[john martin]

   
   Auxiliary port added ...

   

   Custom Mytee Silencer ...

   

   
 
         
   

[CleanerCarpets]

Look like Cross American type add on's with that plumbing John!

Only joking, very nice!!

[john martin]

 

 Stanley Booster

 

 

 
 

[john martin]

  TM Slayer complete 

 

 

[Carpet Dawg]

after all that hassle you should have just got a tm 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

That's excellent tres Bon!

So is that 2 cords to power 4 vacuums?

So approx same as the mytee etm?

Shaun

[john martin]

after all that hassle you should have just got a tm 

 I suppose       It only took a Saturday and few trips to B&Q

 Should be not too far off Shaun ...   I have swapped the 1200e Electro for a 1600w , so two 1600w inside  ...  i dont have two more electros at the moment so i  stuck in two Italian ameteks 1500w which have been lying around for a while ... they actually measure well power wise .
 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Have you noticed a significant difference in vacuum?

I think anyone with an enforcer should make one of these, perhaps you could do a step by step on how you made it, what you'll need and approximate cost, it would be excellent for cleaners and the forum.

Shaun

[CleanerCarpets]

Have you fired her up John and put her to the test?

Does the dirty tank flex at all when you have all the motors running?

I take it you are able to block off the aux port when you just want to run the 2 onboard vacs otherwise you gonna be worse than when you started   

[john martin]

 Yes Shaun i could do that  ...  i kid a bit about getting ever thing from B&Q  , the connections etc came from ebay mostly ... buy nothing really difficult , you would need a holesaw a few bit also .

Yes i have tested it  ...  i have not got figures but there is extreme violence at the hose cuff      The two vacs inside  the Enforcer on their own measure18HG ( about 244" lift )   cfm would be around 130  ...   
With the booster plugged in the airflow is noticeably better  , should be around 250+ and 17HG
I did get a cheap CFM anemometer but it lacks an accurate calibration ... i do have a lift gauge .
The tank does not flex because of the design and the plastic is 10mm thick  .
That was one of my biggest concerns .... drilling a hole in the waste tank without knowing the structural implications .  Once you drill there is no going back ....  but its all good ..   I did intend to do connect the booster port internally , but when i saw the internal design , to get a custom manifold made and relocate the motor was a hassle against just rilling an external hole .
Yes i have screw cap that fits in seconds to block the port hole .

[stuart_clark]

You will have to start selling them john

[CleanerCarpets]

John - fair play to you I say

You have done a great tidy job and shown up some suppliers in the industry with some DIY plumbing.

You have put your money where your mouth it, it takes balls to start chopping into what looks like a brand new Enforcer and advance it like you have.

If you could set that up in the van so its on 2 cords that would be ideal, then be able to quickly get it off for jobs you need to be mobile on you have the best of both worlds. Not to mention you have back up vacs in your toolbox!!

Did you bypass the thermal cut off on the vacs in the box or leave them standard? I suppose as they are set up, heat probably won't be an issue

[Andrew@Approved Carpet Cleaning]

What's coming off the bottom of the enforcer at the back John?

[CleanerCarpets]

it says in the first post - the silencer

[stuart_clark]

I wonder what the cfm power would be with my Scorpion ? 5 Vacs 

[CleanerCarpets]

yep Stuart but you are in the same boat as me with the Airflex triple - 5 vacs but 3 cords then

John has managed (hopefully so long as its doesnt start tripping the leccy and it maybe close) 4 vacs on 2 cords

[Shaun_Ashmore]

About a tenth of the power of my truck mount

Shaun

[CleanerCarpets]

Shows a lot about a person when they continually go on about how much bigger and better theirs is I think

Shaun, do you have a small you know what or something?

Don't tell me, I bet you drive a BMW as well, maybe even a white one? Or a convertible or a Mercedes with a big engine all to compensate??   

[Russ Chadd]

Good work John, only time will tell if these modifications are going to be worth it.
To be honest I never run my Enforcer from the van, I always bring it up to the property and use shorter hose lengths so I am happy with the performance of mine.
Nothing wrong with a little experimenting, after all machines are always evolving and we need people like you who think outside the box

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I drive a white van I do prefer to make money though none of this 'a bit hear a bit there' I'll leave playing business to you, I bet you tell everyone your MD 

Shaun

[CleanerCarpets]

lol, think i hit the mark on that one, the float just bobbed under and i got a bite   

[stuart_clark]

They don >:(t call hime Tiny Todger Ashmore for nothing  

little man syndrome !lol

[dan paton]

John is this the toolbox you used ?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stanley-28-Waterproof-Tool-Box-Seal-Tight-STA193935-1-93-935-/130410213549?pt=UK_Garage_Equipment_Tools_Tool_Boxes_Storage&hash=item1e5d0df0ad

[john martin]

John is this the toolbox you used ?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stanley-28-Waterproof-Tool-Box-Seal-Tight-STA193935-1-93-935-/130410213549?pt=UK_Garage_Equipment_Tools_Tool_Boxes_Storage&hash=item1e5d0df0ad

Yes , it was the best one I'd seen in terms of strength for drilling holes and a big size is always easier to mount things in .

[john martin]

What's coming off the bottom of the enforcer at the back John?

Mytee silencer  ...  i included a pair in a box of stuff i got from the states , the other one is in the booster .   I helps remove the annoying higher frequencies . But the enforcer is fairly quiet as is .

[john martin]

Good work John, only time will tell if these modifications are going to be worth it.
To be honest I never run my Enforcer from the van, I always bring it up to the property and use shorter hose lengths so I am happy with the performance of mine.
Nothing wrong with a little experimenting, after all machines are always evolving and we need people like you who think outside the box

Yeah the enforcer goes well in stock form ...  but i couldn't resist a bit of tweaking  . I let you know how i get on with it .

[dan paton]

Any chance of a list of parts for the Stanley booster box john?

[john martin]

Any chance of a list of parts for the Stanley booster box john?

Hey Dan ,  you know i thought that would be easy ... and then i thought , hey didnt i chop that pipe fitting in half to make it fir ... and didn't i sand the to top off another bit  etc .  So there is an element of ' make it up as u go along to these things ... but il make a list of the essentials  after that u may have to see for yourself whats needed as u make it .
My side port is 1.5 " ... however i decided i would not go under 1.5" at any stage so i use the external part of the 1.5 fittings . It complicated it a little as i had to custom fit bits ... if i'd fitted a hose barb fitting to my 1.5" ports ... the internal diameter at that point would drop to 1 1/4  ... might make no difference whatso ever but i did not want to use them .    A standard 2" machine hose barb is actually 1 3/4 "  internal ... so my 1.5" external overall is not far off that  .  The 2" tank fitting is huge and would have caused fitting and perhaps structural issues so i avoided using that but i do use one for the booster exhaust port for easy fitting to my exhaust hose .  hope that make sense     Bear with me and il make a list of the main parts .

[Andrew@Approved Carpet Cleaning]

Did you test the amp draw with the 2hd vacs John?

[john martin]

Any chance of a list of parts for the Stanley booster box john?

A Stanley fat max 28" toolbox
12 foot of 16amp wire ( i like the non kink rubber stuff )
some single core 1.5mm wire for the switches and connectiong to motors / earth
Two of ebays finest motors ... or what ever u got
various white 1.5" and 2"  white  plumbing fitting from B&Q  etc  
1.5" rubber joiners from plumbing section .

1.5 " tank connector  (one on booster one on enforcer )
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/360709113132?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

2" tank connector i used for the exhaust port
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/360709115771?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

The 90degree on the enforcer
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/231025453512?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

60mm duct hose in booster for exhaust
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/140671550957?var=440037916547&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
two toggle switches , these are the type i used but u can use others
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Heavy-Duty-120v-240v-15A-20A-Plate-TOGGLE-SWITCH-T701-/320787374347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab06ae10b
optional rubber switch covers
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Toggle-Switch-Rubber-Water-Proof-Cover-10-Pack-Height-16mm-/261075706290?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cc95321b2

Hole saw  ...   the 1.5" tank connector used a 48mm hole saw
i used a 64 on the 2" tank connector
and an 82mm for the motor vent holes .
some long bolts to secure motors

think thats it  

You could use these for easy fitting to the 1.5" tank connector ... but i found tham a bit narrow .
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/231025452345?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/360709114638?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

[CleanerCarpets]

Good question!! Is it tripping John? I guess only proper use and use over 10 min bursts will tell

[john martin]

Did you test the amp draw with the 2hd vacs John?

 amp draw for the two 1400 in the booster tested around 13amps ..

The Enforcer with upgraded vac tested 15amps max with pump running .

[john martin]

Good question!! Is it tripping John? I guess only proper use and use over 10 min bursts will tell

nothing tripping 

[CleanerCarpets]

Great! You gonna suck some dirt with that monster!

Was the Enforcer new to you? What machine were you running before?

[john martin]

Great! You gonna suck some dirt with that monster!

Was the Enforcer new to you? What machine were you running before?

Lets hope so ..
Its as good as new i got it off a chap who decided to go the low moisture route ..
I've had various machines ... twin vac , triple vac 

[CleanerCarpets]

Well good luck, just avoid double sockets in conservatories or garages - very often run off a single 13 am spur I have found in the past and not good for more than 10 mins before trip!!

[Robin Ray]

Very impressive John! When you get hold of some meters perhaps you could show us the performance at the end of 100ft of hose.

I have been thinking of doing the same thing with my Airflex Pro Custom as it has the same vac set up but has a ready made booster port. With a double HD + Standard Electro setup it should give around 240" waterlift and 234 CFM. Along with the heater it should give entry level truckmount performance.

Let us know how it gets on on the job.

[Russ Chadd]

Interesting stuff, I too would like to see the machine performing, ideally next to a standard one with 100' of hose.
To be honest it's extremely rare for me to use anything more than 75' of hose, but I guess it's nice to know you have the added power there if required.
So adding a booster creates 2 pairs of motors in series similar to the escape, I for one witnessed the Escape at last years TACCA event and it was very powerful... Dare I say... More powerful at the wand than my old prowler

[dan paton]

What motors does the mytee escape use? is it just 4 bog standard 5.7's . On a side note has anyone noticed woodbridge used to sell the escape at nearly 8k plus vat and now it's only 4140 plus vat   They couldn't have been selling many at the first extortionate price 

[john martin]

Very impressive John! When you get hold of some meters perhaps you could show us the performance at the end of 100ft of hose.

I have been thinking of doing the same thing with my Airflex Pro Custom as it has the same vac set up but has a ready made booster port. With a double HD + Standard Electro setup it should give around 240" waterlift and 234 CFM. Along with the heater it should give entry level truckmount performance.

Let us know how it gets on on the job.

What ? you already have a port !  No drilling to do .
Go and buy your toolbox  . lol

[john martin]

What motors does the mytee escape use? is it just 4 bog standard 5.7's . On a side note has anyone noticed woodbridge used to sell the escape at nearly 8k plus vat and now it's only 4140 plus vat   They couldn't have been selling many at the first extortionate price 

In the USA the escape has four 585 airwatt tapered electros in series /parallel .
The UK machine should be the same ... although who knows if woodbridge have changed them for any reason . I asked JohnLabarbera a while back and didnt seem sure himself ! if they kept to the original setup .
I think they have rephrased the pricing for the escape ... it looks fairer . It says 4140+ for the machine ... and nearly 3000 for the gas heater as an option .

[jeff1966]

Hi John, would it be easier to build, using one 6.6 vac motor?

[Shaun_Ashmore]

You can buy a 6.6 set up from cleansmart albeit johns very neat self build would be cheaper to re produce it depends on how good or handy you are or how much money you have in your pocket.

Shaun

[Robin Ray]

It would be easier but using one 6.6 in parallel rather than two 5.7s in series but you will loose the lift of the two 5.7s. By using two lots of series pairs in parallel you get the best of both worlds the lift and cfm. Which is what makes a truckmount so much better than any porty. In effect you will have the the vacuum performance of a entry level truckmount, all be it with more lift.

[Andrew@Approved Carpet Cleaning]

Surely they are all in series not parallel?

[john martin]

Surely they are all in series not parallel?

If they were all in series . ie four vacs all connected to each others exhaust .  Then i would have to connect my booster to the exhaust of the Enforcer .

They are two pairs of series ... each pair of series are plugged into the waste tank in parallel .

Just imagine there is one motor in the Enforcer  ... and one motor in the booster ... that would give you a parallel setup with around 200+cfm   .
Then if you attach another motor to the exhaust of each you keep your 200+ cfm but your lift goes up by about 70% .

[Andrew@Approved Carpet Cleaning]

Ah, bald moment, I see now.

[Adrian Walton]

Did you fit another ball cage to the second port or just run it without one.

[stuart_clark]

Four motors in series, ive done that before, just conected to ninjas together, but not a good idea, it wasn't long before number one motor blew up


stuart

[john martin]

Did you fit another ball cage to the second port or just run it without one.

Just the one cage  ,  i may fit the second one , there is room and can be easily done .
The port is about an inch above the cutoff point of the main cage so you might be alerted by the change of tone or airflow , but perhaps not if you were a good distance away  . Might be good to fit the cage .
A good APO might be another project at some stage also .

[Mike Halliday]

To look at this critically....

Why Go to all the hassle of making one of these, then the hassle of connecting it every job to cut half an hour of your drying time...... Is it really worth it??

How about just using a 10inch wand instead of 12 or 14 or spending 10 more minutes doing extra dry strokes, or use a wonderwand or use the scientific Stryker wand.

Lots of ways to achieve better dry times which in the end is the reason for using a booster system

[john martin]

To look at this critically....

Why Go to all the hassle of making one of these, then the hassle of connecting it every job to cut half an hour of your drying time...... Is it really worth it??

How about just using a 10inch wand instead of 12 or 14 or spending 10 more minutes doing extra dry strokes, or use a wonderwand or use the scientific Stryker wand.

Lots of ways to achieve better dry times which in the end is the reason for using a booster system

A bit like saying why get a 40hp TM when a 18HP will do  ?

 
I would see advantages like leaving it in the one stationary place out side a house while being able to do the upstairs with the same cleaning performance and drying times as the nearer downstairs rooms .

I need to use it a bit more in varied situations to see if was worth it or if il use it a lot , but i was a bit of fun as a mini project too  ...

[dan paton]

One question please John. When it's running and the toolbox lid is closed is there any chance of the motors overheating ?

[john martin]

One question please John. When it's running and the toolbox lid is closed is there any chance of the motors overheating ?

No more than inside an  extractor , the motors are getting cooling air from the tops which are are protruding ( were suppose to be flush really ) and the hot air from the exhaust is all vented to the outside .

[stuart_clark]

An Engineer friend of mine is going to use johns example and knock me up the same arrangement but in parallel ! Just think a Scorpy with five vacs ! That must be near TM power without the running cost

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Or the heat, I do think it's a fascinating project won't a scorpion and added booster need 3 cords?

Shaun

[stuart_clark]

It will shaun, but I run three cords now anyway with my 4.2kw drop in heater and in most situations there hasn't been a problem tripping  circuits


Stuart

[Shaun_Ashmore]

It's tripping over cables that you have to watch out for, it's a mighty piece of equipment the set up alone must take some time.

Shaun

[stuart_clark]

If it gets the carpets/ upholstery that much drier its worth it


stuart

[Andrew@Approved Carpet Cleaning]

Have you a pic of the heater you use please Stuart?

[Adrian Walton]

Did you fit another ball cage to the second port or just run it without one.

Just the one cage  ,  i may fit the second one , there is room and can be easily done .
The port is about an inch above the cutoff point of the main cage so you might be alerted by the change of tone or airflow , but perhaps not if you were a good distance away  . Might be good to fit the cage .
A good APO might be another project at some stage also .

I think i remember seeing a pump out hose at Ashbys that connected to the dump valve, a hose with a sort of ball cage  that they used with the remote control electric plugs so when you turn it off the machine empties.

[Peter Sweeney]

A scorpion or any porty for that matter with 10 vacs wont match a truck mount, 5 vacs was a late April fools right?

[Glynn]

This is laughable......

[john martin]

  Backlash of the TM guys ? 

  Anyone who felt the Escape  ...  did not laugh
  It might not have impressed all  , but i dont  think anyone laughed  ?

[dan paton]

john in the booster box what is the black plastic thing on the exhaust hose ?

[john martin]

john in the booster box what is the black plastic thing on the exhaust hose ?

I got a box of stuff from the states and included a pair of Mytee silencers  , they were pretty inexpensive . One is in the booster and the other is on the back of the Enforcer ( removable )   .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf7qyIvi_O0

[dan paton]

cheers john . Just been looking at them online. Yes they are cheap

[stuart_clark]

No it wasn't a joke, I am always looming for extra vacume and if thats in the form of another two portable motors then why not? Probably not somthing I woukd use all the time but definitely will be used from time to time



stuart

[john martin]

Stuart , im certainty not saying dont do five parallel , who knows could be very good but some considerations might include the issues that may arise from extra airfow turbulence in the waste tank .

Also , you will not increase your lift with that method past what u have (10hg)
The extra lift is why some think the series /parallel 4vac setup gets close to a TM feel powerwise as it has both highish airflow and lift .

Other options for you ?  you could put three 4.5 amp two stages one one cord and connect each to the exhausts of your motors . Should raise your suction to around 15hg .
Or use two 1400w three stages in a booster and connect to two of your motors exhausts ... your third internal vac could be switched off and as it has  a one way valve it would not put a hole in the vac system when off .
You then would have the option of running three parallel or four series/parallel

something like this ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVIBnuq50h4

[CleanerCarpets]

John - i am making my own booster box - its the wiring i am a little worried about - did you just earth to the frames on the motors?

[Peter Sweeney]

Glynn was right

[john martin]

John - i am making my own booster box - its the wiring i am a little worried about - did you just earth to the frames on the motors?

Yes ..   there might be small screw hole on the motor part of the frame for conveniently attaching the earth . 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

One thing I may add, when your 4 motors are at full capacity or at full scream when you have a tm that then goes into it's next gear it just pulls harder.

Shaun

[CleanerCarpets]

Thanks John, will have a play - I know a sparky so will get it checked over when its done. Have you used your Enforcer on jobs now?

[john martin]

One thing I may add, when your 4 motors are at full capacity or at full scream when you have a tm that then goes into it's next gear it just pulls harder.

Shaun

 I dont doubt a large TM is more powerful  .  The point with four vacs is just to raise performance  . However many that have used the Mytee escape have compare it to an entry TM performance wise . And it measures well also . If you attach a set of gauges to an ETM or a TM the gauges dont know whats connected to them ... they just measure what there .

[john martin]

Thanks John, will have a play - I know a sparky so will get it checked over when its done. Have you used your Enforcer on jobs now?

 Yes , but actually dont have a lot of hose     50 of 2" and  50 1 1/5 "
 I have ordered more  2"  and when it arrives il use the booster more .

 My Enforcer with the upgraded 1600w motors is working well  at 50' 2" direct to the wand ... so im ditching the 1 1/2 .
I might do a Russ chadd style video when have it working at full stretch .

[CleanerCarpets]

yea a video would be good with the booster added as well

[stuart_clark]

John
do you reckon you could squeeze an 8.4 motor into that stanley tool box of yours ? Bye itself of course!

Stuart

[john martin]

John
do you reckon you could squeeze an 8.4 motor into that stanley tool box of yours ? Bye itself of course!

Stuart

you have about 9x11 inches to play with in the toolbox  ... should fit .

Heres the dimensions.

http://dev.ametekfsm.com/Bulletins/122176-18.pdf

You would have to make a mounting plate of sorts ... like this

http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=68&products_id=5098


Where you putting that  ...   there might be other options . In parallel the 8.4 wont raise your system lift . Might as well just use the cheaper 6.6 .
Other option is a trailing twin vac booster attached to the exhausts .  Two 6.6 on one cord perhaps .

 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

When the wand locks on the carpet you'll know which one is a tm, I remember having a simular conversation with Dave Ingram he showed me in lay mans terms how it worked although wand technique comes into play as well.

Shaun

[CleanerCarpets]

John - how many motors can you have in series? Instead of cutting into the dirty tank could I attach the booster box hose to the exhaust of the 2 vac motors already in series in the machine? I think the old ninja I have has 2x 2 stage vacs in it. Or best chopping into the tank?

[john martin]

John - how many motors can you have in series? Instead of cutting into the dirty tank could I attach the booster box hose to the exhaust of the 2 vac motors already in series in the machine? I think the old ninja I have has 2x 2 stage vacs in it. Or best chopping into the tank?

I think Ashbys have been doing that for years , they sell a booster for that specific purpose .  I know little about it though , perhaps someone here has tried that setup .
I have even seen some guy post a message on their FB page saying hes using it like that with the enforcer .I'd say it is a pretty inefficient use of motors though .

I think you would be best replacing the two stage motors with the current Ashbys  HD / SD electro setup ...   not only increased lift but the extra little bit of cfm makes a difference in series .

[CleanerCarpets]

wouldnt i be better leaving the 2 motors in the machine alone and use the booster box plumbed into the dirty tank via a new hole and then have 4 vacs and 2 leads?

[john martin]

wouldnt i be better leaving the 2 motors in the machine alone and use the booster box plumbed into the dirty tank via a new hole and then have 4 vacs and 2 leads?

Yes ... but two two stages are not a great starting point as performance will be poor and also they will lower the overall lift to whatever they currently produce ...
But any four vac setup will be a good improvement .

[stuart_clark]

John

I was going to settle for one motor in the box snd my mate has obtained a tee piece to go in the side of the Scorpy so they would be no further cutting into the waste tank,
so at the end of the day its a case of which motor do I put in the box ? What will give me more cfms at the wand ?


Stuart

[john martin]

John

I was going to settle for one motor in the box snd my mate has obtained a tee piece to go in the side of the Scorpy so they would be no further cutting into the waste tank,
so at the end of the day its a case of which motor do I put in the box ? What will give me more cfms at the wand ?


Stuart

Thats worth a try ...    although its one waste tank i would not want any more air turbulence inside .
I think it would be more interesting to raise your suction (lift )  which will ultimately increase your cfm when the wand is on the carpet anyway .
Without internal mods , you could have a longer flexible hose which attaches from the side motor  port to one of the rear exhausts ....  then attach your single motor in a box to other exhaust .
You could still easily reconfigure it to the four parallel setup u suggested . 
I would use a regular three stage in keeping with other motors .

[CleanerCarpets]

Thanks John

I will swap the internal motors at some point, I am just keeping costs down while I play at first!

I can get CZ Ametek 1500 motors 3 stage for 30quid plus VAT so with 2 of them for the box I will get a much better back up machine and then a great back up machine when I swap the internal motors for 3 stage and upgrade the pump

[Ian_]

Hi

Quick question I have seen this can have a pump up to 600 psi can any one please tell me if it is worth it I have been away from scene a long time so any advice is most welcome  thank you  Ian

[john martin]

Hi

Quick question I have seen this can have a pump up to 600 psi can any one please tell me if it is worth it I have been away from scene a long time so any advice is most welcome  thank you  Ian

are you talking about the Enforcer in general  ...   

If you select the 600psi pump insted of the 400psi i think you might have to select a slightly lower spec pair of vacuums to stay on one cord and have your heater on cord two .  But you might want to clarify that with Ashbys .
I cant think why someone would need a 600 insted of 400 though , just stick with the 400psi and better vacuum system .
Its a pretty good choice machine in general though  ....  also consider Alltec or Airflex high spec machines .

[Ian_]

Thank you very much I will look at those as well

[JandS]

Just turn the heater off when running and back on when not.

[john martin]

Just turn the heater off when running and back on when not.

What im saying is Ashbys wont sell you a machine that exceeds 13amps on one cord .
They will select a lower power vac system if you select the 600psi .

[Simon@arenaclean]

Though I have a 600 psi pump on my Airflex i've never found it necessary to go above 300 and often stick around 200-250. 400 is ample and you would probably be ok with 200 most of the time

[Ian Gourlay]

Simon

I thought the idea of 600psi was to do hard floors, but then I have heard machines do not hold enough water to do this. But I do know as I have never turned up at
Alltec Open Day when they have been demonstrating hard floor cleaning with a portable. Apart from using a Rotovac on a small square

[Simon@arenaclean]

Simon

I thought the idea of 600psi was to do hard floors, but then I have heard machines do not hold enough water to do this. But I do know as I have never turned up at
Alltec Open Day when they have been demonstrating hard floor cleaning with a portable. Apart from using a Rotovac on a small square

That's the general idea but I would suggest even at 600 psi it would entry level floor cleaning. The question was was it worth getting a 600 psi for carpet cleaning, my opinion not really. I've always felt that by running a pump below it's capacity means the pump is hardly working at the pressures I use so hopefully it increases it's longevity. There was a Speedster with a 1200 psi pump and I think an auto feed for fresh water, it might have had a separate pump for carpet cleaning and a pump out but can't recall the exact specs. Alltec did one too and Cleansmart would certainly put one in the Airflex if you wanted.

[Richard Cole]

Simon I thought you had the Storm, which is 800 psi not 600

[Jamie Pearson]

Simon

I thought the idea of 600psi was to do hard floors, but then I have heard machines do not hold enough water to do this. But I do know as I have never turned up at
Alltec Open Day when they have been demonstrating hard floor cleaning with a portable. Apart from using a Rotovac on a small square

With regard to hard floor cleaning it is much better to use a floor wand to rinse the floor and collect any slurry rather than relying on the pressure to do the cleaning. If you want to use a spinner tool you need 400-500psi just to get the thing to spin and it doesn't pick up as well as a floor squeegee and you are right that there isnt enough water in the tank unless you have auto feed and dump(whilst still running vacs) a 1000-1200psi machine at full tilt with a spinner will empty a portable in 5-10 minutes.

[Simon@arenaclean]

Simon I thought you had the Storm, which is 800 psi not 600

I can have what I want stuck with a 600 which was in my Turbo.

[Carpet Dawg]

yeah you can have any size pump put into your airflex's. makes them cheaper if you go smaller psi.

[Ian Gourlay]

Re Hard Floors when Alltec first started selling tools Steve Saunders suggested it would be possible to use a Karcher  for the preasure and then use  Carpet Cleaning Equipment for cleaning up. I believe that Karchers can work off a wheelie bin filled with water if required. Strange it was about 10 years ago but I have not heard of anyone using this method apart from Russ who had a hot pressure washer to promote

[James Jacob]

Hi John  This is one Amazing looking set up Hows it all running these days? is it all still good?

[john martin]

Hi John  This is one Amazing looking set up Hows it all running these days? is it all still good?

You reminded me how shiny it was  ...   yeah its all good  ,  i dont use it every where or even every day but there are some places i would not be without it , and thats not always long hose runs , like awkward to dry carpet or upholstery it reduces drying dramatically and speeds up cleaning in many cases .  Also great for function rooms and bigger areas .  I leave it outside domestic houses and bring it inside larger places .
Since the first pics it blew a motor fairly quick ... too hot inside with the lid closed , i have fans fitted now .

[James Jacob]

Yes... Tbh it really looks Amazing!
I would like to have a go at making the Vac Booster Box...
If its not too much trouble....
Please could you take some more photos of it...  I already have the rear view shot with the new fans & i also have the side with the switches & power lead...  Could you take close pics of the other sides & also some close pics of the inside from various angles
Also i went over the Ebay parts list you kindly added here... only some are no longer available on ebay anymore  so i cant see the pics of whatever it looked like... do you think you could find them & save the pics & post them here as a kind of pictorial parts you will need kind of list? That would be really useful
& also where i can buy the vac motors for it
& Could you possibly mention in step by step style what you started doing first
Cheers Jim

[john martin]

Yes... Tbh it really looks Amazing!
I would like to have a go at making the Vac Booster Box...
If its not too much trouble....
Please could you take some more photos of it...  I already have the rear view shot with the new fans & i also have the side with the switches & power lead...  Could you take close pics of the other sides & also some close pics of the inside from various angles
Also i went over the Ebay parts list you kindly added here... only some are no longer available on ebay anymore  so i cant see the pics of whatever it looked like... do you think you could find them & save the pics & post them here as a kind of pictorial parts you will need kind of list? That would be really useful
& also where i can buy the vac motors for it
& Could you possibly mention in step by step style what you started doing first
Cheers Jim

   thats a heap of things to do before bedtime   
do u have an email address to send me and il send u anything i have when i get time or help u if u decide to go ahead and build it .   Do you have an Enforcer or is it another machine you are considering it for .

[James Jacob]

Its going to be for an Enforcer i will be getting as my next machine
So its like im getting everything ready before baby arrives....
james.jacob@hotmail.co.uk
Ive got the stanley box ready in my watch list to buy... ive found it there for £29.16 now
So im ready to start buying the parts

[john martin]

Its going to be for an Enforcer i will be getting as my next machine
So its like im getting everything ready before baby arrives....
james.jacob@hotmail.co.uk
Ive got the stanley box ready in my watch list to buy... ive found it there for £29.16 now
So im ready to start buying the parts

Ok then     you sound enthusiastic and ready to boost  ... 
il message u soon   

[James Jacob]

Yes Very enthusiastic
Ill buy the Stanley box now... I Love this Exciting Project!

[James Jacob]

Hi John... Im ready to start whenever you are ready... if you send me an email thats good too