david@zap-clean

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Hot/cold water Extraction
« on: June 09, 2014, 06:43:29 pm »
I've just ordered a replacement HWE portable (upgrading).
I've never used a magma heater before (or any form of rinse tank heating, apart from hot tap water).

Does 'steam cleaning' make much of an improvement with soil extraction/stain removal (on carpets)?
David @ ZapClean
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Simon Gerrard

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2014, 06:58:11 pm »
Hi Dave,
Heat makes a huge difference, especially when cleaning very dirty or stained carpets.

Simon

SteveAllan

Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2014, 07:11:12 pm »
What porty are you going for David?

david@zap-clean

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2014, 07:21:18 pm »
What porty are you going for David?
Storm 800psi + Magma.
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SteveAllan

Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2014, 07:35:24 pm »
Very nice  :)

adrian marsh

Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2014, 08:42:21 pm »
No such thing as "steam cleaning" David. You mean hot water extraction ;D

And as Simon says, yes, heat makes a difference, as you're about to find out.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2014, 09:10:09 pm »
I'm sure that Neil from barnsley has some videos on fb of him using a magma heater.

Shaun

Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2014, 09:29:40 am »
Hi David

How did you rug come up following its clean at TACCA day?

Rog
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Deep Cleaning Solutions

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2014, 09:35:08 am »
In my experience hot tap water is enough for most domestic jobs but on pub jobs with blacktop we always get the the water as hot as possible to produce steam and it makes a massive difference.
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david@zap-clean

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2014, 02:02:52 pm »
Hi David

How did you rug come up following its clean at TACCA day?

Rog
Hi Rog,

Absolutely great thanks - Dave Altomstone also managed to flush out the 'dye bleed' that I'd caused on my earlier attempt at cleaning it (HWE).  It's surprising, with the right attitude, and knowledge, how much you can achieve in this area (rugs).  The rug was on its way to the skip, but Sue's now put it back in the dining room :-)

I definitely owe Dave a favour.
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Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2014, 03:12:57 pm »
Really pleased to hear that.

It must have given you great confidence for when you are now cleaning other clients rugs in the future.

Rog
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Richard Cole

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2014, 03:27:12 pm »
What porty are you going for David?
Storm 800psi + Magma.

I have the same set up David and yes Magma does make a difference, as Adrian says its HWE though not "Steam" still can get pretty hot, must get round to making some video's.
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David MK Cleaning

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2014, 10:40:28 pm »
Steam makes a massive difference to pub/resturant carpet i find.
The cleaning results can be the same but the dirt i find is removed alot faster.

The video below is from a resturant with thick blacktop in places, put the steam on and it started to come off very quickly.

Only down fall is that in domestic job you will get very hot very fast so bring spare shirts and baby wipes  ;D
nothin worse than going to next job stinking lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS1odOutviI

david@zap-clean

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2014, 07:33:47 am »
The video below is from a resturant with thick blacktop in places, put the steam on and it started to come off very quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS1odOutviI

Wow... I've never marketed to pubs and restaurants before - I will now  ;D
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davep

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2014, 08:00:26 am »
I have been rinsing with cold water for the last 7 months. Not had any problems at all or missed the heat.

Saying that I've done no greasy restaurants.

neil 47

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2014, 08:10:16 am »
Dave here's some photos completed using a magma .

If you up your prices and don't do commercial you shouldn't need one but it does speed jobs up
IICRC

davep

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2014, 08:34:27 am »
I had lots of heat for 5 years but still don't notice any difference in the clean.


*Hector*

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 11:17:55 am »
Simon ... Dave is now in the 21st century... unlike some dinosaurs on here..  :P :P

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stuart_clark

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2014, 11:57:40 am »
Neil

one of your carpet pictures , the blue pattern one looks like a Belgian Wilton ?

neil 47

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2014, 03:42:19 pm »
 Well spotted It was a Belgian but I have no fear
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Simon Gerrard

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2014, 04:27:41 pm »
Simon ... Dave is now in the 21st century... unlike some dinosaurs on here..  :P :P

 ;D
Hector,
Stop putting yourself down like that >:(

peter maybury

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2014, 10:36:53 pm »
I am getting good results with Iced water and m.s.
Peter

jim mca

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2014, 06:16:35 pm »
I find using highland spring water makes for a better clean  ;D

*Hector*

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2014, 06:48:38 pm »
got to be the fizzy stuff though...  ;D
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Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2014, 08:11:51 pm »
Dave what extraction machine you cleaning with ?

On my previous tm both hx went I found that cold water cleaning didn't really get the rinse I wanted or the carpet texture as soft and fluffy and I thought it was damper.

Shaun

neil 47

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2014, 07:25:31 am »
I had lots of heat for 5 years but still don't notice any difference in the clean.

So you clean your clothes and dishes in cold water then .

Try washing your frying pan used in cold water and fairy it won't clean and some hot water and it cleans easy .

I do use cold but only on certain jobs
IICRC

Simon Gerrard

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2014, 08:04:23 am »
And... It is HOT water soil extraction systems we are using  :o

davep

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2014, 08:13:05 am »
Shaun I'm using prowler. Lads were not talking about clothes or frying pans.

Just an observation I've made over lsst few months.


*Hector*

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2014, 08:20:50 am »
Neil... next time you use the washing machine... check the temperature of the rinse water....  ;D
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davep

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2014, 09:00:32 am »
There is Simon but mine needs a repair. Not going to as will be replacing that machine soon. It's given me 6 years mostly 6 day weeks.

david@zap-clean

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2014, 10:25:08 am »
I had lots of heat for 5 years but still don't notice any difference in the clean.

So you clean your clothes and dishes in cold water then .

Try washing your frying pan used in cold water and fairy it won't clean and some hot water and it cleans easy .

I do use cold but only on certain jobs

Neil - yes, you will always get a better clean if you wash clothes/dishes etc in hot water.
...But, how long does the hot water stay hot when sprayed on the carpet?  Not long I think - so I'm unsure how much of an improvement it will make.  But I'll be finding out for myself soon enough.
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Simon Gerrard

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2014, 10:45:55 am »
Heat makes a massive difference when cleaning carpets. The heat just cuts through the dirt so much better than cold. Likewise, hot pre-sprays work a lot better than cold.

Simon

*Hector*

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2014, 11:58:32 am »
Heat makes a massive difference when cleaning carpets. The heat just cuts through the dirt so much better than cold. Likewise, hot pre-sprays work a lot better than cold.

Simon

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you should teach your custards not to fry eggs on the carpet..

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brianbarber

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2014, 08:50:56 am »
Hot per spray, hot water for extraction.
Love to see a cold water extraction on a naasty restaurant carpet....

Mr B
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neil 47

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2014, 09:11:57 am »
Run cold water over your used dinner plate and then hot.
 we all know which rinses it best so stop trying to convince your self cold is ok
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davep

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2014, 10:05:47 am »
Come out with me for a day Neil. I'll teach you how to clean carpets as your obviously more into dishes  ;)

*Hector*

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2014, 10:06:56 am »
Run cold water over your used dinner plate and then hot.
 we all know which rinses it best so stop trying to convince your self cold is ok

What the hell has a dinner plate got to do with carpets?
The washing analogy is nearest... and a washing machine rinses with COLD water...
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adrian marsh

Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2014, 10:40:46 am »
Run cold water over your used dinner plate and then hot.
 we all know which rinses it best so stop trying to convince your self cold is ok

What the hell has a dinner plate got to do with carpets?
The washing analogy is nearest... and a washing machine rinses with COLD water...

....."rinses with cold water"..........after a hot wash though. But this is a pointless argument, isn't it? We're cleaning carpets, which are normally done using CHAT (Unless you've been seduced by the fictitious rag cleaning with a rotary). However each situation will determine the best method to employ so, unless you only have one option, we'll all use whichever method will produce the best result. So David is adding another option which he will find is of far greater benefit than some other's.

*Hector*

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2014, 11:08:18 am »

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....."rinses with cold water"..........after a hot wash though

Quite right... but Neil was not talking about the wash.... he was talking about rinsing.....

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Unless you've been seduced by the fictitious rag cleaning with a rotary
Cheap insult at a verified cleaning method.. Just ask your Lord and master on the other forum..  ;D ;D
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adrian marsh

Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2014, 12:40:18 pm »
Wasn't intend as an insult Hector, cheap or otherwise. I too use LM when and where appropriate. We make our own decisions for our own business. And the only lord and master I have is the other half, at least when she tells me that is ;D

*Hector*

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2014, 12:50:26 pm »
Sorry Aidy... I sometimes get a bit touchy on a sunday morning...

 :-* :-*

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Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2014, 03:48:41 pm »
The washing machine debate is a non starter as most washing powders need heat to make them effective the cleaning cycle offers far more agitation and also a bigger washing machine will agitate and rinse far better the amount if people that come into our shop and will wait until the larger more expensive machine becomes available even joe public can see the difference.

Shaun

*Hector*

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2014, 04:23:21 pm »
I agree Shaun.... It does however hold more relevance than the dinner plate or frying pan comparison..
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Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2014, 04:39:03 pm »
What ever way you spin it (pun not intended) the anology of each is incorrect, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and as cleaning carpets is mostly visual it depends on how you perceive what clean is.

Shaun


davep

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*Hector*

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2014, 05:10:36 pm »
What ever way you spin it (pun not intended) the anology of each is incorrect, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and as cleaning carpets is mostly visual it depends on how you perceive what clean is.

Shaun


very true Shaun.... which is why my method has been successful for the last 4 years,(the time that I converted to LM only). And obviously for the 21 years before that too...  ;D ;D
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Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2014, 07:07:57 pm »
Try this number 07852520166

Shaun

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2014, 09:44:20 pm »
What porty are you going for David?
Storm 800psi + Magma.
good luck I also have a storm with a magma
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adrian marsh

Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2014, 10:04:58 pm »
Sorry Aidy... I sometimes get a bit touchy on a sunday morning...

 :-* :-*

 ;D

No problem Hector, just a misunderstanding. Truth be told, I'm not really bothered what anyone else does or doesn't do. Been doing this job long enough now to have seen many come and go. The decent ones tend to stick around.

Derek_Walker

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2014, 10:12:43 pm »
I personally think flushing is more important than heat, and truckmounts excel at flushing and recovery. If you look at rug cleaning the best results are achieved using a cold shampoo solution, agitation, followed by pressure flushing to remove soiling. Unfortunately this method isn't possible on wall to wall carpeting.
Right, now I'm off to do the dishes, with hot water of course.

elliott cleaning

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Re: Hot/cold water Extraction
« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2014, 08:22:43 pm »
I personally think flushing is more important than heat, and truckmounts excel at flushing

Totally agree with you Derek.  Not only do t/ms' excel at flushing but they also give you the added benefit of heat.

Using the correct pre-spray as well as the right agitation, we can all loosen the crap in carpets.  The secret is extracting it - (and then right to the base of the fibres). On a pretty standard carpet, I flush at 450psi using a total of 08 flow and only a t/m is adequate to extract appropriately.

As Shaun mentions - ' beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. - and yes, I can make a carpet look spotless using l/m, rag spinning, encap (or whatever you want to call it). The clients are content - but you and I, as professional cleaners, know that there is really a world of difference as to how clean the carpets actually are.