Darran Pryce

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Full House £50
« on: February 12, 2014, 08:53:28 am »
The amount of carpet cleaners popping up, saying full house £50.... is a joke.  I contacted three of them in our area saying I have 14 rooms in total, 6 of which are double bedrooms and 2 or master bedrooms, also asking what machines do they use.... Rug Doctor and the puzzi came up trumps.... What a joke, if people think there getting value for money...  (We haven't got that size house by the way)

I priced up a job 1 living room carpet 100% wool, gave her a price of £70 for the 1 carpet, she came back and said that's far too much, already being quoted £20!!!!!

These people are jokes... probably got no insurance and if they have it wont be for items worked on or treatment cover... Wonder if her carpet cleaner has shrunk her carpet!!!!

We still have many who pay good money to get a top job done, but these cut throats are popping up everywhere!

Mike Gwilliam

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2014, 09:11:46 am »
last year I had a lady call to give a quote for a 2 bed small property end of tenancy. I knew the road and the type of property and how much to charge without looking at the house and gave her a quote of £120.

She said why? quite abruptly. I said what do you mean and she said, well the last house I was in which was a four bedroom (twice the size), I had all the carpets cleaned for £50. I quickly ended the call and forgot about her.

Two weeks later, she called me on a Saturday to say, I'm due to have the carpets cleaned tomorrow (Sunday) and the company I had booked say they are not comming as they have double booked me.....can you come tomorrow? I said of course not....I'm on holiday (which I wasn't)  ::)roll  ;D

wayne zabel

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 09:16:57 am »
Theres a guy advertising in the local paper at the moment.

Carpets cleaned from £14.99.

I called and asked him for a price to clean a 3 piece suite and a through lounge..£60 ;D

Smurf

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2014, 10:16:32 am »
It's shocking to know now how little some charge now so can understand your frustration... 
When I was into carpet cleaning my average price was £50-£60 mind you that was over 30 years ago.

I turned up at a job a few weeks back to clean the exterior of a rental property and the customer was also having the carpets cleaned at the same time. The chaps with the truck mount were in and out in less than two hours and charged £169.98 so I thought fare play to them. When I notice the firm wasn't local I asked why didn't the chap use a local carpet cleaning company and he replied "because they were the cheapest"



 

M.Acorn

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2014, 01:16:27 pm »
Why compete on price, there are plenty of low priced people operating around here, as mentioned using little car valet machines or rug docs.
The genuine customers know the score, well the ones I tend to work for do and they are far more likely to get you back in once the need them doing again.
So far this year, it's been the best start too the year I have had and put my prices up also.
What goes around comes around

bennymon

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2014, 04:04:01 pm »
We have cheap ones round here with decent equipment . Problem is there not all crap but will work for bugger all . It makes the internet really difficult to get any work now .  :'( del

Darran Pryce

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2014, 04:12:58 pm »
Just finished a job (domestic) 9 carpets £260. Rung last week I gave them a price and said fine book me in.  Not many like this.... We are getting more and more commercial work now so prices are good.  Done some work for the NHS in Leeds which is good money. 

Still too many £50 full house job.... out there....

SteveAllan

Re: Full House £50
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2014, 04:52:06 pm »
Theres a couple of these cheese heads my way charging that. One guy even says £55 + fuel on his ad  :( He also uses the imfamous Puzzi 100.

Neil Worsnop

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2014, 04:57:18 pm »
Last appointment today was to quote.  Single room, no stains, quite small and there won't be any furniture in it.
So no point measuring as its a minimum rate for this one.

The look of surprise on her face when I said it will come in at my minimum rate - £65.  Thought I was going to have to either justify my price or leave it to somebody with a rug doctor.  She was surprised it was that low (curses) and quickly booked the rest of the house in for a clean as well.

Wish there were more like this.  Nice biccies as well.

Darran Pryce

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2014, 05:06:15 pm »
Thing is 99% of the carpets we clean are great quality carpets.  For them to replace a living room would cost hundreds.  My mothers living room carpet cost £1000, so to pay £50 or £65 as a minimum prices for them to say that's a lot of money, or I can get my full house for £50 is such a joke and an insult.

Out of 10 calls per week, I would say 6 we get, 4 either don't come back or say they can get it much cheaper....

When pricing up commercial jobs, 8 out of 10 we get, and they don't even get 2 or 3 quotes, so no complaints with commercial work, just the domestic.   

gwrightson

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2014, 07:02:06 pm »


Just had a customer call me back , she had agreed a price today t/l   stairs landing, and another flight of stairs ,
as she works for a company who,s office carpets I clean I gave her some discount total price £100


the call, sorry my husband thinks its expensive m we still need it doing but we will get some more quotes ::)roll

Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

david@zap-clean

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2014, 07:51:47 am »
I'm no expert on marketing, but if you're attracting a lot of 'cut-price shoppers' maybe you should take a second look at how you are selling your services?
David @ ZapClean
www.zap-clean.com

Darran Pryce

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2014, 07:58:15 am »
Dave, We are very high on google (first page) for carpet cleaners Leeds.  So will attract every type of person down to commercial work, down to those looking for £50 full house job!  Looking at my cms/stats most are coming through google.  Can't stop that unless I take my website down, which I'm not!


david@zap-clean

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2014, 08:08:36 am »
Ok Darren, I guess the more traffic you attract the higher number of price shopper you get - a simple fact of life.
David @ ZapClean
www.zap-clean.com

garry22

Re: Full House £50
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2014, 12:22:35 pm »
The beauty with websites is that you can change them instantly. That means you can change your positioning at will. It's not like being stuck with a Yellow Pages advert for twelve months.

Within a day you could make all the changes necessary to your site to educate / discourage price shoppers.

We are in a business that the bulk of the population does not want or care about. It's not their fault that they don't know the difference between quality and cowboy work. They don't know any better.

At the moment, the £ 20 clowns are setting a price point in these peoples' minds.


Steve9

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2014, 12:49:32 pm »
Quote
At the moment, the £ 20 clowns are setting a price point in these peoples' minds.

Exactly. It's easy to say there are people out there who will pay more for good quality work, which is true. But most of the public have no idea of what is cheap, what is a fair price and what is over priced.


Mike Halliday

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2014, 03:46:29 pm »
I think people do have an idea what cheap is,  but some are actually looking for cheap. Which is a market heavily served by many companies.

Some people are searching for quality, it's a bit like me, at the moment I'm looking to book a holiday,  on the holiday websites  I tick 5star A/I  which  gets rid of all the cheap budget holidays.

I know we can't  filter our website calls like this but like Garry said we can make our websites more quality orientated . To me poor people want...... quick & easy, .....you look ok,.... you tell them what they want to hear.

Quality people want more information, they want indelph information about the whole process so they can make an informed decision.

 Just like newspapers, cheap  people read the Sun with its big pictures and big headlines but no real information, the rich read The Times or Telegraph with massive amounts of indelph information. Rich people want information.
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

gwrightson

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2014, 04:13:09 pm »


So Has she rang you yet mike ?

vale drive kirkella 

Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Mike Halliday

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2014, 06:22:03 pm »
No idea what you're on about ;)

Do you mean Valley Drive Or the Vale

Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

gwrightson

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2014, 06:34:13 pm »


the vale 

oops

Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2014, 07:12:29 pm »
wow that's cheap even we charging 80 for a full house in London at the minute

Paul Evans

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2014, 07:19:29 pm »
little ole daddy give you that mind set Susie.

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2014, 07:39:12 pm »
little ole daddy give you that mind set Susie.

yup just like the 30 acre of land we built our house on  ;D

Paul Evans

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2014, 08:22:07 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D nice one Susan,
Hope the best for you

homenclean

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2014, 10:03:27 pm »
Company near us offering low prices on end of tenancy carpet cleans trouble is they aren't great but when tenant produces a receipt the agent is in a bit of a corner and when they call them to say job isn't great they refuse to go back. I get a lot of work from this agent and they are now giving out my number explaining I am their preferred contractor and any sub standard work will result in me going back and them been charged again.

These idiots kill it for us using good gear and solutions to do the job right. Think they are blind and can't see that you have to offer good work at a fair price not poor work at low prices

My rant
John

ian harper

Re: Full House £50
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2014, 05:42:00 am »
With respect you should not make assumptions about others businesses as you dont know the inner workings and how they can provide a service at this price. they might just have their numbers and marketing setup better than yours.

The mistake your making is your competing in the market, and dont like what the market is telling you. what you need to do is switch to selling and then you can get whatever price you choose.

marketing and selling are two different places one is where people are looking and the other is where you get someone to buy your services when its not on their list. design your marketing so its attracts people the JP irresistible offer is the concept your looking for.

One last thing you cant compare someone that only cleans carpets to someone that does say hard floors or windows as well. or part time. its these things that in my view that tell you something about other cleaners. if i want to compare i need to find someone that only cleans carpets , rugs and sofas.

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2014, 04:33:34 pm »
Company near us offering low prices on end of tenancy carpet cleans trouble is they aren't great but when tenant produces a receipt the agent is in a bit of a corner and when they call them to say job isn't great they refuse to go back. I get a lot of work from this agent and they are now giving out my number explaining I am their preferred contractor and any sub standard work will result in me going back and them been charged again.

These idiots kill it for us using good gear and solutions to do the job right. Think they are blind and can't see that you have to offer good work at a fair price not poor work at low prices

My rant
John

john you say killing it for you how ????  its a free market and if you cant compete or don't want to then being self employed is not for you its all part of being in business whats not right for you is right for someone else ,



Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2014, 05:20:36 pm »
Dave I think you know the answer, £80 is easier to sell than £160 if you have multiple vans you need a 'buy it now' price you don't need to romance the customer and you can't afford to let them go when they call, where as a single operator can be picky as they need to utilise their time to get the most out of their working day.

Shaun

Craigp

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2014, 05:32:54 pm »
Also the customer wanting to pay extra for a top job wants an owner operator, not an employee.

There was a good article in the NCCA newsletter by Mr Coker saying that. Very interesting reading it was too.

David Ware

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2014, 05:54:47 pm »
The self employed sole trader as a carpet cleaner only will be a thing of the past in years to come. There are more multi trade cleaning firms that offer house cleaning, EOT, window cleaning, oven cleaning, drive cleaning now. Also crunch the numbers with employing people like Susan and they can make a profit charging a lot less than the sole trader.
David

homenclean

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2014, 08:44:56 pm »
In response to Your comments I am more than capable of competing in any market place and adapting to various markets what I am not prepared to do is lower my standards to compete with companies offering sub standard work. I have been cleaning carpets for 24 years and it is my choice that we no longer play a numbers game with multiple staff high overheads, business premises and tax and paye. Been there done it and can't be bothered with the hassle any more at our peak we employed 15 people doing everything from kitchen cleans to valeting caravans on the haven sites across the east coast.


John

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2014, 11:29:08 pm »
It wasn't for me either the multi van thing but looking across the pond where we usually end up anyway perhaps it's something we should consider.

Shaun

gwrightson

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2014, 12:08:36 pm »


Just had a customer call me back , she had agreed a price today t/l   stairs landing, and another flight of stairs ,
as she works for a company who,s office carpets I clean I gave her some discount total price £100


the call, sorry my husband thinks its expensive m we still need it doing but we will get some more quotes ::)roll

Geoff


just had another call, same customer .
"sorry to mess you about, can I book you in for next week "
Apparently didn't like the attitude or the sound of some of them, that or they were all more expensive im thinking. :-\
Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2014, 07:38:29 pm »
Why charge £80 when you can get much more?

because I m not doing the work its that simple why work when theres lots of others willing to do so for bowl of dripping and some beard  ;D


JandS

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2014, 08:42:09 pm »
Good reply......... ;D
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

peter maybury

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2014, 09:06:01 pm »
not all own operators are competent carpet cleaners.

Peter

David Ware

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2014, 09:07:57 pm »
Never tried dripping on beard always on toast with salt great.

stuart_clark

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2014, 11:19:01 pm »
Neil
I was looking at the video on your website, you removing the draught marks which is very good!
Try using a platters brush mate if you can get one from Prochem, they are easier to use and get right  into the crack of the carpet and will probably speed up your cleaning, but very good all the same mate



stuart

JandS

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2014, 12:58:07 pm »
Neil...is that UR your using on draught marks.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Neil Worsnop

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2014, 03:57:54 pm »
Probably was UR I used.  I'm quite a fan of it.
Will look at a platters brush - tks for tip.

Have in mind to revamp my content including some videos

Tks for commenting

C o z y

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2014, 07:37:35 am »
The self employed sole trader as a carpet cleaner only will be a thing of the past in years to come. There are more multi trade cleaning firms that offer house cleaning, EOT, window cleaning, oven cleaning, drive cleaning now. Also crunch the numbers with employing people like Susan and they can make a profit charging a lot less than the sole trader.
David

You'd think so. However, here in "Ze Fatherland" we've got nearly exclusively that set up. Big firms doing everything to do with cleaning. That's why the market is so good here for smaller set ups. One man bands cleaning carpets have the advantage of selling ourselves as specialists. "We don't do everything, just what we're good at".
Same with domestic window cleaning. Punters want the same guy every clean, and not some stranger. As cleaners need to be inside the home to do the job, there's a trust issue.
So if UK moves to that sort of set up, use it to your advantage, like I do.  ;)
No still don't understand, I must be thick

Paul Simpson

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2014, 07:47:06 pm »
Just seen an advert on one of the free advertising sites that beats it.

Titled Carpet cleaning service
"Anyone want a full house vaxed for £20, give me a call. XXXXX area only as I don't drive"  ;D

Lewis Newby

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2014, 09:54:36 pm »
yeh but look at all those overheads he has cut down on ;D

Jetbusters

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2014, 11:23:32 am »
I was actually writing about a similar thing on my blog when this topic popped up in my inbox. We offer pressure washing services, and a lady called us asking for a quote on work only because of a run-in she had with a guy who had been driving around her area with a cheap £100 pressure washer, who had then proceeded to pressure wash a small section of her driveway, then knocked on her door to say, "excuse me madam, I've just pressure washed a bit of your driveway and it looks a lot cleaner. For £50 I will do the rest"

She told him where to go!

But once she saw the area which had been cleaned, it did make her realize that the driveway was worth cleaning, so gave us a call.

Of course, we can't compete with silly prices like that, but then as the topic starter has already said, these guys don't have public liability insurance, do not have the right equipment, and offer no guarantee of work.

It's like anything really.....I tend to try and buy appliances for my home from John Lewis.....it's not a snobby thing or anything like that.....it's just their customer service (so I've found personally) is exceptional, and they are very customer driven, and I know that if something goes wrong, they won't try to fob me off. OK so I pay a little bit more than if I spent 30 minutes searching price comparison websites on the internet, but is saving a few quid really worth the hassle in the long run?

for some it might be, but for me I'd rather just pay a fraction more, and have a bit of peace of mind  :)

I also prefer to support British tradesmen and industries.... people who (just like me) are trying to earn a decent living, and pay their taxes (even if they are too high, but that's another topic!) and just want to play their part.

Cash-in-hand, no receipt services are a bit like playing Russian roulette.....you might get a bargain....but if you don't, then you don't have any right to comeback.
www.Jetbusters.co.uk - pressure washing services:
driveway cleaning

James Jacob

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2014, 06:09:58 pm »
"If you cant beat em.... Join em"!
Set up a sister company with inferior machines & give the customer a choice of service....
Ie:- Main Company which offers the professional service using your expensive gear & care etc etc..
& your sister company who offer the "Fly by night below average service" whole house done for £50 in less than an hour kind of thing...
& then sell to the customer your "Main Professional service" by letting them know what benefits they will be recieving with that.... & all the time you will subconciously in their mind be disqualifying the "Cheap Job" kind of service....
& then if they choose the "Cheap" service you offer... then they will already know what to expect & you will have a quick job & still earn money! :)
Its just an idea guys & gals.... & its posted to make you think :) feel free to share your views good or bad...
The moral of the post is just this... "Dont be a Dinosaur.... Adapt & Survive"

maxcampbell

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Re: Full House £50
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2014, 07:36:34 pm »
Why charge £80 when you can get much more?

because I m not doing the work its that simple why work when theres lots of others willing to do so for bowl of dripping and some beard  ;D



That is a good answer (apart from the beard / bread thing) as far as it goes, but it stops pretty short. If you believed could stay as busy and charge more, you would. You'd be taking all the wedge above the techy's wages, so by increasing price by, maybe, 25%, you could (if you thought you'd stay busy) maybe double your own income.

So, it means you don't believe you'd stay busy if you charged more - in other words, you believe you offer a cheap service. I've been involved in lots of different industries, but I've always been into justifying a premium price - in fact I take pride in it, and I do think people bashing out services that they believe are cheap does this industry no good at all.