Gav Camm lammy 283

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jsm's assasin pole
« on: October 23, 2010, 01:30:53 am »
well guys ill be trialing this new pole soon
and will be giving my full report soon it
is up to 60ft + users reach expect a full n detailed report
sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
im awaiting delivery  watch this space  ;D ;D
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Gav Camm lammy 283

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2010, 01:33:57 am »
this is the pole all the brodex guys will
beg for nigh on 60ft lite as a feather  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2010, 01:40:06 am »
this is the pole all the brodex guys will
beg for nigh on 60ft lite as a feather  ;D ;D ;D
on trial nxt wk wiv gardiners supalite brush
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 01:45:55 am »
gav stop talking to yer self and give us a clue on what you are talking about ;)

wtf is jsm

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2010, 01:49:31 am »
john is JSM e is going be making
poles fore the boys reach is no limit
price is cheap lol  ;D ;D ;D
taking window cleaning to new heights
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 02:03:11 am »
gav stop talking to yer self and give us a clue on what you are talking about ;)

wtf is jsm
stu what height do u clean to ????
this pole will b an all rounder up tp 30ft easy
#all day pole  ;D ;D
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2010, 02:19:36 am »
gav are you talking jeff brimbles pole if so I agree, if not explain

at the moment 50 foot is my limit height wise but that can be extended for the right price

I am not taking the pee mate sometimes I struggle with your text talk ;) but most of the time I know what you are on about but the only time I use a mobile is to answer it and say yes yer windaes will be clean the the morra leave the money under ::)

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 05:31:31 am »
What kind of coin we talking?

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2010, 08:09:33 am »
hi Ian ,
The pole is the moduler carbon fishing that we have been using for the past few years , tried and tested .

not the F16 - ive found a better pole thats a little bit stiffer and stronger .

in action daily pic - http://www.jsmcleaning.co.uk/page3.html

great for them long runs of 3.4.5 story  stuff

looking to get some second hand ones to sell first for the boys to test .... so text me if you interested and ill get making ..
mobile on website .
John Malone
JSM. Window & General Cleaning
(  North Wales  )
Giving homes a shine sicne 1989

one of the early gang of wfp er's ---- remember , when you cant see out - give JSM a shout

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2010, 08:12:48 am »
hi john i be intested in trying one of these pole please. ;) ;) ;) 8) 8)

what sort of cost are we talking ;) ;)
you can email me at rich-frank@hotmail.co.uk

if you dont want to say price on forum


thanks frank

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2010, 11:10:44 am »
Its great to see the prices dropping, no need to spend loads on a modular, I have said in the past that there are other good makes out there- just that the F16 was  one I trialled and could reccomend because you will always be able to get spare sections. Smithys had his older style Maver ? The M16 is stronger in some ways than the F16.
John showed me his pole and although there is slightly more flex/give  in the sections when you press them he assures me that its stronger longtitudely. The price is a less than the £300 for an M16 so well done John if your going to tell all.  8) 8) 8) He did post the make sometime ago but nobody picked up on it  ::)

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2010, 12:20:49 pm »
I have found by getting two 11 metre modular poles and using tape in certain places I can get to about 50 ft only get a few windows that i need to reach at 35 ft but nice to now if i need it i got it and probably could repeat the process and keep going higher but gets a bit whippy. don't want to give too much away. ;D hopefully the bigger companies will bring there prices down ::)

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2010, 06:12:47 pm »
I have found by getting two 11 metre modular poles and using tape in certain places I can get to about 50 ft only get a few windows that i need to reach at 35 ft but nice to now if i need it i got it and probably could repeat the process and keep going higher but gets a bit whippy. don't want to give too much away. ;D hopefully the bigger companies will bring there prices down ::)



Companies bringing there prices down is a fair comment, but do you apply that thinking to your business? Or is it a case of double standards.

For example - if you window cleaning business cost you £5,000 to operate each year and you turnover £40,000 each year, your charging 8 times the cost. Do you expect poles to be less than 8 times there cost?

ewan shut the fuc  k up you co ck

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2010, 06:22:46 pm »
I have found by getting two 11 metre modular poles and using tape in certain places I can get to about 50 ft only get a few windows that i need to reach at 35 ft but nice to now if i need it i got it and probably could repeat the process and keep going higher but gets a bit whippy. don't want to give too much away. ;D hopefully the bigger companies will bring there prices down ::)



Companies bringing there prices down is a fair comment, but do you apply that thinking to your business? Or is it a case of double standards.

For example - if you window cleaning business cost you £5,000 to operate each year and you turnover £40,000 each year, your charging 8 times the cost. Do you expect poles to be less than 8 times there cost?

ewan shut the fuc  k up you co ck

Ohhh, I've just had a Meatloaf moment! ;D (you took the words right out of my mouth, just incase you didn't get it!) ;)

Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2010, 06:46:36 pm »
I have found by getting two 11 metre modular poles and using tape in certain places I can get to about 50 ft only get a few windows that i need to reach at 35 ft but nice to now if i need it i got it and probably could repeat the process and keep going higher but gets a bit whippy. don't want to give too much away. ;D hopefully the bigger companies will bring there prices down ::)



Companies bringing there prices down is a fair comment, but do you apply that thinking to your business? Or is it a case of double standards.

For example - if you window cleaning business cost you £5,000 to operate each year and you turnover £40,000 each year, your charging 8 times the cost. Do you expect poles to be less than 8 times there cost?


Thats like comparing cats with dogs.

The cost of operating a business includes the wage you have to draw which if we say is £30k then the profit is £5k and the cost is £35k so your 'charging' 1.142 times the cost.

Your profit is 14%

ian1972

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2010, 07:10:01 pm »
No pleasing some people good cheap pole yet some sod moans about it

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2010, 07:21:58 pm »
nobody has said how much it is yet ???

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2010, 07:27:03 pm »
Remember i have to pay out to buy the fishing pole which MAP or Ron Thomsom has already made a profit on and the shop I buy it from has also made a profit as well say pole costs me £100 and I slap some tape on it which take an hour and ship it out at £200 still less than £300 cheaper or maybe source the carbon fibre poles direct and make an even larger profit.If you want to carry on paying over the odds for equipment go ahead but i know where i would rather spend money and i dont have to wait for them to send me replacement clamps after a months use or some glue.

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2010, 07:28:48 pm »
nobody has said how much it is yet ???
stu 50ft cud be as cheap as 250 ;D ;D
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2010, 07:32:06 pm »
nobody has said how much it is yet ???
stu 50ft cud be as cheap as 250 ;D ;D

I have already made my own modular carbon fibre pole ;)

Gav Camm lammy 283

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2010, 08:14:06 pm »
tidy m8 ;D
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2010, 08:46:00 pm »



Companies bringing there prices down is a fair comment, but do you apply that thinking to your business? Or is it a case of double standards.

For example - if you window cleaning business cost you £5,000 to operate each year and you turnover £40,000 each year, your charging 8 times the cost. Do you expect poles to be less than 8 times there cost?

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ewan shut the fuc  k up you co ck
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Haha I've just had a real good belly laugh out loud at that reply frankie, ewan is so thick skinned you'd need an elephant gun to get through it haha, not once has he ever proved he's a wc an not a plant

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2010, 08:58:29 pm »
Its great to see the prices dropping, no need to spend loads on a modular, I have said in the past that there are other good makes out there- just that the F16 was  one I trialled and could reccomend because you will always be able to get spare sections. Smithys had his older style Maver ? The M16 is stronger in some ways than the F16.
John showed me his pole and although there is slightly more flex/give  in the sections when you press them he assures me that its stronger longtitudely. The price is a less than the £300 for an M16 so well done John if your going to tell all.  8) 8) 8) He did post the make sometime ago but nobody picked up on it  ::)

I think I know the make but I will not say if he is planning on selling them, just wish you would slip up on the make of your pole jeff ;D

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2010, 09:04:55 pm »
Sounds like someone who has tried the telescopics and found that they dont stay up, I think that at the price I am selling them for you would struggle to make one even if you knew which one stays up  ;)

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2010, 09:09:14 pm »
Sounds like someone who has tried the telescopics and found that they dont stay up, I think that at the price I am selling them for you would struggle to make one even if you knew which one stays up  ;)

yes I know mate I will probably get round to ordering one soon ;)

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2010, 09:18:32 pm »
Sounds like someone who has tried the telescopics and found that they dont stay up, I think that at the price I am selling them for you would struggle to make one even if you knew which one stays up  ;)

yes I know mate I will probably get round to ordering one soon ;)
stu iv got jeffs pole and can vouch for it
its a gr8 all day pole im gona put an extension on it  ;D
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2010, 09:22:52 pm »
I have found by getting two 11 metre modular poles and using tape in certain places I can get to about 50 ft only get a few windows that i need to reach at 35 ft but nice to now if i need it i got it and probably could repeat the process and keep going higher but gets a bit whippy. don't want to give too much away. ;D hopefully the bigger companies will bring there prices down ::)



Companies bringing there prices down is a fair comment, but do you apply that thinking to your business? Or is it a case of double standards.

For example - if you window cleaning business cost you £5,000 to operate each year and you turnover £40,000 each year, your charging 8 times the cost. Do you expect poles to be less than 8 times there cost?


Thats like comparing cats with dogs.

The cost of operating a business includes the wage you have to draw which if we say is £30k then the profit is £5k and the cost is £35k so your 'charging' 1.142 times the cost.

Your profit is 14%



I know it’s a crude example sunshine, the point I’m making is there is a lot more that goes into providing a window cleaning service or product, customers don’t care or consider they only see the price they have to pay.

Basically these types of customers don’t have the money but they still want the service or product.

Ewan, often you're far to complex. Many of us don;t want to know about profits and costs and ratios, we just dont wanna spend nearly a grand on a modular, carbon fibre pole when we might be able to get one for £300. I couldn't care less about the rest of your maths lesson. Out of interest, could you recomend a good 60 foot pole from personal experience?

mikecam

Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2010, 10:14:51 pm »
Very good point mikecam, put perfectly you don’t want to spend a grand on a modular pole, fantastic now were getting somewhere.

Other than looking for a cheaper alternative pole, what’s the alternative answer(s)?

Thats simple, the alternative is that it'll be out of my reach, pardon the pun.

elite mike

Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2010, 10:38:37 pm »
Very good point mikecam, put perfectly you don’t want to spend a grand on a modular pole, fantastic now were getting somewhere.

Other than looking for a cheaper alternative pole, what’s the alternative answer(s)?

Thats simple, the alternative is that it'll be out of my reach, pardon the pun.
;D ;D

Gav Camm lammy 283

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2010, 12:06:06 am »
any body looking for a  lite pole 50ft ish shud seriously
view this option or pay up to a 1k or 1500 quid for a pole
simples really  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2010, 07:59:22 am »
Would rather spend a grand on the family if there is a choice

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2010, 07:53:05 pm »
Sounds like someone who has tried the telescopics and found that they dont stay up, I think that at the price I am selling them for you would struggle to make one even if you knew which one stays up  ;)
The one I bought off you stays up fine Jeff, I didn't even have to put a little blue tablet in the water.

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2010, 07:59:38 pm »
Sounds like someone who has tried the telescopics and found that they dont stay up, I think that at the price I am selling them for you would struggle to make one even if you knew which one stays up  ;)
The one I bought off you stays up fine Jeff, I didn't even have to put a little blue tablet in the water.
;D

Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2010, 10:00:14 pm »
What I love about you EWan is all your positive input when someone  is helping this industry. I guess no one loves you at home. Have you trieded joining a forum for unhappy people.

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2010, 04:22:26 pm »
Look forward to seeing future post where 4th floor windows are now cleaned for a fiver, LOL

When are you going to learn?

I think you miss understand me when others can provide a pole for half the price then the larger companies will have to follow and reduce their prices or prove the provide value for money.
My customers dont care if my poles cost me £50 or £1500,It is only a tool to help me reach a window using a brush with water.My choice if i want to spend thousands when i can do the job for a few hundred. :P

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2010, 05:41:51 pm »
Good god just what exactly is your problem with someone using a fishing pole?does it affect you in any way shape of form?I understand you and everyone else is entitled to there opinion but stop moaning you made your point

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2010, 06:14:31 pm »
 ;D Maybe he does it for spare money or enjoyment and wants to share we should be grateful to guys like them (jsm or jeff B)for there contributions to the industry  :)

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2010, 06:55:51 pm »


Put simply if you can’t afford the cost of any equipment, you should be learning there’s more to operating a window cleaning business, unless you stick to a kind of thinking that’s for the uninitiated.



Do you really believe all the hype that manufacturers give out?
Who knows the most about window cleaning? you who does the job day in day out, or the manufacturer's? You have it the wrong way round mate, they should be listening to us, not telling us what we need.
I think Alex listened and his success is proof of it, but at what price to us?
I have a superlte brush, but prefer the new B&Q monofilament that costs a fiver.
That's my personal choice, I like the way the longer bristles splay out over the frames.
Unless we as window cleaners experiment, and strive for better ways of doing the job, this industry will not move forward, it's us that encounter the problems daily and find a way round them.
 Not some guy sat on his butt, dreaming up the next must have product that's going to make his company a fortune.
Do you think that playing with a five grand set of golf clubs is going to make you into Tiger Woods?

clearlyclean

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2010, 06:59:54 pm »
nicely put dia  :)

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2010, 08:08:57 pm »
this has gone way off topic I would like to see jsm's assasin pole being put through its paces

Dave Willis

Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2010, 08:36:28 pm »
I think some people need to realise why some products cost more than others. If you buy for example a Gardiners Superlight you will be paying for a pole built specifically to clean windows - nothing else. It will probably be 100% carbon, have a reinforced top section and will be made to be used for the job and not for yanking carp out of the local pond.
Fishing poles can be made far cheaper as they will be mass produced - probably in China.
I've been down the fishing pole route and it was great ... at first. I patted myself on the back for saving a few bob but then nearly cried when I destroyed one section after another through clumsy use.

I don't think any manufacturer will reduce their prices to compete with DIY - they don't need to. They will always be able to shift quality products.
Have ionics reduced their systems to compete with DIY?
Have Omnipole reduced their vacs to compete with DIY

Gav Camm lammy 283

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2010, 08:42:06 pm »
dave the point is this most wc only need a large 50ft +pole
for a few hours work each month
so most grumble at the vast ammounts charged
what john is offering is a affordable
second option , he's not saying they are
indestuctable he's saying they are
another tool for our use
 ;) ;) ;)
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 it would be C.C.C  Probably the best WINDOW CLEANERS IN THE WORLD ..........."

Dave Willis

Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2010, 08:49:15 pm »
That's great and I see exactly where you are coming from. I just think it's a mistake to compare with the purpose built stuff and come to the conclusion that it should all cost the same.
Good luck to anyone who likes to invent ways of saving your hard earned dosh. I don't knock anyone for that.

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2010, 11:39:01 pm »
gav you must be exhausted after that post... ;D
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clear-clean-repair-replace

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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2010, 11:41:57 pm »
gav you must be exhausted after that post... ;D
;D

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2010, 07:04:51 am »
I think some people need to realise why some products cost more than others. If you buy for example a Gardiners Superlight you will be paying for a pole built specifically to clean windows - nothing else. It will probably be 100% carbon, have a reinforced top section and will be made to be used for the job and not for yanking carp out of the local pond.
Fishing poles can be made far cheaper as they will be mass produced - probably in China.
I've been down the fishing pole route and it was great ... at first. I patted myself on the back for saving a few bob but then nearly cried when I destroyed one section after another through clumsy use.

I don't think any manufacturer will reduce their prices to compete with DIY - they don't need to. They will always be able to shift quality products.
Have ionics reduced their systems to compete with DIY?
Have Omnipole reduced their vacs to compete with DIY

I have the SL2 and it now gets used on one job once a month, I paid £800 just to have the capability of reaching 60ft.
Jeff B got to 80 ft plus with his DIY pole.

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2010, 07:22:32 am »
dave the point is this most wc only need a large 50ft +pole
for a few hours work each month
so most grumble at the vast ammounts charged
what john is offering is a affordable
second option , he's not saying they are
indestuctable he's saying they are
another tool for our use
 ;) ;) ;)
best post gav ever done.keep up the good work gav,them evening classes are helping. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2010, 09:27:10 am »
Am sure he will b making sone sort of profit and I spoke to him the other day and ordered 1 and belive me it's going get used,and for the coin it is I ain't moaning all,no I don't belive it will make suppliers drop there prices but to b honest I don't think that's johns idea

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2010, 02:56:20 pm »
dave the point is this most wc only need a large 50ft +pole
for a few hours work each month
so most grumble at the vast ammounts charged
what john is offering is a affordable
second option , he's not saying they are
indestuctable he's saying they are
another tool for our use
 ;) ;) ;)
best post gav ever done.keep up the good work gav,them evening classes are helping. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
what u tryin to say franky lad  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2010, 03:45:24 pm »
Could be u talk random poope normally but hey most on ere do lol

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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2010, 03:51:05 pm »
Could be u talk random poope normally but hey most on ere do lol
ian u surprise me pal  :(
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Re: jsm's assasin pole
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2010, 04:01:12 pm »
Am only messing mate it is a intresting post