chris scott

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2014, 06:58:34 pm »
Do you think you will be able to teach me everything I need to know in one day....I am a slow learner.
Will you give me a days work if I come to Blundellsands...I have my own machine and wellies

 It will take the Indians a year to get the site ranking...so it will be next year.
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Kev Martin

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2014, 07:08:14 pm »
I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living ;D

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JetVac Cleaning

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2014, 07:20:21 pm »
Haha Neil, I just got a call with the square meterage and address of the property, looked on google street view and priced it from there, I even priced it about £30 more as it was abit out my way (travel time etc). Initially he wanted just the front doing but when I got there to do the job he asked abut the back, I just said just an extra £40 while I'm already here, only took about 30mins, he never wanted me to resand it mate.

David, I run an interpump 2030 but only have 2 x 03 nozzles in the surface cleaner so doing around 20lpm, also I get a few extra bar out by tweaking the unloader (which I thought was a bit naughty at first) but the engine can more than cope with the extra pressure, even though the pump is only a 200 bar pump it still copes well with it, ive been running this setup for around 18 months now with out problem. I just came to the conclusion that the larger pumps are built like tanks (everything is oversized and built for the job) and are design to cope with a bit extra pressure.
As stated I also put it down to the mosmatic playing a bit part in it, whirlaways are better on flags as you can walk quicker with no ringing... mosmatics seem to leave more rings on flags but they are superb on mossy block paving, the pictures speak for themselves

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chris scott

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2014, 07:24:33 pm »
Kevin
Consider me your personal Chaiwala.
I will always bow  down to experience and learn from  the educated.
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Simon@Pristine Pathways

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2014, 07:28:41 pm »
I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living ;D

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Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Aqua Power Solutions

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2014, 07:30:26 pm »
Chris, be careful what you say, when you are down there "bowing" you may get asked to do something eles !  ;D Ed
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Kenny83

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2014, 08:07:24 pm »
Haha Neil, I just got a call with the square meterage and address of the property, looked on google street view and priced it from there, I even priced it about £30 more as it was abit out my way (travel time etc). Initially he wanted just the front doing but when I got there to do the job he asked abut the back, I just said just an extra £40 while I'm already here, only took about 30mins, he never wanted me to resand it mate.

David, I run an interpump 2030 but only have 2 x 03 nozzles in the surface cleaner so doing around 20lpm, also I get a few extra bar out by tweaking the unloader (which I thought was a bit naughty at first) but the engine can more than cope with the extra pressure, even though the pump is only a 200 bar pump it still copes well with it, ive been running this setup for around 18 months now with out problem. I just came to the conclusion that the larger pumps are built like tanks (everything is oversized and built for the job) and are design to cope with a bit extra pressure.
As stated I also put it down to the mosmatic playing a bit part in it, whirlaways are better on flags as you can walk quicker with no ringing... mosmatics seem to leave more rings on flags but they are superb on mossy block paving, the pictures speak for themselves

 ;D
how do u tweak an uploader?

Just by dogging it down beyond your machines psi.... not possible woth smaller machines though as it will just stall the engine unless you wanted to run at less lpl but more psi... but that would be daft as it's the flow you need aswell
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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2014, 12:27:48 am »
I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living ;D

Kev Martin
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Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree ;D

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trevor perry

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2014, 05:10:54 pm »
I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living ;D

Kev Martin
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Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree ;D

Kev Martin
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 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.
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Kev Martin

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2014, 05:32:47 pm »
I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living ;D

Kev Martin
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Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree ;D

Kev Martin
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 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.

Trevor

The issue is ultimately a Mechanical Clean is always going to be better than a clean with an FSC but does the customer want it perfect or just looking cleaner and will they pay for the extra attention to detail?  (Probably not in the real World). 

It is the same when we are Marble Polishing!  Which is better?   A quick polish with some pads and some Marble Polish or a full Grind, Hone and Polish?  The answer is always the latter the two jobs don't even compare but 70% of customers go for the first option because they are happy enough with an East End Job at East End Money as opposed to the West End job for West End Money!  The sad facft is if the truth be known they all want the West End job but they just want to pay East End Prices ;D ;D ;D

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trevor perry

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2014, 08:26:43 pm »
I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living ;D

Kev Martin
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Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree ;D

Kev Martin
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 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.

Trevor

The issue is ultimately a Mechanical Clean is always going to be better than a clean with an FSC but does the customer want it perfect or just looking cleaner and will they pay for the extra attention to detail?  (Probably not in the real World).  

It is the same when we are Marble Polishing!  Which is better?   A quick polish with some pads and some Marble Polish or a full Grind, Hone and Polish?  The answer is always the latter the two jobs don't even compare but 70% of customers go for the first option because they are happy enough with an East End Job at East End Money as opposed to the West End job for West End Money!  The sad facft is if the truth be known they all want the West End job but they just want to pay East End Prices ;D ;D ;D

Kev Martin
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 Kevin first you state that cleaning with a scrubber then drying is just as fast and does a better job now you say the customer wouldnt pay extra for the mechanical cleaning route, if this way of cleaning is just as fast and does a better job than a FSC then why would it cost more to use this method.
  You also mention using this method and it being as quick as using your falch machine so again why wont you take  a video so we can assess this method for ourselves i am sure if it is as good as you claim many will buy your rocky machine but as said we would need to see it in action.
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chris scott

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2014, 09:15:03 pm »
Kevin...
Would your Klitex Machine be good for chewing gum?
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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2014, 11:45:30 am »
I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living ;D

Kev Martin
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Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree ;D

Kev Martin
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 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.

Trevor

The issue is ultimately a Mechanical Clean is always going to be better than a clean with an FSC but does the customer want it perfect or just looking cleaner and will they pay for the extra attention to detail?  (Probably not in the real World).  

It is the same when we are Marble Polishing!  Which is better?   A quick polish with some pads and some Marble Polish or a full Grind, Hone and Polish?  The answer is always the latter the two jobs don't even compare but 70% of customers go for the first option because they are happy enough with an East End Job at East End Money as opposed to the West End job for West End Money!  The sad facft is if the truth be known they all want the West End job but they just want to pay East End Prices ;D ;D ;D

Kev Martin
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 Kevin first you state that cleaning with a scrubber then drying is just as fast and does a better job now you say the customer wouldnt pay extra for the mechanical cleaning route, if this way of cleaning is just as fast and does a better job than a FSC then why would it cost more to use this method.
  You also mention using this method and it being as quick as using your falch machine so again why wont you take  a video so we can assess this method for ourselves i am sure if it is as good as you claim many will buy your rocky machine but as said we would need to see it in action.

Trevor

It is as quick and does a better job.  The extra money comes in because you are:

1.  Need two guys one to operate rotary and other to Vac
2.  You have consumable costs i.e. chemicals and brushes
3.  You need power to operate both the scrubber and the vac so it's customer or generator.

I have now sold my Falch T2 and my Falch T3 as we have pulled out of pressure washing altogether.  When we had the Falchs we did a comparison on a customers drive to see which produced the better result and which was quicker and that was the Mono Rotary and there was nothing in it time wise.  Pressure washing was only an add on for us in the first place.  

Finally Trevor  I am only sharing with you and other forum members the results of our test.  I am not saying you need a Klindex Rocky either (Any Rotary scrubber will do) and I am not trying to sell you one or persuade you get rid of your current gear.  My post was merely to point out that a mechanical rotary does a better job than an FSC.  I didn't say an FSC won't do the job and at the end of the day one guy can do the job with an FSC.

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trevor perry

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2014, 01:56:36 pm »
I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living ;D

Kev Martin
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Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree ;D

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.

Trevor

The issue is ultimately a Mechanical Clean is always going to be better than a clean with an FSC but does the customer want it perfect or just looking cleaner and will they pay for the extra attention to detail?  (Probably not in the real World).  

It is the same when we are Marble Polishing!  Which is better?   A quick polish with some pads and some Marble Polish or a full Grind, Hone and Polish?  The answer is always the latter the two jobs don't even compare but 70% of customers go for the first option because they are happy enough with an East End Job at East End Money as opposed to the West End job for West End Money!  The sad facft is if the truth be known they all want the West End job but they just want to pay East End Prices ;D ;D ;D

Kev Martin
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 Kevin first you state that cleaning with a scrubber then drying is just as fast and does a better job now you say the customer wouldnt pay extra for the mechanical cleaning route, if this way of cleaning is just as fast and does a better job than a FSC then why would it cost more to use this method.
  You also mention using this method and it being as quick as using your falch machine so again why wont you take  a video so we can assess this method for ourselves i am sure if it is as good as you claim many will buy your rocky machine but as said we would need to see it in action.

Trevor

It is as quick and does a better job.  The extra money comes in because you are:

1.  Need two guys one to operate rotary and other to Vac
2.  You have consumable costs i.e. chemicals and brushes
3.  You need power to operate both the scrubber and the vac so it's customer or generator.

I have now sold my Falch T2 and my Falch T3 as we have pulled out of pressure washing altogether.  When we had the Falchs we did a comparison on a customers drive to see which produced the better result and which was quicker and that was the Mono Rotary and there was nothing in it time wise.  Pressure washing was only an add on for us in the first place.  

Finally Trevor  I am only sharing with you and other forum members the results of our test.  I am not saying you need a Klindex Rocky either (Any Rotary scrubber will do) and I am not trying to sell you one or persuade you get rid of your current gear.  My post was merely to point out that a mechanical rotary does a better job than an FSC.  I didn't say an FSC won't do the job and at the end of the day one guy can do the job with an FSC.

Kev Martin
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 Kevin i am not trying to have a go at you but would love to see this method in action, we often work two men when pressure washing one man moving plant pots etc sorting out lay of pipes and also squegeing up debris and crap so two men are needed the same as your method, we also use diesel for the washer so costs on this would be same as your method, i will admit we seldom use chemicals but where you would wear out brushes there are parts on pressure washer that regularly need replacing ie pipes, jets connectors etc.
 i am not looking for an argument as i am genuinely interested in your claims but as said would love to see a video of this method in action next time you use it so i can assess its merits
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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2014, 02:12:33 pm »
Trevor

OK we have a lady whom we regularly polish an interior limestone floor for and she has asked that we clean a 160M2 of stone outside for her.  When we do it I will video it for you so you can see the results and it is bad.  Where are you actually based?

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trevor perry

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2014, 03:59:45 pm »
Thanks Kevin, i am based in Preston lancashire
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chris scott

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2014, 05:50:45 pm »
Kevin
Seriously would you "brush " system be any good for removing chewing gum?
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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2014, 06:59:56 pm »
Kevin
Seriously would you "brush " system be any good for removing chewing gum?

Chris

I wouldn't have thought so!   But is the question even relevant to the discussion?

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2014, 07:09:50 pm »
Kevin have you got any Falch parts knocking about? i.e triggers, fittings, machine fittings for T3?

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Re: Ideas please!
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2014, 07:21:01 pm »
Kevin have you got any Falch parts knocking about? i.e triggers, fittings, machine fittings for T3?

Im seeing a man about a falch tomorrow I will see if he has got anything I could sell to you!  ;)