[Steve Chapman]

Are the cfr machines as good as advertised, i use a extracta excel but do get fed up filling all the time and a t/m isn't really an option??
cheers
steve

[stu_thomson]

steve, have had my pro 400 for nearly a year now, and after a shaky start getting used to the wand etc, I am well happy with it now, and would not go back to conventional machines. So much quicker, no more carrying water buckets. That new perfect heat one looks good.

regards

stu

[Andrew Briscoe]

Steve -Stu, have been using the new cfr perfect heat
for two weeks now, the machine has to be one of the
best i have come accross. the heat is awesome when
req and the wand and handtool are the dogs wotsits.
machine is very maneuverable and is very easy to load
and unload and climbs path steps ok despite the weight
drying times are unbelievable. works fine with cold water
also when using m/s

andrew

[Shaun_Ashmore]

How dry does it leave carpets in comparison to a 'standard' HWE

Shaun

[Andrew Briscoe]

  compared to the alltec twin vac i was using it is a great
improvment. on some carpets (polypropolene) used wih a dryer
it is very quick.by the time you finish, set down machine and lod kit into van, and chat with custy, remove dryer last and carpet is dry within the hour or sooner
    andrew

[Derek]

Amtech UK are having an Open Day on the 31st of this Month (January) in Burgess Hill

Derek

[carpetclean]

excuse my ignorance but what is a cfr machine. i keep trying to find it something about them on the search engines but nothing. could someone explain to this ignorant person. i would appreciate a link if anyone has one

[stevegunn]

Theres one on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/400-psi-CFR-Carpet-Cleaning-Machine-Cleaner_W0QQitemZ4435492473QQcategoryZ43526QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Dennis]

excuse my ignorance but what is a cfr machine. i keep trying to find it something about them on the search engines but nothing. could someone explain to this ignorant person. i would appreciate a link if anyone has one

http://www.cfrcorp.com/

[carpetclean]

THANKS FOR THE LINK DENNIS

[Art]

These machines in theory look amazing but personally i'd like to hear what some of the more experienced C/C's like Doug etc.  think of these 

Arthur

[Steve Chapman]

thanks for the replies everyone, i think if they save time refilling then that has to be a major plus for them, i just wonder whether the filters get really clogged with all that dirt still in the recovery tank
steve

[cleaning co]

ive never seen these in action,but if they are meant to be so good y are we still using portys that hav to be fill with water all the time, these machines would save lot time and grief etc ,also there web site is stating than u can use a single vac machine with over 70ft hose !!! and not to sure about the claims about the heat on the new one.
comments please
gary

[Art]

Gary,

 That was exactly my line of thought 

[stu_thomson]

These machines in theory look amazing but personally i'd like to hear what some of the more experienced C/C's like Doug etc. think of these

Arthur

Arthur, Ive been cleaning carpets since 1991, so I do regard my self as a little experienced by now, and can say it is the easiest most effective machine ive used. Yes I do use the machine with its extension hose which makes it 58ft,with some loss of suction but not too bad, although the new one comes with 2 vacuums i believe.

regards stu

[cleaning co]

also on the heat test they done with filling with hot tap water,well my v2 inline heater givs out steam at 100ft so were would mine come on their graphs ? thier test were done at 20 ft and they claim no other porty gets near it  :

[Mark Roberts]

I cant see where they claim no other porty gets near it?
I think what they are saying is there method of heating produces subtained heat 20-30deg over a conventional electic heater therefore not needing another lead as they take the heat from the motors.

When the water is too dirty to filter the machine simply shuts down. Obviously how long this takes will depend on level of soiling.

Mark

[cleaning co]

hav another read on their site mark

[cleaning co]

400 psi

[fibresafe]

Constant steam at 400psi at 100 feet?

[cleaning co]

and another thing, www.cleansmartsupplies.co.uk are stating waterlift of 240 ,cfm of 220 for this machine but the offic site states water lift 150 cfm 101 now thats a bit nauty ant it ?

[cleaning co]

no i never said constant but u get reg burst of steam  and when its not steaming very very  hot, if i done the test cfr done i would hav constant steam,im just norm use at these lenghts u cannot put your hand on water pipe on wand

[Martin S]

I think you will find the figures that Cleansmart are quoting come from the 'official Uk' Distributor for CFR machines:

http://www.amtechuk.biz/perfect_heat_spec_b.php

The website link that Dennis provided was to the American manufacturers site.

I believe that some of the specifications are different for US and UK spec machines, but looking at both, they do seem to claim different figures for machines with 2x2 stage vacs!!

I thought the new 'Pro500' had 2x3 stage!!  Or is the 'perfect heat range different again?

Maybe someone can explain this (Steve C!!  If you are watching)

With CFR though, seeing is believing.

Regards

[Mark Roberts]

Yep Martin you are correct.
The uk versions come with 2x3 stage vacs which is different from the US spec.
I would phone Amtech to make sure.

Mark

[Martin S]

Hey Mark,

Have you decided on your new 'toy' yet?

Regards.

[Mark Roberts]

Hi Martin,

Still got 3 older toys to shift first.
Hope your well

Mark

[BRSL]

When I done my NCCA course they the CFR guys there doing a demo, I thought then and still now how they deal with sanatising, if recycling water if you extract some Dog pee and dont realise, then you clean the rest of the house with, dog pee 

Stu have I missed something here how does yours work

James

[therapist]

Unless you have serious sinus problems you will know that you've encountered ' dog pee 'and take the obvious action.

These are without doubt, the most effective machine I.ve ever used and I've been cleaning carpets, very well, for around 20 years

The system of heating was ridiculed on these boards previously, by someone who presumably had never seen it demonstrated.

The earlier machines were criticised for only having single vac' but even then, the tooling resulted fantastic results.

Ideally the CFR should be used with a microsplitter.

rob m

[Mark Roberts]

And mine is still for sale if anyone is interested.
mark@fresherclean.co.uk

Mark

[BRSL]

Rob I agree but what is the process, clean affected area sanatise deoderise etc then empty machine sanatise machine fill and start again,

Im not having a dig at the CFR's but I just see a big flaw in it, I must be missing something

and what about heavy soliled areas like bar tar in pubs

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

I'll confirm that. V2 Rules the heat war.
Just been on CFR website - The downdraft dryer looks like a clever piece of kit. The concept really makes sense for carpets.

[Mark Roberts]

If I’m cleaning in a nursing home where urine deposits are concentrated then I simply add CFR’s specific bactericides and carry on cleaning as normal. This cleans, kills bacteria and removes the odour. If it didn’t work these odours would still be present and I would have disappointed customers.
Lets not forget on normal everyday cleaning you are not killing the bacteria with a normal machine..When treating urine with any machine you should use the right chemical. When you leave a carpet damp the bacteria levels are sky high.  The same levels applie to a sofa you have cleaned with a normal extractor. Would you eat your dinner off your carpet or sofa?

[therapist]

Think Mark's answered your question, pretty well and whatever you do now with pub carpets now, you would continue to do with a CFR

The difference is, you can dwell on heavily soiled areas with the CFR.

 rob m

[cleaning co]

still confused lol on amtec site the cfr pro 500 has 2x2stage vacs,but next to it is a powerflight machine now this has same specs as a cfr machine apart from it has 2x3stage vacs and about £800 cheaper is this the english one ? it looks bit diffrent ,also whats the wonder wand about? can u use it on any machine? has anyone got one

p.s if they so good y u selling yours mark? and yours looks totally diffrent ?

[Ian Gourlay]

Do they have twin vac ?


I think they appear to be a good idea.

The problem with equipment is you need to try it for a couple of weeks before you know if it solves your problem

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

I have never used one but seen at Exhibitions.

It's a difficult concept of using water more than once but there are experienced pros who swear by CFR.

I would like to trial one for a week or two to really see if it works.

Cheers

Doug

[Martin S]

Cleaning co,

The powerflight machine is a traditional 'Non-recycling' machine.  I think CFR produced this machine because some CC's can not, or will not, get there heads around the recycling concept.  This gives them a more traditional option.

Regarding the vacs.  I thought the pro 500 had 2x3 stage.  The pro 500 'perfect heat' seems to have 2x2 stage!  My guess is, that as it also comes with an inbuilt heater element as well as 500psi pump, maybe something has to give regarding the capability of a domestic power supply.  I don't know, but just a guess.

Regarding the wand, you should only use CFR wands with the reclycling model as this is an integral part of the system.

I have to say that the ability to clean a whole house without needing to worry about any emptying/refilling is a godsend.   

Regards

[BRSL]

Mark, Rob

thanks for the replies, but unfortunatly I still remain sceptical, I would like to have a demo in the right situation first before I decide to buy, I do like the wand though, I tried it out once and glides so easy but there lies anouther problem to me, although I use my green glide a lot somtimes you just need a good bit of agitation from the wand which I dowbt this is acheivable from the CFR,

But will have to agree the new machines look like good bits of kit and can see them being an advantage more than a dissadvantage most of the time but just cant my head round it

James

[Martin S]

some CC's can not, or will not, get there heads around the recycling concept. 

As I said.   

[Steve Chapman]

Didn't realize this would be a long discussion, but must admit i'm starting to think about the negatives alot more now! - Perhaps that's why not too many companies are going in for it?
steve

[boshravie]

You are wrong martin about the wonder wond, beacuse we have one which we use with our NINJA machine and it does wonders.

[cleaning co]

the job u are on, has it got chicken flu virus or something? or are them trainers so so expencive u hav to cover them up ? lmfco !!! :
gary

[Martin S]

You are wrong martin about the wonder wond, beacuse we have one which we use with our NINJA machine and it does wonders.

Boshravie,

The wonder wand was I believe designed specifically for use with the more traditional extractors, ala 'CFR powerflite' et al.
 
I was talking about the CFR 'roller' and 'glide' wands, which are meant to be used with the recycling system, and rinse in a 'forward' motion.  Maybe I wasn't totally clear in what I was trying to say.

That said, there are some TM operators that use the CFR wand as they have larger capacity water tanks.   

[boshravie]

Hi Martin
Yes i know the roller and glide Wand was designed specially for the CFR, but this is the NEW type which you pull back, like all the other wands except it is so efective in terms of drying time on the carpet.

I think every body should try it out.

Boshravie

[cleaning co]

yeah they wanna be good for touch under £500 in this country becasue carpet cleaning is such small market  the price of machines and wands etc is unreal, i bet every thing is less than half in the states? u cant even get an entry level truckmount in this country for what i payed for my brand new van !! the pump in my machine to buy is £500 unreal how much is a central heating pump?a v2 heater is £600 how much is central heating boiler ? do u know u can buy a 2000psi hot pressure washer with a disel burner for about £1400 !! so on a truckmount u are paying £6000 plus more  to work the vac !! ive thought about this few times y not buy hot presure washer leave it u van then just buy a machine with just the vacs and u got u self a really powerfull cleaning setup just a thought :

[carpetclean]

hi cleaning company no offence but if you put your thoughts in to  practice perhaps you could start production at a fraction of the cost of the big boys and make all our lives easier!!

[cleaning co]

lol dont think i get the seal of approval from the cleaning lords lol
but i think i might put it togrther for myself, seen great bit kit whats ideal called a gerni, runs of one lead, and ashbys would sell u the base of thier machines with just the 2x3stage vacs , i would hav two connected to a solutions waste tank   then u hav 4x3stage vacs ,2000psi pump with disel burner that gets to steam,think it work a treat , u could do this for under £3000 i recon, and u could do other cleaning types of cleaning with it if u want

[carpetclean]

sounds complicated and messy would like to see it if you manage it. bear in mind the big players probably started with similar ideas.

[BRSL]

comon Gary you know the real machines dont run off electric 

But to have ideas is never a bad thing 

im still waiting for someone to design servo's so TM's, can go remote control, should be easy for yours Gary

[cleaning co]

its really simple, and rember u dont get any thing meaty with a porty because thats what they are made for to be porty, if a manfacter thought their was a decent demand for using a setup in your van they could make them easy with desil burners very high presure pumps etc, but they might only sell 1 for every 1oo normal porty thet sell so its not viable,alltec made a big machine few years ago but they stoped because i recon they sold to few it looked like a coffin think it was called a milluim or something  be intresting to know if anyone on here has one