slb

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Loss of Keys Insurance
« on: April 09, 2008, 01:18:07 pm »
Hi,

Does anyone have Loss of Keys Insurance (limited company)?
How much do you pay?
Thanks

*Chris Browne

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2008, 01:24:52 pm »
Hi

I think you will get so many different prices from everyone its best really to shop around, there are quite a lot that specialise in this field of work, ive heard a lot of people mention Darwin Clayton in the past.

Chris

slb

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2008, 07:40:52 pm »
At the moment the cheapest was £1000

BDCS

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2008, 07:57:36 pm »
How much ? I hide spares under flower pots ??? ??? ??? ???

steve doyle

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2008, 09:38:33 pm »
At the moment the cheapest was £1000

blimey,

Just an idea but I would speak to a locksmith and find out the average cost of changing the locks in a house/premises before paying that,

If its only £200-300 (no idea about commercial premises myself) you can lose 4 keys a year before you are behind!


rob fryer

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2008, 11:18:13 am »
I have key loss and damage on my insurance (allied insurance).

Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2008, 12:06:23 pm »
Slb,

We can offer you cover for Loss of Customer's Keys under a Public Liability or Public & Employers Liability policy. This is limted to a maxium of £50,000 for any claim but is provided as standard.

We can also offer cover for loss of your own keys, eg van keys, car keys, house keys etc.  This is done on a specialist cover we have where you are given a key fob to attach to the keys.  On the fob is a number for the finder of the keys to call should they be found and the finder of the keys is given a £10 reward. 

If the keys aren't found, then the policy provides cover for replacement of the locks, with no excess to pay.   The cover costs £15 per fob (for the first fob) and £10 for each additional fob.  The maximum payment for any fob/set of keys lost is £1,000.

Please feel free to give us a call if you need any more info.

Regards


Mark Farrimond
Allied Insurance Services Ltd

Tel: 01942 40 33 70.


Robert Parry

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2008, 12:23:54 pm »
Slb,

As in all aspects of life, there is a right way of doing things, and a cheap way of doing things!

When a client awards you the cleaning contract, they rightly expect a good standard of service, value for money, and that you, on their behalf, act in a safe and proper legal manner, after all they have awarded you the contract because you are the expert!

Key loss, is not covered as standard on 95% of insurance policies, and as you have found out, there is of course an "additional premium" for this cover, however, the client would not be happy if you indeed did have the misfortune to mislay their keys.

Steve's suggestion maybe ok, at a push, providing the premises is a very small office, perhaps 5 or 6 people working in there, but any more than that, and I would insist on the cover.

Lots of buildings these days have fobs for the alarm, if you get say 10 or more employee's within the premises, thats an awful lot of fobs and keys to replace, 10+ locks, 10+ fobs, bit more than £1000:00 me thinks, as a matter of course, your client would have to inform their own insurers of the loss of keys, in case they invalidate their own insurance, in my opinion, they would not be interested in you saying"not covered by my own insurance/I havent got that kind of money"

Darwin Clayton, specialise in comprehensive insurance, certainly not cheap, but again you get what you pay for, and this sort of protection can be used as a selling point to your prospects, and as a way of fighting the cowboys out there.

Regards,

Rob
A world of difference....

Fox

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2008, 02:53:40 pm »
I agree with Rob, if we lost keys it would not just affect to locks but alarm systems too.  We use special risks uk and are insured up to 25k for a key loss claim, give them a google.

slb

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2008, 03:42:14 pm »
Thank you guys

Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2008, 06:09:34 pm »
Rob

If you lost the alarm fobs, wouldn't they just re-code the alarm and send out new fobs to the staff?  The cost would be probably less than £100.    The cost of the lock may be £300 and then 10 replacement keys, say £50.  You wouldn't be replacing 10 locks, just the 1.

It's an expense you wouldn't want to pay yourself but I am sure it would be less than £1,000.

I don't mean to sound argumentative, its just food for thought.

Regards

Mark

steve doyle

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2008, 07:50:42 pm »
Just to clarify my original post,

I dont deal with this sort of thing myself so am not "in the know" regarding what keys are entrusted and to how many doors etc. I was viewing it in a purely economic way from a limited view point. If you are entrusted keys which open multiple locks in a building (10+?)that would all need changing should you loose a set then it may well be better to seek insurance.

Key Insurance is used to limit your liability unlike car insurance where its a legal requirement. Therfore it may well for some people be cheaper to pay for lock changing every so often than to pay £1000 per annum on insurance.

If you lost one set in 3 years would the costs be more than £3000?

you get my point im sure,

 im not advocating sloppy business practice just that you may well be better off considering the risks and costs and weighing them up against a pretty steep premium.  As long as you can cover your liability yourself you may be better off in doing so, and your not being irresponsible.

Just one more option in our insurance obssessed country.

steve

Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2008, 08:49:59 pm »
Steve

I understand your point.  However, the £1,000 "slb" quoted earlier in this thread was for a quote for Public & Employers Liability Insurance including Loss of Keys Cover.  We have since provided him with a similar quote albeit cheaper.  That cost is variable depending on individual circumstances.

The £1,000 I mentioned was the sum insured per KeyCover policy we can offer (which is £15 to buy).  You attach a keyring fob to the keys and no matter what the keys open, house office, car etc the cost to replace the locks they do are covered for upto £1,000 should you lose those keys.  So, its a case of weighing up that cost (£15) against the likelihood of it happening.  You could never need the cover, as like a lot of insurances, but thats what insurance is for ultimately, taking the financial risk out of your hands.  Its certainly not a legal requirement, you are correct, its intended to lessen any financial burden on yourself or your buiness.   

We are happy to provide advice to any forum member whether you are insured with Allied or anyone else.  Feel free to ring or email, my address is in my profile. 

Regards

Mark 


steve doyle

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2008, 11:10:52 pm »
thanks mark,

I was refering to the original post which seemed to say key insurance was £1000. This i why i offered my alternative thoughts (it seemed very expensive to me and not really worth having).

I agree that £15 per fob seems alot more reasonable and would change the equation somewhat. At that sort of price to cover commercial premises i should think its an easy decision to make!


steve

Fox

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2008, 08:47:57 am »
Ok, please answer me a question if possible, if a cleaner lost keys and the company didn't have key loss cover then someone used the keys to access the building and disable the alarms then proceeded to steal computer equipment would they be covered? 

Personally my company has cover for every eventuality including leaving the building unsecured, key loss, items being worked on etc etc and the cost isn't that mega compared to the consequences should something happen.

Fox

Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2008, 09:14:19 am »
Fox,

Without key loss cover you wouldn't be covered and the cost to replace whatever was stolen would fall upon yourself/your business. 

When asking for Loss of Keys cover as an additional section to your Public Liability/Public & Employer's Liability policy make sure it provides cover for consequential loss.  Your have raised a very good point.  The cost of replacing the locks may only be minimal but the losses that occur from losing the keys could be substantial.

Regards

Mark

dianegreenwood

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2008, 09:39:53 am »
Hi Guys

Personally, I would consider loss of keys insurance an essential. 

I've just renewed my insurance policies, with public and employers liability, theft from customers homes, misuse of customers telephones, key loss and for cleaning treatments and its costing me under £650 for the year (with a £250 excess though), so if anyone wants to contact my broker please let me know and I'll put you in touch with him.

Kind Regards

Diane Greenwood

www.freshlymaid.co.uk

slb

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2008, 10:02:08 am »
Hi Diane Greenwood,

Can you please email me your brooker details.

Regards

Robert Parry

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2008, 12:47:58 pm »
Interesting thread!

Mark (Allied),

Your point could be considered a valid one, but most offices have more than 1 key! Lots of client's employee's also lock their own offices after work, so instead of 1 key and 1 fob issued to the cleaning firm, there is normally a bunch!

So an awful lot of the time, replacing one lock would not satisfy the clients insurers, the average price of changing a lock is £75+VAT, this does not include the main door, which sometimes is electronically controlled, which can very easily run into the hundreds!

Yes, it is normally only the fobs that need re-coding, but you can bet your bottom dollar, than this would cost more than just the re-coding fee charged by the alarm company, what about the clients time and costs, ensuring that all fobs are available on the first and only visit?

Fox, make a valid point also, its not quite as simple as replacing a lock, you do need to guard against illegal, but unforced entry, as Mark from Allied points out.


As already stated, for small offices only, with few employee's, perhaps you could take a considered risk, but anymore than that I would take out the cover.

Regards,

Rob
A world of difference....

dianegreenwood

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2008, 07:20:02 pm »
Hi slb

I've sent you an email

Kind Regards

Diane Greenwood

www.freshlymaid.co.uk

slb

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2008, 08:54:00 am »
Hi,
can you just ell me your brooker name and number.

Thank you

dianegreenwood

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2008, 12:21:13 am »
Hi there

I've got permission from him to post his details:

www.a1insurance.co.uk
or call Alan on 01937 581417

He'd be happy to talk to any cleaning companies looking for insurance.  Mention my name as he's a local business to me and it gets me brownie points :)

Cheers

Diane Greenwood

www.freshlymaid.co.uk

slb

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Re: Loss of Keys Insurance
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2008, 01:13:51 pm »
Thanks a lot .

Regards
Slb