitrary number imo .

« **Reply #24 on:** August 11, 2015, 09:34:40 pm »

Shockwave is a prespray and Ultimate Master is a rinse!!

« **Reply #25 on:** August 11, 2015, 10:18:24 pm »

Quote from: clive ware on August 11, 2015, 09:34:40 pm

Shockwave is a prespray and Ultimate Master is a rinse!!

Because ?

Like all these powders they are both mostly sodium carbonate and phosphate , they both have a small surfactant content ... and they both have a small solvent content . Shockwave has DPM ester as its solvent and UM has d-limonene as its solvent .
The other ingredients ... are they both suppose to have an enzyme content ? , and UM has an percarbonate content . Anything else , antifoam etc is of little relevence .

So both could be a prespray , in the care of UM you would have the solvent , surfactant , oxydizer ,enzymes all working during the dwell /agitation .

The percentage of solvent in both is pretty small , thats why you might use a dedicated prespray seperatly of combined in the mix with the powder to boost it . The concentration of the dedicated prespray would be greater .
I often prespray with UM ... but i do boost it as desired by adding citrus prespray ( d-limonene content )
and i also get an ester from mistral ( butyl glycol ) and bung it all in together for the bad stuff .