Rob.Hall

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Where are they coming from?
« on: July 24, 2023, 02:03:45 pm »
 Has anyone noticed a lot more shinners around?
There are about 4 regulars + Priors now and again around my way.
Over the last 5 weeks I have seen another 6.
I am not effected but just seem curious to see if anyone else is noticing an influx?

EandM

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2023, 02:08:05 pm »
It’s Summertime.

Most will be gone by October - or before.

Rob.Hall

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2023, 02:14:39 pm »
These shinners have nice vans and gear.
The suppliers must be rubbing there hands in glee.

Shrek

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2023, 03:02:45 pm »
This unfortunately is partly a result of sites like this explaining in full detail how to set up a window cleaning business, plus YouTube showing inside van set ups and showing exactly how to do the job

Jay Le Huray

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2023, 03:30:05 pm »
This unfortunately is partly a result of sites like this explaining in full detail how to set up a window cleaning business, plus YouTube showing inside van set ups and showing exactly how to do the job

could not agree more Shrek, to much info out there and they think it's easy money

Stoots

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2023, 03:34:52 pm »
Saturated all over the coutry now, theres a new one every week

If people think they will be gone by winter wrong. Its so easy to build a round up these days.

I know 4 window cleaners in my area all worked for the same big company then set up on their own one after the other, all full with work within a couple of years.

It was always going to go this way, its the information age its not just window cleaning but most sevice businesses are the same.

zesty

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2023, 04:04:31 pm »
These shinners have nice vans and gear.
The suppliers must be rubbing there hands in glee.

Yep same,

Literally 10’s of them, branded up, good vans, good websites, it’s gone nuts…

deeege

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2023, 04:35:09 pm »
Low barrier to entry business, there will always be loads of new startups. I wouldn’t want to be building a round these days…
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Smudger

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2023, 04:38:47 pm »
Haven't you heard - there's a cost of living crisis going on,

window cleaning is seen as easy money, fuelled by the endless posts of only needing to work 3 mornings a week and taking home £800+

Then of course you will always have the idiots who go out buy a van have an expensive system fitted etc... are 20K in the hole and not have a single customer....

Time the above realise they need a good customer base it's too late - the cold winter is here and their earning don't even cover the payments on the equipment

Not that any of you guys need to worry eh!

Darran
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Lee Pryor

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2023, 06:50:56 pm »
Has anyone noticed a lot more shinners around?
There are about 4 regulars + Priors now and again around my way.
Over the last 5 weeks I have seen another 6.
I am not effected but just seem curious to see if anyone else is noticing an influx?

You spelt my name wrong Rob x  ;D
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NBwcs

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2023, 07:02:49 pm »
I've noticed alot of new faces too but not van set ups, ladder monkeys.

cgh window cleaning

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2023, 07:08:16 pm »
It’s been like this round my way for a while now.
My town is home to the first spotless water station with that and all the free information it caused a massive influx and has resulted in my town being saturated with window cleaners.

Every one is at it and very few chuck in the towel.

I’m well established and whilst it doesn’t affect me hugely I have noticed inquiries slowed massively in resent years and getting good priced work is getting a lot harder.
The price of some work round my way is dire and I’m not in a poor area.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2023, 08:43:52 pm »
Keeps us all on our toes I suppose. Gotta make yourself better than the competition. And I don’t necessarily mean on price.

Perfect Windows

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2023, 09:46:05 pm »
Keeps us all on our toes I suppose. Gotta make yourself better than the competition. And I don’t necessarily mean on price.

This.  A thousand times, this.

Vin

Missing Link

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2023, 09:48:56 pm »
Most don't last.  About a month ago I saw a large window cleaning van, shiny, lovely sign written,  in the garden centre I clean the windows of.

The fella that owned it had a chat with me; he bought it off a local window cleaner who didn't last very long at all.  He wanted to know what I charged the garden centre and I think he wanted me to confirm that it's easy money.  ;D ;D ;D

I doubt the guy who bought it will last long either.
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AuRavelling79

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2023, 09:59:24 pm »
Has anyone noticed a lot more shinners around?
There are about 4 regulars + Priors now and again around my way.
Over the last 5 weeks I have seen another 6.
I am not effected but just seem curious to see if anyone else is noticing an influx?

You spelt my name wrong Rob x  ;D

Don't take it to heart Lee. He can't spell shiner either.  ;D
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Splash & dash

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2023, 10:42:01 pm »
This unfortunately is partly a result of sites like this explaining in full detail how to set up a window cleaning business, plus YouTube showing inside van set ups and showing exactly how to do the job


I do agree with this ,but the van set up is the easy bit getting the customers is going to be the hard part for most and this is why the majority don’t succeed

zesty

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2023, 06:58:16 am »
It’s been like this round my way for a while now.
My town is home to the first spotless water station with that and all the free information it caused a massive influx and has resulted in my town being saturated with window cleaners.

Every one is at it and very few chuck in the towel.

I’m well established and whilst it doesn’t affect me hugely I have noticed inquiries slowed massively in resent years and getting good priced work is getting a lot harder.
The price of some work round my way is dire and I’m not in a poor area.

That’s what I found, they very rarely seem to give up.

I also noticed a drop in enquiries, particularly last 3 years.

Stoots

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2023, 07:31:38 am »
I'm not sure where the notion "most don't last" comes from.

Everyone seems to say this but where is the evidence.

I'd say barely any fail

It's almost Impossible to fail, spend your time knocking doors, posting leaflets and posting on fb and you can't fail.

If you have capital you can buy a round or pay canvassers. I don't see how you can not succeed.

Slacky

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2023, 07:41:09 am »
I know a shiner who didn’t succeed but he had a drink, drug and living in reality issue.

So long as you’re not dealing with that and have adequate self-discipline it’s probably harder to fail than succeed.

dazmond

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2023, 08:34:41 am »
Lots of new window cleaners everywhere but who cares?there's lots of windows that need cleaning and you can't clean them all yourselves.ive also noticed more women cleaning windows where I work too.
price higher/work harder!

Pete Thompson

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2023, 09:33:57 am »
It depends where you live and work.

In a rural area it is WAY harder (ie takes much longer) to build up a sustainable round than it is in a city. (I've done both)

I've seen many, many window cleaners start up, then give up within a year when they've run out of money before they had enough customers to sustain them.  They've had to go and get a job just to pay the bills.

Plus, this business is not for everyone.  Not everyone is a self-starter, and I'd say the vast majority of people need the threat of a bollocking from a boss to get them out of bed on a morning.  Many find this out only when they start working for themselves.

It's also so different from other types of work like a factory or warehouse or an office, it just doesn't suit some.  And a lot of people think they can do it, but just can't get used to not having a predictable pay cheque at the end of the month.

james peters

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2023, 09:56:30 am »
lots of newbies here also...... what i have noticed however, is that the name on the van  is so and so window cleaning.
but they tend to target more exterior cleaning  nothing wrong with that , its great money..... until winter.



Smudger

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2023, 01:37:39 pm »
Why is it not great money come winter ?

Darran
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robbo333

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2023, 07:29:23 pm »
I've noticed the odd one or two new ones, but I'm in Bournemouth, so there are loads and loads of windys here anyway. In all fairness we tend to meet and chat at the watering holes and it's a very sociable affair.
You can't blame people for starting up, times are tough, jobs are disappearing and people need to find a new way to feed their families. I've actually helped a couple of guys starting out and eventhough they are my direct competition, they have become good friends.
Personally, anyone starting up is no direct threat to me; if I lose the odd few customers on price, then so be it, that's the business we're in.
To be honest I'm very grateful to window cleaning, it's given me a reasonable lifestyle for the last 15 years.
Fair play to those people starting up now, hope it goes well.
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james peters

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2023, 07:35:15 am »
Why is it not great money come winter ?

Darran

it is........ but it can slow down in the winter if you are not well established.

dazmond

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2023, 08:34:26 am »
I've noticed the odd one or two new ones, but I'm in Bournemouth, so there are loads and loads of windys here anyway. In all fairness we tend to meet and chat at the watering holes and it's a very sociable affair.
You can't blame people for starting up, times are tough, jobs are disappearing and people need to find a new way to feed their families. I've actually helped a couple of guys starting out and eventhough they are my direct competition, they have become good friends.
Personally, anyone starting up is no direct threat to me; if I lose the odd few customers on price, then so be it, that's the business we're in.
To be honest I'm very grateful to window cleaning, it's given me a reasonable lifestyle for the last 15 years.
Fair play to those people starting up now, hope it goes well.

Just because someone is a window cleaner doesn't mean I want to hang out with them.😄

A nod and a wave is sufficient for me and maybe the odd 5 min chat.
price higher/work harder!

Spruce

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2023, 08:09:48 am »
It doesn't cost much to get started. A backpack, a cheap pole with brush, a couple of plastic containers and water from spotless.

I wonder how much modern radio advertising influences people in general.

I'm thinking of the arena of driving instructors. In just 8 weeks, be your own boss, work when you want to, earn a good wage, etc. No advert says anything about customers or the car needed to succeed, or that a driving instructor has to work to his customer's timetable, not his.

On the outside, our job is seen as an easy one that any body can do, made so much easier by not having to use ladders.

We've seen many new starters come and go over the years. In that time I've lost a hand full of jobs to new starters under cutting my prices, but most disappear after a few months.

I've even had one asking me to give him some of my customers.

It nice to occasionally see one who has succeeded. I do make a point of talking to a cleaner who maybe is cleaning a few houses away from myself. Some talk, some don't.


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NBwcs

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Re: Where are they coming from?
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2023, 09:29:18 am »
I've noticed the odd one or two new ones, but I'm in Bournemouth, so there are loads and loads of windys here anyway. In all fairness we tend to meet and chat at the watering holes and it's a very sociable affair.
You can't blame people for starting up, times are tough, jobs are disappearing and people need to find a new way to feed their families. I've actually helped a couple of guys starting out and eventhough they are my direct competition, they have become good friends.
Personally, anyone starting up is no direct threat to me; if I lose the odd few customers on price, then so be it, that's the business we're in.
To be honest I'm very grateful to window cleaning, it's given me a reasonable lifestyle for the last 15 years.
Fair play to those people starting up now, hope it goes well.

Just because someone is a window cleaner doesn't mean I want to hang out with them.😄

A nod and a wave is sufficient for me and maybe the odd 5 min chat.




That's something else that's changed over the years. Back in the day  nearly every other windy in town would nod or wave when you drove past them, these days some of the newbies are more likely to glare at you like youve just shat on their Christmas Dinner. If they only knew the amount of work that has been passed on to fellow colleagues over the years. This week alone, I passed on a gutter clearing job to a fellow wc and  he passed on a new window cleaning enquiry down a road I work down to me. I quite often  pass on my one off enquiries and any work out of my area to someone. Can't be doing with ignorant people, if we're all respectful to each other it makes life alot easier.