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FAO Rob
« on: August 28, 2014, 10:05:34 pm »
Rob , what is your verdict about the Thor ?

I am getting more commercial work so need a bigger a better machine . Seen the various options 15 to 41LPM  !

Going to keep  my 21 LPM  for 2nd operator

Ed
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Rob_Mac

Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2014, 10:17:30 pm »
Don't buy one!!

I don't use it and have never used it. It's in the other van, Matt uses it all the time and I have two lads working from it next week.

I have 35 LPM on mine and I very rarely split the flow, for two operators.

Jumping from 21 LPM up to 40 LPM sounds phenomenal but in truth with two operators it is only the same as you have now.

I would buy two Zetas @ 30 LPM and if you ever need proper grunt then join the two together for 60 LPM,

Must be cheaper to go that way as well.

I am probably going to be buying a new van over the winter and this is the way I am going.

Unless you have worked from a much bigger machine and then had to split the flow it is difficult to make you see the reasoning.

Rob ;D

Rob_Mac

Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2014, 10:29:27 pm »
That last line doesn't read properly.

What I am trying to say is I have gotten used to the full flow of the H & M and if I used the Thor everyday I would be used to that, when you have to share it you don't gain because you are splitting the speed of working with the flow.

On these bigger flow machines you can clean quicker and deeper and I don't see the gain on putting two people on a job.

Does that make sense?

Rob ;D

Rob_Mac

Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2014, 10:36:20 pm »
When you can clean the same amount as two people, with one person because you're not sharing the flow!

Got there in the end!!!

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2014, 10:38:46 pm »
Yes Rob , i understand what you are saying

Is the Thor not the big brother of the Zeta ? So i would of thought it was a superior machine 

Certainly cheaper going down the Zeta route. Did not know you could join them together you techy !

Ed  
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2014, 10:51:28 pm »
Rob , you can get two Zetas for the price of one Thor
30LPM Zeta is petrol with 18 HP
30LPM Thor is diesel with 23 HP
Would the diesel not have a longer shelf life than the petrol.
Dont care about fuel cost ,

Ed
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2014, 10:52:33 pm »


The Thor is the big brother, it has more flow, so could be considered the better machine but when you're splitting the flow it gains nothing.

I would only buy machines for one operator moving forward and they would have to be a minimum of 30 LPM

Rob ;D

Rob_Mac

Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2014, 10:53:36 pm »
Go with the diesel mate.

No debate there  ;)

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2014, 11:01:33 pm »
Just to explain the picture.

From the left - flow in from two hoses, on each split 100 LPM non return valves, down to one outlet,

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2014, 11:11:07 pm »
Thanks Rob, i did not want to sound thick and ask ! ;D

Rob does the cost  between the machines justify the price difference ?

Confused !!

Ed
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2014, 11:13:05 pm »
I don't know what the price differences are mate but Diesel will always be more expensive.

What are the differences?

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2014, 11:21:36 pm »
30 LPM machines
Guide prices  
Zeta petrol  approx £2530 / £3050 inc vat
Thor diesel approx £5600 / £6825 inc vat
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2014, 11:23:23 pm »
What's the price on the diesel Zeta?

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2014, 11:26:24 pm »
I'm going to guess it is about 3800.00

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2014, 11:30:35 pm »
£3800 21lpm 170bar Zeta diesel

£3600 15LPM 200bar Zeta diesel  

Does not seem high flow or pressure on their diesel machines (10HP)
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2014, 11:32:11 pm »
Yes - I've just been checking. They don't do one @ 30 LPM & 200 bar.

Well that's a game changer!!

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2014, 11:35:18 pm »
I know the machines and because they don't do the 30 LPM it would be the 30 LPM petrol then.

I wonder why they don't fill the gap between the diesel Zeta & Thor?

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2014, 11:37:57 pm »
On the Thor I had to have a bar welded onto it to basically support the outlets from the pump.

It broke, fortunately not shearing the thread in the pump.

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2014, 11:50:45 pm »
When you pay top dollar, you should not have to modify it and would  expect it to be more robust is my view. Ed 
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2014, 07:06:29 am »
I have a 30lpm petrol zeta and its a good machine. Just had it serviced and it runs sweet. its a bit of a beast to be honest. Briggs engine. Goes through about £25 - £30 a day on petrol full tilt. I only use it as a back up machine.

If i ever split the flow, its only to run 2 18" whirlaways (your only getting 15lpm per operator so can only run 18") to clean larger areas faster, then i switch back to single operator to use the 30lpm for the rinse down. makes the rinsing so much faster.


Rob_Mac

Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2014, 10:18:43 am »
Ed

I agree

Matt

That seems like a lot of fuel but the Thor goes through diesel like that, just cheaper because it's cherry.

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2014, 08:16:27 pm »
I'm with you Ed, do not know what to buy at all!!!

Looking a drain jetters at the mo but it's a minefield!

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2014, 08:17:48 pm »
Rob, Matt, if you could buy one machine what would it be? (Within reason 21-40 lt per min).

If you could only have one machine from your current set up, what would it be?

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2014, 08:40:37 pm »
When you need me I'm over on my own Falch Forum...

Rob_Mac

Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2014, 08:50:34 pm »
Billy no mates - Ta for that heads up - Chesterton!!

Neil

I would always go with the H & M because as a one man machine I think it is unbeatable.

If you put it against Lee's Falch it does virtually the same heat, less bar pressure but a much better flow and split on heat it will supply two with more flow than the Falch.

If I could have any machine I would have one of its' big brothers

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2014, 09:20:26 pm »
Neil

If you see something give me a bell and i'll have a look at it for you.

I look at Drain jetters all the time because they have a load more about them than pressure washers and there is always plenty of decent ones on fleabay!

Dead easy to put a couple of reels onto one, keep the jetter reel and flick them over with quick release fittings.

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2014, 04:52:37 pm »
Matt , what other machine do you have other than the Zeta ?

Also what do you think about the Thor ? Ed
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2014, 07:28:25 pm »
Cheers Rob, you'll hate having said that  ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2014, 08:03:25 pm »
Matt , what other machine do you have other than the Zeta ?

Also what do you think about the Thor ? Ed

Ed,

My main machine is a 26hp lombardini diesel with a 21lpm pump an boiler. Van mounted. Havent found anything i cant clean with it and it runs on red diesel. I only use the Zeta on bigger jobs.

I dont know much about the thor, but in my opinion, unless your splitting the flow everyday, 40lpm is too much for one operator on everyday jobs. Yes a higher flowrate makes rinsing quicker, but running a 20 inch mossie or whirlaway on 21lpm will clean a driveway fine. 21lpm will clean most things.

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2014, 09:07:34 pm »
Thanks Matt, bet the Lombardini was not cheap! I agree with all what you say and know that the Zeta petrol 30LPM will be ample .
 I think i would prefer a diesel but Zeta range seem not high flow/pressure/HP  ! Ed



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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2014, 11:49:42 pm »

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2014, 07:47:33 pm »
Rob , the Thor 41lpm . I would imagine this runs at 41lpm on full throttle, so run it just over half throttle you would get between 20-30 LPM. Just thinking about not using it at its ultimate performance hence protecting its shelf life and save on  fuel consumption ect  ! Ed
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2014, 07:53:12 pm »
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2014, 08:40:51 pm »
Chris , hows life 
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2014, 08:48:20 pm »
Have you used one? What is your set up? What do you base your comment on?

Ed -  I wouldn't worry too much about overworking it. It's 200 kilos of solidly built machine, that has everything it needs for a lifetime of work

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2014, 08:50:38 pm »
Lee

Did Maclaren call you today, ref Wolstanton Marks & Spencers?

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2014, 09:00:13 pm »
It's a large overweight box trailer you cannot legally tow...with a plastic tank (IBC would do the same job) ,3000PSI at 20  per minute (you can get that (20lpm) from a £1500 honda). It;s duel fuel so you have to carry petrol and diesel. With the addition on a burner....21 lpm burner is only £700 new.
So £2300 for p/w and burner...£1000 for a box trailer...£50 for Ibc

How much is it???

Have you used one.....No I have not used one.
My set up is a little Briggs and stratton petrol engine , an interpump,and a plastic whirlaway.
My comment is based on the spec of it,the images of it ....and an educated guess at the price. 3000psi at 20 litres a minute is exactly that... whatever continent it's on. They don't even make steam ..only hot water.  
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2014, 09:10:22 pm »
P rick

I've used one for the last four years

You're wrong on just about every count. I can talk from the position of having one and not supposition.

Mines van mounted and you can buy just the machines, without the trailer.

The trailers are quality - ask Rog

Mine isn't duel fuel - runs on red and at a tenner a day is probably more economical than your set up

Don't make steam - come and meet me and I'll show you it running.

As someone who has more than one set up, two of which are both at the top end of quality I can say that you get what you pay for and I get a lot more machine than you. I have paid for that but with my work I need it.

I am not going to be drawn into debating with a fool but the turbo nozzle alone is twice the size of a standard one.

Sometimes, particularly when you don't know it is better to keep your mouth shut but I guess you enjoy the clown facade you have created.

Busy Chris?

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2014, 09:24:33 pm »
The ones on the website are all (except maybe a special order) petrol engined.
Did you not upgrade the pump on yours?
Steam and hot water are two completely different things.

" the turbo nozzle alone is twice the size of a standard one" ..... ;D ;D ;D
Is that like my cock is bigger than yours?
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2014, 09:26:17 pm »
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2014, 09:27:45 pm »
If your c0ck looks like a turbo nozzle, there's something wrong...

Rob_Mac

Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2014, 09:43:42 pm »
The closest thing to them in this country is off your mate Jan (if I remember correctly) and that is about 14k.

You know I didn't pay full price and at the time it was a sizable investment. Having used one and with the way that my works have turned around I would buy another one, preferably second hand  - why - because I know the machine.

I did upgrade the pump, that alone was over £1000.00

Chris you can only tell me about your understanding of them from the website, I can tell you from user experience.

Mine runs day in and day out, nothing has fell off it, it just keeps going, everything is exactly as it was when Rog sold it me and I run it at 35 LPM, all of the time.

I could easily be disparaging about your setup and I could jump in on your posts and try to aggravate confrontation but for what gain.

I had a set up like yours seven years ago and I moved on as my business moved on, nothing wrong with it, a lot of lads have similar, i'm not going to put it down because it is what a lot can afford and if I did that would upset some of them.

I'm about positive and you will see from a lot of my posts that I encourage, particularly the newer lads. I like to see people create opportunities for themselves and develop.

I try and be that person, on here, most of the time.

Have you got a limp or  do you drag your leg, maybe one leg shorter than the other because you were picked on and bullied, at school, for some reason and that comes across in your posts.

I don't care if you have what you see as a failing but you are angry about it.

Would you like me to sort a councillor out for you ?

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2014, 10:01:04 pm »
The closest thing to them in this country is off your mate Jan (if I remember correctly) and that is about 14k.

You know I didn't pay full price and at the time it was a sizable investment. Having used one and with the way that my works have turned around I would buy another one, preferably second hand  - why - because I know the machine.

I did upgrade the pump, that alone was over £1000.00

Chris you can only tell me about your understanding of them from the website, I can tell you from user experience.

Mine runs day in and day out, nothing has fell off it, it just keeps going, everything is exactly as it was when Rog sold it me and I run it at 35 LPM, all of the time.

I could easily be disparaging about your setup and I could jump in on your posts and try to aggravate confrontation but for what gain.

I had a set up like yours seven years ago and I moved on as my business moved on, nothing wrong with it, a lot of lads have similar, i'm not going to put it down because it is what a lot can afford and if I did that would upset some of them.

I'm about positive and you will see from a lot of my posts that I encourage, particularly the newer lads. I like to see people create opportunities for themselves and develop.

I try and be that person, on here, most of the time.

Have you got a limp or  do you drag your leg, maybe one leg shorter than the other because you were picked on and bullied, at school, for some reason and that comes across in your posts.

I don't care if you have what you see as a failing but you are angry about it.

Would you like me to sort a councillor out for you ?

Rob ;D

3000psi 20 lpm and hot water on a trailer....14 K ...like I said overpriced.
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2014, 10:08:43 pm »
Councillor?

A BMW is more expensive than a Reliant Robin -They both do the same thing (in a basic sense they both get you from A to B) but ........ do I need to carry on with the analogy?

Rob ;D


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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2014, 10:20:13 pm »
Matt

What's going on in the gif next to your name?

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2014, 10:28:54 pm »
Honda is of the same build quality as kubota....CAT, Interpump,AR are he best available. I take it  yours is one of those configurations ?
Why did you change the pump?
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2014, 10:39:03 pm »
I'll give you another analogy.

I have three tents

A 1 person TN Laser Comp
A 2 person Crux X2 Storm
A family tent - make I don't know, even though I am sitting in it now.
I also, as of today have a Sil Wing Tarp.

From your perspective I could sleep in a pop up tent from Go Outdoors so why spend the extra money and why have three?

Do you know tents Chris, if you do you will know the answer ;)

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2014, 10:41:33 pm »
Because I realised very quickly that the engine could handle a much bigger pump.

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2014, 11:35:46 pm »
Lee

Did Maclaren call you today, ref Wolstanton Marks & Spencers?

Rob ;D

No mate but I put a playgound in Derby your way that needed to be done by Thursday this week.

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2014, 11:37:27 pm »

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2014, 11:44:27 pm »
Get a call from them.

Can you put two lads on here today please?

No

Have a word with Lee in Manchester, he may have some availability

Ok I'll ring him he said.

Can't have wanted it doing that badly

Oh Lee you didn't need to spend as much as you have on gear you could have got another machine that would have done the job just as well!!

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2014, 06:21:05 am »
Matt

What's going on in the gif next to your name?

Rob ;D

Look closely. It involves a karcher, a jetty and two people.

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2014, 07:21:17 am »
So you buy the worlds best pressure washer ....even though it's grossly overpriced. You then upgrade vital componants because the performance is that of something you can buy in machinemart for about 10% of it's cost.
Like putting your bell tent into your Hilleberg because it lets the rain in.
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2014, 09:18:52 am »
Or I made it even better

Rob;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2014, 09:30:27 am »
I think the Falch is overated at 28k.

I have cleaned everything and never needed 500 bar but Lee and Kevin are happy so good luck to them.

It isn't the limp is it. It's that some have better kit than you!

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2014, 10:28:14 am »
Matt

Is it Chris working on a job?

I can't see my eyes aren't as young as they used to be

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2014, 05:42:37 pm »
I think the Falch is overated at 28k.

I have cleaned everything and never needed 500 bar but Lee and Kevin are happy so good luck to them.

It isn't the limp is it. It's that some have better kit than you!

Rob ;D
But the Falch has performance and steam .....unlike the High and mighty's (as advertised on the website).
So it's like comparing Hilleberg to Gelert.
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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2014, 07:48:44 pm »
Yep

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob
« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2014, 08:29:22 pm »






Chris - these pictures are still on your website. Are you happy with them?

Rob ;D

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Re: FAO Rob New
« Reply #59 on: September 02, 2014, 11:06:31 pm »
Yep ...it gives my customers a clear indication of the sort of company we are. I have new trainers tho' now.
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