[JetVac Cleaning]

I have been using flat surface cleaners and turbo nozzles for a few years now but have often wondered if there would be a way of making something like a whirl away but with a couple of mini turbo nozzles in. It obviously wouldn't need to spin but with a centre bar with height adjustment all incased ? It would be so nice to get the result of a turbo head without covering everything and yourself in sand. Anyone got any ideas as this is something I would like to try and achieve .
 

[Neil Jones]

I think Lee made one of these, I'm sure he did.

[drive surgeon]

He did. I wonder tho if turbo nozzles that close to floor wud take too much sand out.

[concept]

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=166396.0

[Matt Gibson]

If i remember rightly, while undertaking some research & development, he almost killed his brother when one of the turbo nozzles snapped off and flew out at considerable speed 

[JetVac Cleaning]

Why does it need to spin? The nozzle does the spinning so two turbo nozzles bolted to a centre bar at just the right height off the ground and apart with a casing around with wheels?

[Aqua Power Solutions]

David, I know this is a problem that all us trigger happy operatives suffer with  , so i have the solution and wear this !  
This is me giving a quote to a customer ! Ed

[JetVac Cleaning]

Would love to get one! Could you imagine the looks you would get from passers by?

[Kenny83]

I run at around 20 lpm with a mosmatic 21" (the bars on these spin slightly slower so therefore more contact time), I run at around 220 bar and never need to use a turbo apart from when there is deeply rooted grass mounds in the driveway. just take my time over the whole drive so it really eats into the gaps and then wack a 12's nozzle in the lance for rinsing off at around 30 lpm / 140 bar and the job is done, 100 m2 of really mossy block paving in around 1 1/2 to 2 hours, job done, another reason I seem to beat any other quote  

from this....


to this.... 9took me about 1 hour and 15 to clean and rins then a further half hour to sweep and shovel the path and chase dirty water t the nearest drain, I won't tell you what the other 2 guys quoted but I was 200 quid cheaper than one guy and 100 cheaper than the other! and lets just say I earned more than any of my mates earn in a day, (more than some of them in 2 days!)


 

[johnny bravo]

very impressive.

[trevor perry]

i would of done that job for £200 if not less

[chris scott]

I would of weed and moss killed , I would of then of Deep cleaned  useing specialist Equipment as not to undermine the substrate and cause the drive to dip in  6 months time (as we see all the time in he industrry...through shoddy cleaning). I would of Resanded it useing a high grade oven dried sand that penetrates deep into  all the gaps and crevices ,occupied by the dead weed roots (this stabilizes the drive long term). I would then apply a residual weed killer to help prevent the germination of weeds.
I would have been £50 cheaper than there most expensive quote.

[Neil Jones]

That be me Lee, haha!

However the customer booked me, then rung me after you had cleaned it and said he couldn't wait until this Thursday (which is when I had it booked in for because i've been to busy) so he cancelled. I don't mind customers cancelling but it pees me off when they leave it until the last minute (today) even though you did the work last week.

I'm guessing you were a £100 under me, did you just do the front? As the quote I gave him was for the back as well?

[Neil Jones]

Thats a point as well, did you resend it? I priced that in with the quote.

[JetVac Cleaning]

I run at around 20 lpm with a mosmatic 21" (the bars on these spin slightly slower so therefore more contact time), I run at around 220 bar and never need to use a turbo apart from when there is deeply rooted grass mounds in the driveway. just take my time over the whole drive so it really eats into the gaps and then wack a 12's nozzle in the lance for rinsing off at around 30 lpm / 140 bar and the job is done, 100 m2 of really mossy block paving in around 1 1/2 to 2 hours, job done, another reason I seem to beat any other quote  

from this....


to this.... 9took me about 1 hour and 15 to clean and rins then a further half hour to sweep and shovel the path and chase dirty water t the nearest drain, I won't tell you what the other 2 guys quoted but I was 200 quid cheaper than one guy and 100 cheaper than the other! and lets just say I earned more than any of my mates earn in a day, (more than some of them in 2 days!)


 

do u mind me asking what setup your running to produce these results with a fsc

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

I would of weed and moss killed , I would of then of Deep cleaned  useing specialist Equipment as not to undermine the substrate and cause the drive to dip in  6 months time (as we see all the time in he industrry...through shoddy cleaning). I would of Resanded it useing a high grade oven dried sand that penetrates deep into  all the gaps and crevices ,occupied by the dead weed roots (this stabilizes the drive long term). I would then apply a residual weed killer to help prevent the germination of weeds.
I would have been £50 cheaper than there most expensive quote.

You over complicate the easyist of jobs! Chris we are in your territory next week cleaning a block paving drive if you want to come over for a leason!

I would charge 400 and resand.

[chris scott]

I would of weed and moss killed , I would of then of Deep cleaned  useing specialist Equipment as not to undermine the substrate and cause the drive to dip in  6 months time (as we see all the time in he industrry...through shoddy cleaning). I would of Resanded it useing a high grade oven dried sand that penetrates deep into  all the gaps and crevices ,occupied by the dead weed roots (this stabilizes the drive long term). I would then apply a residual weed killer to help prevent the germination of weeds.
I would have been £50 cheaper than there most expensive quote.

You over complicate the easyist of jobs! Chris we are in your territory next week cleaning a block paving drive if you want to come over for a leason!

I would charge 400 and resand.

I am in your  territory next year onwards...I have just bought www.wirraldrivewaycleaning .com

[JetVac Cleaning]

I run at around 20 lpm with a mosmatic 21" (the bars on these spin slightly slower so therefore more contact time), I run at around 220 bar and never need to use a turbo apart from when there is deeply rooted grass mounds in the driveway. just take my time over the whole drive so it really eats into the gaps and then wack a 12's nozzle in the lance for rinsing off at around 30 lpm / 140 bar and the job is done, 100 m2 of really mossy block paving in around 1 1/2 to 2 hours, job done, another reason I seem to beat any other quote  

from this....


to this.... 9took me about 1 hour and 15 to clean and rins then a further half hour to sweep and shovel the path and chase dirty water t the nearest drain, I won't tell you what the other 2 guys quoted but I was 200 quid cheaper than one guy and 100 cheaper than the other! and lets just say I earned more than any of my mates earn in a day, (more than some of them in 2 days!)


 

what system are you running to produce these results if u don't mind me asking

[Kenny83]

Haha Neil, I just got a call with the square meterage and address of the property, looked on google street view and priced it from there, I even priced it about £30 more as it was abit out my way (travel time etc). Initially he wanted just the front doing but when I got there to do the job he asked abut the back, I just said just an extra £40 while I'm already here, only took about 30mins, he never wanted me to resand it mate.

David, I run an interpump 2030 but only have 2 x 03 nozzles in the surface cleaner so doing around 20lpm, also I get a few extra bar out by tweaking the unloader (which I thought was a bit naughty at first) but the engine can more than cope with the extra pressure, even though the pump is only a 200 bar pump it still copes well with it, ive been running this setup for around 18 months now with out problem. I just came to the conclusion that the larger pumps are built like tanks (everything is oversized and built for the job) and are design to cope with a bit extra pressure.
As stated I also put it down to the mosmatic playing a bit part in it, whirlaways are better on flags as you can walk quicker with no ringing... mosmatics seem to leave more rings on flags but they are superb on mossy block paving, the pictures speak for themselves

 

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

I would of weed and moss killed , I would of then of Deep cleaned  useing specialist Equipment as not to undermine the substrate and cause the drive to dip in  6 months time (as we see all the time in he industrry...through shoddy cleaning). I would of Resanded it useing a high grade oven dried sand that penetrates deep into  all the gaps and crevices ,occupied by the dead weed roots (this stabilizes the drive long term). I would then apply a residual weed killer to help prevent the germination of weeds.
I would have been £50 cheaper than there most expensive quote.

You over complicate the easyist of jobs! Chris we are in your territory next week cleaning a block paving drive if you want to come over for a leason!

I would charge 400 and resand.

I am in your  territory next year onwards...I have just bought www.wirraldrivewaycleaning .com

Whats wrong with this year? When customers tell me they are getting 3 quotes I like point them in the direction of other companies offering a quality service. It keeps the industry standard high and my prices dont look out of place.
I will welcome you with open arms you will help grow my business.  

Pop over to Blundell sands next week bring a flask and well have afternoon tea.

[chris scott]

Do you think you will be able to teach me everything I need to know in one day....I am a slow learner.
Will you give me a days work if I come to Blundellsands...I have my own machine and wellies

 It will take the Indians a year to get the site ranking...so it will be next year.

[Kev Martin]

I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

[JetVac Cleaning]

Haha Neil, I just got a call with the square meterage and address of the property, looked on google street view and priced it from there, I even priced it about £30 more as it was abit out my way (travel time etc). Initially he wanted just the front doing but when I got there to do the job he asked abut the back, I just said just an extra £40 while I'm already here, only took about 30mins, he never wanted me to resand it mate.

David, I run an interpump 2030 but only have 2 x 03 nozzles in the surface cleaner so doing around 20lpm, also I get a few extra bar out by tweaking the unloader (which I thought was a bit naughty at first) but the engine can more than cope with the extra pressure, even though the pump is only a 200 bar pump it still copes well with it, ive been running this setup for around 18 months now with out problem. I just came to the conclusion that the larger pumps are built like tanks (everything is oversized and built for the job) and are design to cope with a bit extra pressure.
As stated I also put it down to the mosmatic playing a bit part in it, whirlaways are better on flags as you can walk quicker with no ringing... mosmatics seem to leave more rings on flags but they are superb on mossy block paving, the pictures speak for themselves

 

how do u tweak an uploader?

[chris scott]

Kevin
Consider me your personal Chaiwala.
I will always bow  down to experience and learn from  the educated.

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

[Aqua Power Solutions]

Chris, be careful what you say, when you are down there "bowing" you may get asked to do something eles !   Ed

[Kenny83]

Haha Neil, I just got a call with the square meterage and address of the property, looked on google street view and priced it from there, I even priced it about £30 more as it was abit out my way (travel time etc). Initially he wanted just the front doing but when I got there to do the job he asked abut the back, I just said just an extra £40 while I'm already here, only took about 30mins, he never wanted me to resand it mate.

David, I run an interpump 2030 but only have 2 x 03 nozzles in the surface cleaner so doing around 20lpm, also I get a few extra bar out by tweaking the unloader (which I thought was a bit naughty at first) but the engine can more than cope with the extra pressure, even though the pump is only a 200 bar pump it still copes well with it, ive been running this setup for around 18 months now with out problem. I just came to the conclusion that the larger pumps are built like tanks (everything is oversized and built for the job) and are design to cope with a bit extra pressure.
As stated I also put it down to the mosmatic playing a bit part in it, whirlaways are better on flags as you can walk quicker with no ringing... mosmatics seem to leave more rings on flags but they are superb on mossy block paving, the pictures speak for themselves

 

how do u tweak an uploader?

Just by dogging it down beyond your machines psi.... not possible woth smaller machines though as it will just stall the engine unless you wanted to run at less lpl but more psi... but that would be daft as it's the flow you need aswell

[Kev Martin]

I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[trevor perry]

I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.

[Kev Martin]

I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.

Trevor

The issue is ultimately a Mechanical Clean is always going to be better than a clean with an FSC but does the customer want it perfect or just looking cleaner and will they pay for the extra attention to detail?  (Probably not in the real World). 

It is the same when we are Marble Polishing!  Which is better?   A quick polish with some pads and some Marble Polish or a full Grind, Hone and Polish?  The answer is always the latter the two jobs don't even compare but 70% of customers go for the first option because they are happy enough with an East End Job at East End Money as opposed to the West End job for West End Money!  The sad facft is if the truth be known they all want the West End job but they just want to pay East End Prices

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[trevor perry]

I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.

Trevor

The issue is ultimately a Mechanical Clean is always going to be better than a clean with an FSC but does the customer want it perfect or just looking cleaner and will they pay for the extra attention to detail?  (Probably not in the real World).  

It is the same when we are Marble Polishing!  Which is better?   A quick polish with some pads and some Marble Polish or a full Grind, Hone and Polish?  The answer is always the latter the two jobs don't even compare but 70% of customers go for the first option because they are happy enough with an East End Job at East End Money as opposed to the West End job for West End Money!  The sad facft is if the truth be known they all want the West End job but they just want to pay East End Prices

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 Kevin first you state that cleaning with a scrubber then drying is just as fast and does a better job now you say the customer wouldnt pay extra for the mechanical cleaning route, if this way of cleaning is just as fast and does a better job than a FSC then why would it cost more to use this method.
  You also mention using this method and it being as quick as using your falch machine so again why wont you take  a video so we can assess this method for ourselves i am sure if it is as good as you claim many will buy your rocky machine but as said we would need to see it in action.

[chris scott]

Kevin...
Would your Klitex Machine be good for chewing gum?

[Kev Martin]

I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.

Trevor

The issue is ultimately a Mechanical Clean is always going to be better than a clean with an FSC but does the customer want it perfect or just looking cleaner and will they pay for the extra attention to detail?  (Probably not in the real World).  

It is the same when we are Marble Polishing!  Which is better?   A quick polish with some pads and some Marble Polish or a full Grind, Hone and Polish?  The answer is always the latter the two jobs don't even compare but 70% of customers go for the first option because they are happy enough with an East End Job at East End Money as opposed to the West End job for West End Money!  The sad facft is if the truth be known they all want the West End job but they just want to pay East End Prices

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 Kevin first you state that cleaning with a scrubber then drying is just as fast and does a better job now you say the customer wouldnt pay extra for the mechanical cleaning route, if this way of cleaning is just as fast and does a better job than a FSC then why would it cost more to use this method.
  You also mention using this method and it being as quick as using your falch machine so again why wont you take  a video so we can assess this method for ourselves i am sure if it is as good as you claim many will buy your rocky machine but as said we would need to see it in action.

Trevor

It is as quick and does a better job.  The extra money comes in because you are:

1.  Need two guys one to operate rotary and other to Vac
2.  You have consumable costs i.e. chemicals and brushes
3.  You need power to operate both the scrubber and the vac so it's customer or generator.

I have now sold my Falch T2 and my Falch T3 as we have pulled out of pressure washing altogether.  When we had the Falchs we did a comparison on a customers drive to see which produced the better result and which was quicker and that was the Mono Rotary and there was nothing in it time wise.  Pressure washing was only an add on for us in the first place.  

Finally Trevor  I am only sharing with you and other forum members the results of our test.  I am not saying you need a Klindex Rocky either (Any Rotary scrubber will do) and I am not trying to sell you one or persuade you get rid of your current gear.  My post was merely to point out that a mechanical rotary does a better job than an FSC.  I didn't say an FSC won't do the job and at the end of the day one guy can do the job with an FSC.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[trevor perry]

I'm going to pop up there with a couple of Klindex Rocky's and some wet vacs and take the work off the lot of you.

By the time i've finished Chris Scott will be my tea boy and his man in the shed will be cleaning my van for a living

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

Kevin how long does it take to clean 500m with your scrubber and hoover?

Quicker than what you think!  It depends really if you have a Vacuum take off on your FSC ultimately though slower but a better job IMO as mechanical cleaning is better than PW but lots disagree.  I could always beat my Falch T3 fitted with a 21" Mosmatic, use less water and less clean up but lots disagree

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 i would have to see this to believe it Kevin, maybe you could take a video next time you clean some dirty blockpaving then we can see it in action. If your method works as you say then i can think of many areas that have busy pedestrian areas that it could be beneficial but as zaid i would have to see it to believe it.

Trevor

The issue is ultimately a Mechanical Clean is always going to be better than a clean with an FSC but does the customer want it perfect or just looking cleaner and will they pay for the extra attention to detail?  (Probably not in the real World).  

It is the same when we are Marble Polishing!  Which is better?   A quick polish with some pads and some Marble Polish or a full Grind, Hone and Polish?  The answer is always the latter the two jobs don't even compare but 70% of customers go for the first option because they are happy enough with an East End Job at East End Money as opposed to the West End job for West End Money!  The sad facft is if the truth be known they all want the West End job but they just want to pay East End Prices

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 Kevin first you state that cleaning with a scrubber then drying is just as fast and does a better job now you say the customer wouldnt pay extra for the mechanical cleaning route, if this way of cleaning is just as fast and does a better job than a FSC then why would it cost more to use this method.
  You also mention using this method and it being as quick as using your falch machine so again why wont you take  a video so we can assess this method for ourselves i am sure if it is as good as you claim many will buy your rocky machine but as said we would need to see it in action.

Trevor

It is as quick and does a better job.  The extra money comes in because you are:

1.  Need two guys one to operate rotary and other to Vac
2.  You have consumable costs i.e. chemicals and brushes
3.  You need power to operate both the scrubber and the vac so it's customer or generator.

I have now sold my Falch T2 and my Falch T3 as we have pulled out of pressure washing altogether.  When we had the Falchs we did a comparison on a customers drive to see which produced the better result and which was quicker and that was the Mono Rotary and there was nothing in it time wise.  Pressure washing was only an add on for us in the first place.  

Finally Trevor  I am only sharing with you and other forum members the results of our test.  I am not saying you need a Klindex Rocky either (Any Rotary scrubber will do) and I am not trying to sell you one or persuade you get rid of your current gear.  My post was merely to point out that a mechanical rotary does a better job than an FSC.  I didn't say an FSC won't do the job and at the end of the day one guy can do the job with an FSC.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

 Kevin i am not trying to have a go at you but would love to see this method in action, we often work two men when pressure washing one man moving plant pots etc sorting out lay of pipes and also squegeing up debris and crap so two men are needed the same as your method, we also use diesel for the washer so costs on this would be same as your method, i will admit we seldom use chemicals but where you would wear out brushes there are parts on pressure washer that regularly need replacing ie pipes, jets connectors etc.
 i am not looking for an argument as i am genuinely interested in your claims but as said would love to see a video of this method in action next time you use it so i can assess its merits

[Kev Martin]

Trevor

OK we have a lady whom we regularly polish an interior limestone floor for and she has asked that we clean a 160M2 of stone outside for her.  When we do it I will video it for you so you can see the results and it is bad.  Where are you actually based?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[trevor perry]

Thanks Kevin, i am based in Preston lancashire

[chris scott]

Kevin
Seriously would you "brush " system be any good for removing chewing gum?

[Kev Martin]

Kevin
Seriously would you "brush " system be any good for removing chewing gum?

Chris

I wouldn't have thought so!   But is the question even relevant to the discussion?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

[Blast Away]

Kevin have you got any Falch parts knocking about? i.e triggers, fittings, machine fittings for T3?

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Kevin have you got any Falch parts knocking about? i.e triggers, fittings, machine fittings for T3?

Im seeing a man about a falch tomorrow I will see if he has got anything I could sell to you! 

[Kev Martin]

Kevin have you got any Falch parts knocking about? i.e triggers, fittings, machine fittings for T3?

Lee

Got a few bits some pumps and bits with a couple of 500 bar hoses

Kev Martin
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