Steve H

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Gutter vac - worth it? New
« on: September 22, 2015, 05:35:53 pm »
Hi chaps,
Unless you can point me in the direction of a link to a conversation on this subject (which I'm sure there have been plenty) could you give me some feedback as to whether or not (generally) its worth looking at buying a gutter vac.
I have a couple of large jobs to do and to be honest I would rather not be up ;ladders all day doing them, however np point in investing in a system if its not going to make a big difference (ie quicker, make more money at it etc,)
Ive been looking at the gutter sucker at around £1,000 (3000 watt) would this do a decent job on most gutters?
many thanks in advance.
Steve
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samson

Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2015, 05:43:44 pm »
Can only comment on my own experience, but the skyvac is a brilliant machine that will the gutters from the wall !!
www.spinaclean.com/gutter-cleaning-machines.asp

There are cheaper machines around, but you find they don't suck as well, so you will be straining your back and shoulders more, and there is the saying - buy cheap pay twice  ;D

samson

Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2015, 05:45:04 pm »
Try and splash out extra for carbon poles, unless you have shoulders like the hulk -
www.carbonfibretubes.co.uk

Paul Wisdom

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2015, 07:01:50 pm »
Just bought a gutter vac 3600 vac with 25ft of poles and a few heads. NOW WHAT haha Sitting in the garage.

How do you guys go about getting work for it.

Impulse buy for sure  ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll

JandS

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2015, 07:02:12 pm »
Got mine from here..........http://www.guttercleaningsystems.co.uk/...£990 including camera, tools and 7 carbon fibre poles.
Does a good job, less than 5 minutes sometimes to do a side if it's just dried up dirt and the gutters are nice and wide.

It's 3kw same as the Skyvac.

Did my first one Saturday where I couldn't use it for half the house the gap was so small, in fact did 2 because the neighbour next door wanted his doing and his were the same for half the house. did it with bare hands.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2015, 07:03:39 pm »
Just bought a gutter vac 3600 vac with 25ft of poles and a few heads. NOW WHAT haha Sitting in the garage.

How do you guys go about getting work for it.

Impulse buy for sure  ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll

Advertise?
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Paul Wisdom

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2015, 07:12:55 pm »
Just bought a gutter vac 3600 vac with 25ft of poles and a few heads. NOW WHAT haha Sitting in the garage.

How do you guys go about getting work for it.

Impulse buy for sure  ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll

Advertise?

Where???? I do have a few leaflets about to go out - looking at getting stuck in when all these bleedin leaves start to drop

Jamie McNamee

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2015, 08:04:24 pm »
Got mine from here..........http://www.guttercleaningsystems.co.uk/...£990 including camera, tools and 7 carbon fibre poles.
Does a good job, less than 5 minutes sometimes to do a side if it's just dried up dirt and the gutters are nice and wide.

It's 3kw same as the Skyvac.

Did my first one Saturday where I couldn't use it for half the house the gap was so small, in fact did 2 because the neighbour next door wanted his doing and his were the same for half the house. did it with bare hands.

I was thinking of ordering this myself. What is the quality of the camera / viewer like?

Steve H

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2015, 09:47:17 pm »
Thanks for the replies fellas, I'm assuming these machines have to be plugged into the customers electricity supply.
What if the customers aren't in? what if the gutters are on a commercial site ie blocks of flats, do some people have a small generator or similar to cover these situations?
One of the jobs I have may mean I wont have access to electricity (without going round plugging in to each flat as I go!!!
Thanks
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samson

Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2015, 05:27:57 am »
Thanks for the replies fellas, I'm assuming these machines have to be plugged into the customers electricity supply.
What if the customers aren't in? what if the gutters are on a commercial site ie blocks of flats, do some people have a small generator or similar to cover these situations?
One of the jobs I have may mean I wont have access to electricity (without going round plugging in to each flat as I go!!!
Thanks
You need a good sizes genny if you are doing a lot of gutter cleaning.    Make sure the wattage is sufficient for the vac you are using.   We use a 6.5 Loncin, and its a big lump  ;D

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 05:19:22 pm »
Just bought a gutter vac 3600 vac with 25ft of poles and a few heads. NOW WHAT haha Sitting in the garage.

How do you guys go about getting work for it.

Impulse buy for sure  ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll

Whilst you are out and about you have only to walk down any street and you will see gutters with stuff growing in them so best give them a knock and/or drop a flyer through their door.  If you have regular window cleaning customers you can also offer gutter clearing to them too.


Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2015, 05:25:35 pm »
Thanks for the replies fellas, I'm assuming these machines have to be plugged into the customers electricity supply.
What if the customers aren't in? what if the gutters are on a commercial site ie blocks of flats, do some people have a small generator or similar to cover these situations?
One of the jobs I have may mean I wont have access to electricity (without going round plugging in to each flat as I go!!!
Thanks

You don't really need to buy a genny to start with as you can hire them cheap enough if/when larger jobs come up and just cost it in on the quote

Steve H

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2015, 01:06:06 pm »
Hi fellas
What size generator to run a typical powered  gutter vac? ive just been on HSS wbsite, they tell me I might need a genny to run at either 4or 6k ?  has anyone else used one or hired one.  As may mentioned, this may be a better option than buying one as I wont need it too often, other than for certain commercial jobs.
Thanks fellas
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Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2015, 04:29:12 pm »
I've hired 6.5 kva genny's in the past but are massive so used from the van to save lugging them about.

Smudger

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2015, 11:28:47 pm »
We use a 6 kva - personally wouldn't do gutter vaccing without one.

Ok hire by all means, but then you've got to collect and return it, it's all added time and mileage to your job

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Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2015, 01:58:25 pm »
Do you use a genny for all domestic jobs too smudger?

To be honest I've never found the need myself to buy one as running a genny also adds cost to the job not only wear & tear / maintenance costs but also adds fuel costs that needs to be included in the cost. Also carting another lump about adds extra weight to the van too.

The only advantage I see owning/running a genny is if you do a lot of what I call multi occupied properties like blocks of flats etc or commercial/industrial stuff so you are not reliant on using customers power.

After saying that I've never lost a job because a domestic customer did not want to plug the vac into their plug socket be it outdoors, in a garge or in the house.

Payment on completion and all that  as it's best for someone to be home that can see you are doing the job properly. No chasing for payment or waiting to be paid by bacs, paypal etc either...Job done  ;D

Steve H

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2015, 06:01:36 pm »
Just to get going on this again......
I have bought a sky vac gutter sucker 3600 (3 motors).
If anyone has one of these or has used a similar one can they answer any of the questions below, as the instructions I got with it are pretty limited to say the least.
1) will it run off a 4 kva generator? (hiring one on Monday - this was the bets one they had at short notice 6kva looks a bit of a lump to say the least.
2) I haven't got it out of the box yet, can you run the motors individually if required (less suction, but less power needed) especially on lower guttering ie bungalows etc.
3) It has a bag inside (to catch the dust on a dry day) I'm assuming this doesn't need to be in there for wet stuff, like it will be on Monday after all this rain.
If anyone know where i can get more info, from please jet me know.
Finally, I'm assuming it is a decent machine that will do most jobs, seems powerful enough for what I will mostly use it for, which is domestic work (possibly up to 3 storey height sometimes) I have 6 poles so should reach!!!
Many thanks in advance guys
Steve
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Nameless Drudge

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2015, 06:47:09 pm »
Apparently this is good kit,I went 6.5kva gen,Kevin martins vac and gardiner poles from his partner company though they did sell me a U bend for £45.00 quid that was completely useless and plus vat. £680 in 3 hours calmed me down but it's same old,same old,shed full of stuff that never gets used. The guys braving it on ladders with a bucket and trowel earn more!,won't get you commercial though yet that's all through the bank,Give the tax man nowt they only waste it,

Think  you need 6.5Kva,smaller may keep tripping,nearly sure of that!

Smudger

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2015, 06:59:53 pm »
Don't think 4 kva will be good enough

Yes never go to a job without the genny , horses for courses, it's easier to plug in and start up a genny than faff about waiting for a customer to open the door find a socket plug into a dodge extension then blow a fuse  ;D

Besides the genny keeps your hands warm during January !!!

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Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2015, 11:17:57 am »
Just to get going on this again......
I have bought a sky vac gutter sucker 3600 (3 motors).
If anyone has one of these or has used a similar one can they answer any of the questions below, as the instructions I got with it are pretty limited to say the least.
1) will it run off a 4 kva generator? (hiring one on Monday - this was the bets one they had at short notice 6kva looks a bit of a lump to say the least.
2) I haven't got it out of the box yet, can you run the motors individually if required (less suction, but less power needed) especially on lower guttering ie bungalows etc.
3) It has a bag inside (to catch the dust on a dry day) I'm assuming this doesn't need to be in there for wet stuff, like it will be on Monday after all this rain.
If anyone know where i can get more info, from please jet me know.
Finally, I'm assuming it is a decent machine that will do most jobs, seems powerful enough for what I will mostly use it for, which is domestic work (possibly up to 3 storey height sometimes) I have 6 poles so should reach!!!
Many thanks in advance guys
Steve

1. If running say in your case a 3600 watt wet vac from a portable generator before you buy or hire one then you need to check the constant power rating which will find on the plate/spec sheet or get advice on the size you need so it's not going to play up on you with the 3 motors running. It's always better to get a larger kva generator than you need so can handle the watts power draw so you don't put it under too much load. In your case ideally you want a min spec of a 5kva portable generator to run your guttervac.

2. You will find it’s quicker to suck up gutter crud using all 3 motors no matter what height the roofline is.

3. Best keep the drum filter in or the crap can be sucked through the motors a knackers them (I've knackered a few prematurely leaving the drum filter out). The only time you should take the drum filter out is to empty the drum, clean the drum filter or when you want to suck up large volumes of water so the float valve cuts in to prevent water being sucked up through the motors. 

4. So say guttervacs do have limitations to what they can actually do so always best to do a gutter camera survey first to see what you are up against. Then you can decide what best methods to use as sometimes easier/quicker using ladders than struggling with a guttervac. 

The example job in the pics below I used both methods including using a pro gutter tool on a stripped down wfp to clear the blocked roof valley.  Whilst I had the ladders set up there above the roofline after clearing the roof valley and corner out by hand I also used what I call a combo method which is using both the ladder and lightweight smaller gutter vac hose with a crevice tool attached. Those type aluminium internal bracket gutters were also fitted with downspout gutter balloons (downspout filters) so needed clearing too.

If that had been a 3 storey job then I would have considered using a picker as would be a safer option instead of using ladders.

As with anything you will need to gain experience using a guttervac as you will find no jobs are the same

Hope this helps?

timglaze

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2015, 01:51:25 pm »
This may or may not have been covered in another thread but would anyone recommend the following vac or can anyone comment on whether it's good or not please

http://www.guttercleaningsystems.co.uk/3000carbonfibrekits.html

Is it a cheap option???

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2015, 02:05:15 pm »
The other option is you can also knock up a good spec gutter vac by sourcing and buying the parts you need yourself if you are that way inclined as is relatively easy to do. Works out about half the cost of say buying a skyvac industrial set up  and more than likely just as good too.


Steve H

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2015, 06:37:16 pm »
Thanks guys for all the answers,
Smurf, big thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
Many thanks
Steve
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timglaze

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2015, 09:29:42 pm »
Smurf can you recommend a good/reliable/powerful vac on its own and then I suppose can work from there as regards the peripherals.

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2015, 11:43:25 pm »
Smurf can you recommend a good/reliable/powerful vac on its own and then I suppose can work from there as regards the peripherals.

This is an ideal chepo 3000 watt vac to start with as I have one so know it works ok and at £199.99 including free delivery you can't go wrong at that price.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WET-AND-DRY-VACUUM-VAC-CLEANER-INDUSTRIAL-80LTR-3000W-STAINLESS-STEEL-/331693725120?hash=item4d3a7c95c0:g:1xQAAOSw~bFWMPHk

For poles I would recommend carbonfibretubes.co.uk as you can get 6 x CFMOD50 2m poles sections for just under £450 inc vat and delivery.

The rest of the bits you can also find on the likes of fleebay cheap.

So by the time you have finished putting one together yourself will come to about £750 that will do the same job up to 40' which would be comparable to the likes of say a Commercial SkyVac 75 - 8 Pole (40') packages that would cost a whopping £1,764.00




Kev Martin

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2015, 08:29:50 am »
Do not buy a stainless steel Vac body as you will regret it.  Buy a polypropylene one.  Make sure the trolley has a large set of wheels on the back and a decent set of casters.  You are also better with 50mm inlet to use it as a gutter vac
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Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2015, 09:31:15 am »
Do not buy a stainless steel Vac body as you will regret it.  Buy a polypropylene one.  Make sure the trolley has a large set of wheels on the back and a decent set of casters.  You are also better with 50mm inlet to use it as a gutter vac

Why not as I've used large stainless steel drum vac's for yonks and never found them an issue  ???
You can change the inlet to a 100mm if you wanted and even use a sack truck for really rough terrain too.
Yes you can pay 500-1000 or more for a better vac with better wheels etc but thats just a waste of money if you want my honest opinion.




Smudger

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2015, 07:51:39 pm »
I agree with smurf here, had a stainless steel body vac over six years - it's as good as the day I got it  ;D

Good find smurf, I'd change the inlet personally.

Would I reccomend gutter vac systems..... No comment

Darran
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Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2015, 08:32:16 pm »
I agree with smurf here, had a stainless steel body vac over six years - it's as good as the day I got it  ;D

Good find smurf, I'd change the inlet personally.

Would I reccomend gutter vac systems..... No comment

Darran

I've also got spare steel drums in the lockup if you want to buy some smudger  ;D

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Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2015, 08:44:08 pm »
That 199.99 chepo vac clears 3 storey gutters no probs too smudger  :)
Still don't ask me why that chicken wire was in the downspout opening but it was there already so I left it there as you do  ;D

Re: gutter vac - worth it? Hell yeah on jobs like that as is a no brainer.



timglaze

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2015, 09:15:13 pm »
How would i go about changing the inlet?

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2015, 09:47:21 pm »
Buy a larger say 50mm inlet then cut the hole in the drum to fit it.

It will work with that 38mm inlet as it stands though but the only difference is you may have to unblock the it more frequently than using a larger inlet which is no big deal really.

The one I brought I just wanted the motor head and trolley base as already had and old omni guttervac stainless steel drum with a 100mm inlet so all I did was just swapped it over.

DaveyboyC

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2015, 11:28:57 pm »
They're good on certain jobs but don't expect them to do every single job you take on, if the gutters are full of wet growing weeds and also have internal brackets you'll struggle to do it properly from the ground. They block up  all too easy on the angle and if you buy the alloy poles which I did it can be heavy work.

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2015, 10:48:50 am »
Agree as every job is different to be sure.

They still come in very handy for most jobs or parts of jobs  though when you don't want or can't use ladders safely due to access issues.

Here is a quick example of  an easy but awkard blocked downspout cleared with a guttervac & water tested afterwards without the need to struggle with ladders.


DaveyboyC

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2015, 01:38:11 pm »
Agree with all of that, not so sure you could do a 3 storey building with a blocked outlet from the ground though, just takes a twig or bit of pointing and up the ladders we go.

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2015, 02:13:04 pm »
Agree with all of that, not so sure you could do a 3 storey building with a blocked outlet from the ground though, just takes a twig or bit of pointing and up the ladders we go.

Indeed as you can struggle for sure if you can't suck out (remove) what is causing the blockage. Sods in general and especially in corners and narrow gaps can be very difficult to remove too even on 2 storey jobs let alone on 3.


Phil @ Extreme Clean

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2015, 04:10:06 pm »
So are the poles decent from the link posted and do you make own fittings or can you buy them aswell ?
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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2015, 05:25:18 pm »
I agree with smurf here, had a stainless steel body vac over six years - it's as good as the day I got it  ;D

Good find smurf, I'd change the inlet personally.

Would I reccomend gutter vac systems..... No comment

Darran



Do not buy a stainless steel Vac body as you will regret it.  Buy a polypropylene one.  Make sure the trolley has a large set of wheels on the back and a decent set of casters.  You are also better with 50mm inlet to use it as a gutter vac

Why not as I've used large stainless steel drum vac's for yonks and never found them an issue  ???
You can change the inlet to a 100mm if you wanted and even use a sack truck for really rough terrain too.
Yes you can pay 500-1000 or more for a better vac with better wheels etc but thats just a waste of money if you want my honest opinion.





Darran

I find the metal bodies get dinted all the time perhaps you are just lucky but we had a couple 6-7 years ago and it looked like we had been stock car racing with them after a few jobs in the van just my opinion really got polyprop ones over 9 years old still look the same as the day we bought them
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Smudger

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2015, 07:14:56 pm »
Well like smurf says - I don't do anything!

I've not treated it with kid gloves, it's even fallen 6 ft into a swimming pool (empty) but it's always in the wheeled trolley.

I'll be in the market for a decent wet/dry vac to kit out another van as we just can't keep up with demand so getting ready for the Feb onslaught and having 2 separate teams running, I'd be interested what you reccomend Kev. I'll source poles,hose etc.. Only stipulation minimum 50 mm inlet, but would love it if I could get larger like the omnivac

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Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2015, 08:07:27 pm »
Well like smurf says - I don't do anything!

I've not treated it with kid gloves, it's even fallen 6 ft into a swimming pool (empty) but it's always in the wheeled trolley.

I'll be in the market for a decent wet/dry vac to kit out another van as we just can't keep up with demand so getting ready for the Feb onslaught and having 2 separate teams running, I'd be interested what you reccomend Kev. I'll source poles,hose etc.. Only stipulation minimum 50 mm inlet, but would love it if I could get larger like the omnivac

Darran
No what I said Smudger you must not do much gutter clearing using a guttervac if yours has lasted you 6 years as on avereage they last me about 12 months even the omni 4200 watt ones. Either that you have been very lucky having to only change 2 motors and no motor brushes in 6 years.

Mind you I suppose the difference is gutter clearing is my core service and the vacs get a good hammering every week. Not only that they get used on pressure washing jobs too when needed.

Sorry I did not mean to upset  you Smudger but was just going by my own experience that’s all.

Smurf

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« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2015, 08:55:54 pm »
I dropped an omni 4200 vac out of the back of my van once and the plastic trolley base smashed to pieces. Oops!   ;D

To be honest I find all the types of 3 motor wet vacs with plastic bases can be hard work to move about other than a hard flat surface especially with crud and/or water in them.

Rob@Blast off

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2015, 09:37:59 pm »
Mines a pain move around when its empty  :'(

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2015, 09:48:45 pm »
Mines a pain move around when its empty  :'(

I'm quite temped to put one on a sack truck permanently instead of using the sack truck when needed.  However I do like the look of the metal frame ones so might try one of those next.

Rob@Blast off

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2015, 10:02:47 pm »
I'm going to put some better wheels and a drain port on mine when i get chance.   

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2015, 10:26:30 pm »
I'm going to put some better wheels and a drain port on mine when i get chance.

What sort of drain port did you have in mind Rob?

Rob@Blast off

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2015, 11:19:09 pm »
Just going to have a look at swapping the one off my old vac on to my current one, its a small port with a screw cap on to let the water out.

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2015, 11:40:43 pm »
Just going to have a look at swapping the one off my old vac on to my current one, its a small port with a screw cap on to let the water out.

Oh I see thanks Rob...I sometimes forget to screw the cap back on then wonder why the suction is reduced...Doh!  ;D

Kev Martin

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2015, 09:05:47 am »
Well like smurf says - I don't do anything!

I've not treated it with kid gloves, it's even fallen 6 ft into a swimming pool (empty) but it's always in the wheeled trolley.

I'll be in the market for a decent wet/dry vac to kit out another van as we just can't keep up with demand so getting ready for the Feb onslaught and having 2 separate teams running, I'd be interested what you reccomend Kev. I'll source poles,hose etc.. Only stipulation minimum 50 mm inlet, but would love it if I could get larger like the omnivac

Darran

I have been supplying vacs now for the thick end of about 8 years.  We have tried the gecko vacs, we sell Soteco but at the end of the day I keep going back to the German 3000 watt triple motor vacs.  They are manufactured in the main in China and then sent to Germany for assembly and ce marking.  They are identical to Soteco but half the price.  Don't  get me wrong we sell loads of Soteco as well.  From Germany they are available with modifications one being a 50mm inlet.  I can ask their engineering department if they can do a bigger inlet but I would imagine there is a reduction in power the bigger the inlet?
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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2015, 12:13:54 pm »
That's interesting you say that Kevin as I tend to go for the chepo china 3 motor wet vacs myself now as from experience I find they tend to last just as long as the more expensive branded ones under heavy usage. That way I don't have to mess about stripping the heads down and having to buy and change motors or motor brushes when they die as I just bin them instead now.   

They way I look at it if say you add on a tenner for every smallish guttervac job you do then it more than pays for the cost of replacing a chepo £200 3 motor wet vac every year. People folking out upto a £1000 just for a wet vac is a total waste of money if you ask me.


Kev Martin

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« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2015, 01:18:35 pm »
That's interesting you say that Kevin as I tend to go for the chepo china 3 motor wet vacs myself now as from experience I find they tend to last just as long as the more expensive branded ones under heavy usage. That way I don't have to mess about stripping the heads down and having to buy and change motors or motor brushes when they die as I just bin them instead now.   

They way I look at it if say you add on a tenner for every smallish guttervac job you do then it more than pays for the cost of replacing a chepo £200 vac every year.

Ours work out at around £350ish trade including VAT.  But I can honestly say  ours go through hell with grinding slurry and out of over a 1000+ supplied I don't think in 8 years we have changed more than 5 motors.  Some of my original ones are 8+ Years old and still going strong but as your philosophy we add around £20 to every job we do to cover hoses, wet pick up heads, castors etc  and after 20+ Jobs the vacs owe us nothing.  Interestingly we bought a couple of Metal bodied ones from Eastern Trading I think quite a few years ago when we needed 8 vacs on a big grinding job and they lasted about 1 month
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« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2015, 01:34:58 pm »
That's interesting you say that Kevin as I tend to go for the chepo china 3 motor wet vacs myself now as from experience I find they tend to last just as long as the more expensive branded ones under heavy usage. That way I don't have to mess about stripping the heads down and having to buy and change motors or motor brushes when they die as I just bin them instead now.   

They way I look at it if say you add on a tenner for every smallish guttervac job you do then it more than pays for the cost of replacing a chepo £200 vac every year.

Ours work out at around £350ish trade including VAT.  But I can honestly say  ours go through hell with grinding slurry and out of over a 1000+ supplied I don't think in 8 years we have changed more than 5 motors.  Some of my original ones are 8+ Years old and still going strong but as your philosophy we add around £20 to every job we do to cover hoses, wet pick up heads, castors etc  and after 20+ Jobs the vacs owe us nothing.  Interestingly we bought a couple of Metal bodied ones from Eastern Trading I think quite a few years ago when we needed 8 vacs on a big grinding job and they lasted about 1 month

This is the type I use now but I only buy them really for the motor heads that fits well on the old omni guttervac steel drums with 100mm inlet to 51mm reduced. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WET-AND-DRY-VACUUM-VAC-CLEANER-INDUSTRIAL-80LTR-3000W-STAINLESS-STEEL-/331693725120?hash=item4d3a7c95c0:g:1xQAAOSw~bFWMPHk

As you can see from these example pics they do get a hammering .


Barry Poole

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2015, 04:42:58 pm »
If you guys want a new one I have one for sale on the equipment for sale section brand new with a pump out bought of Kevin

Smurf

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« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2015, 05:28:07 pm »
Thanks for the heads up Barry but I think a vac with a pump out would be rather pointless just used as a guttervac as most of the waste from gutters is either solid or a very thick sludge so would probably knacker it in no time at all.

Smudger

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« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2015, 08:20:36 pm »
Cheers for the link Kev - how do these compare to a. The omnivac (soteco) 4200 and b. The sky vac - vacuums
On the omnivac it uses a 50mm hose but opens upto 100mm ( I think ) at the drum, the system works well as it rarely blocks, but if 50mm cuff size works then that's cool with me.

Smurf - don't flatter yourself mate, take more than that ill informed comment to upset me, judging by others who own omnivac's and kevs comments it seems more apparent that you blow your equipment up more than anyone else I know.

As a reference, when I got the omnivac the instructions stated not to run it with the filter bag in it for gutter clearing ONLY when vacuuming large qty's of dust - could it be your straining the motors by leaving the filter bag in ?

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Kev Martin

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« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2015, 07:59:38 am »
No idea how it compares with an omnivac bud.   I have enough problems trying to do comparisons on various machines and sealers so never had any time to compare vacs.  Borrow one and try it if you like!   Then we will have a real life comparison rather than something  staged won't  we?
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« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2015, 09:48:33 am »
Ok Kev

When  it's nearer the time I'll take one on a test drive (so to speak)

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Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2015, 04:08:21 pm »
Smurf - don't flatter yourself mate, take more than that ill informed comment to upset me, judging by others who own omnivac's and kevs comments it seems more apparent that you blow your equipment up more than anyone else I know.

As a reference, when I got the omnivac the instructions stated not to run it with the filter bag in it for gutter clearing ONLY when vacuuming large qty's of dust - could it be your straining the motors by leaving the filter bag in ?

Darran

Smudger just maybe I'm either very unlucky or just might work them harder than most who knows?

Regards to using filters in or out I'm no numpty as have being using wet vacs for years to clear guttering etc.  But after saying that I distroyed an omni 4200 wet vac by leaving the drum filter out as damp crud got sucked through the motors and prematurely fooked it up.

I've found it quite common to do guttervac jobs that have a mix of dry, damp crud and standing water too all in the same gutter run. Now what are you doing to do?...Leave the filter out, use it with the filter in or keep taking the filter in and out of the drum on a single gutter run as per omni instructions ?

At the end of the day it don't matter to me how long a wet vac lasts but from experience if I get more than 12 months use out of one doing a mix of domestic, residential blocks of flats, commercial/retail jobs etc it's a bonus as has earned loads of dosh in that time.

Electric motor wet vac's suck don't you know ;D




















Kev Martin

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2015, 06:18:15 pm »
Ok Kev

When  it's nearer the time I'll take one on a test drive (so to speak)

Darran

Anytime just let me know
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BDCS

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« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2015, 09:30:13 pm »
I also have an Omni vac that I dropped out of my van and broke the top case where it meets the bin so I have spares - it also has a fooked motor and its 110v.

Kevin, do you keep the vacuums in stock with the 50mm hose inlet ? do they come with hose and tools ?

Smurf

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« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2015, 10:35:37 pm »
Glad I'm not the only one BDCS

Shortly after my little mishap I started using loading ramps.

BDCS

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2015, 11:21:46 pm »
 i moved my van to let someone out and it fell out the side door. Been using one I got out of a skip ever since but a customer asked if it was pat tested last week - my reply was that I was qualified to pat test and never answered the question

chris scott

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« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2015, 11:32:00 pm »
Is PAT testing a legal requirement?
 I was under the impression it's a legal requirment to keep your equipment "safe" …not a legal requirement to have it tested.
Then again any "competent" person can "PAT' test.

'According to PAT testing legislation, a competent person is someone who has experience or knowledge of being able to check and test appliances for safety purposes. Those with knowledge of electricity in general as well as anyone who has experience in electrical work can be deemed capable.'
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« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2015, 11:36:14 pm »
i moved my van to let someone out and it fell out the side door. Been using one I got out of a skip ever since but a customer asked if it was pat tested last week - my reply was that I was qualified to pat test and never answered the question

Easy done...
Going by the pat test bit I think you would make a great politician  ;D

Smurf

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« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2015, 11:40:08 pm »
Is PAT testing a legal requirement?
 I was under the impression it's a legal requirment to keep your equipment "safe" …not a legal requirement to have it tested.
Then again any "competent" person can "PAT' test.

'According to PAT testing legislation, a competent person is someone who has experience or knowledge of being able to check and test appliances for safety purposes. Those with knowledge of electricity in general as well as anyone who has experience in electrical work can be deemed capable.'

This may help with any questions you may have Chris
http://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/faq-portable-appliance-testing.htm

BDCS

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« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2015, 12:47:32 am »
The law only states that equipment must be safe but they can state they want it pat tested in line with their H&S policy. I have a trick megger pat tester and the C&G in pat testing

chris scott

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« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2015, 08:11:48 am »
My gutter vac is as safe as something can be…that sucks up water and sometimes squirts it through it's electric motors. (whilst working out side in the rain).
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« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2015, 09:04:04 am »
I also have an Omni vac that I dropped out of my van and broke the top case where it meets the bin so I have spares - it also has a fooked motor and its 110v.

Kevin, do you keep the vacuums in stock with the 50mm hose inlet ? do they come with hose and tools ?

Karl

No mate the German engineers change the inlet from 38mm to 50mm but the leave it with all the 38mm tools.  Yes we have them in stock
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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2015, 01:00:30 pm »
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STREAMVAC-Residential-Height-Gutter-Cleaning-Vacuum-15ft-Carbon-Poles-Gutter-/351410216179?hash=item51d1ae5cf3:g:ODIAAOSwewJTnq-y

to of my friends have these and they have had them over 3 years each boath do a lot of gutter cleaning very nce hovers lots of power to pine needels r no problim at all with them eather ill b making a set up foir £700 thats 35ft ultra lite alli poles from (bladeright tauntion) and the vac will cost me about £450 tops same vac but with out the streemline sticker on it 8) it just needs the hole blocked over and a new side angled hole to give beter suction  my friend has 2 1 is the 2k option in the link the other he made and he cant tell the difference in suction!!

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwibzY-PyfnJAhWBUhQKHfd0BgYQFgggMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bladerightcleaningsupplies.co.uk%2F&usg=AFQjCNEfqO2pUJyyXW4HPndeJkLD0-PXLw&sig2=thJW7dKhCvjcE8d9_5CmzQ&bvm=bv.110151844,d.ZWU

Smurf

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Re: gutter vac - worth it?
« Reply #69 on: December 26, 2015, 10:53:13 pm »
When you say a guttervac can suck up pine needles no problem have you tried it yourself?

My own experience a guttervac is no good on jobs like this as is quicker to do by hand.  Same goes when trying to clear the gutters with pine tree debris in them.

the king

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« Reply #70 on: December 27, 2015, 09:50:15 am »
yes ive tryed it my self and there no problim with this 1400w vac in the link yes it blocks in the end but it u lift then dab on roof tiles they shoot down the pipe no problim in ur pic when u have a huge pile like that in the roof gully then a rake and brush is defo quicker but if u needed the vac as it to high ect or conny in the way then its fine for the vac in the link

Smurf

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« Reply #71 on: December 27, 2015, 11:22:16 am »
Like you say each job is different so the tools, methods & technique you choose can vary too.

Still at the end of the day if you can get away from roofline ladder work and a lot of gutter clearing jobs you can.  All be it slower in some cases then that has got to be a good thing for sure.


Smurf

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« Reply #72 on: December 27, 2015, 12:12:38 pm »
Have you tried both your mates carbon and the ultra lite alli poles from (bladeright tauntion) as a direct comparision. If so did you not find the carbon poles a lot easier to use?


 

the king

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« Reply #73 on: December 27, 2015, 05:28:37 pm »
thats it every job ios different , no ive not tryed the poles but my m8 has compaired them to his streemline carbon poles and he said there  is hardly any difference in waight but he said his carbon poles have broke b 4 and there wering out quick were these alli ones r strong and should last a long time i dont do a lot of gutter cleraning so they should last me a life time ;D but its nce to have a vac in ur armry  8)

Smurf

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« Reply #74 on: December 28, 2015, 11:12:20 am »
I've got both carbon & T1 grade aerospace aluminium guttervac poles.

Out of the two carbon guttervac poles are so much easier to use especially on acute angles/awkward jobs and above 2 storey.  The set I bought paid for themselves and more some on the very first job I used them on.

Defo a no brainer if you ask me.


BDCS

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« Reply #75 on: December 28, 2015, 09:02:45 pm »
I sold my alloy poles to a weight lifting champion and kept my carbon poles - I wonder why ?

Smurf

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« Reply #76 on: December 29, 2015, 07:30:26 pm »
To be honest I still carry both types in the van as found on really tough straight forward 2 storey guttervac jobs can still come in handy from time to time as can get a lot more leverage to break up sods etc using my old T1 aerospace aluminium poles than the carbon ones. Old habits die hard I suppose.