[C.C.S.]

could'nt help noticing on some of the pic's that were posted on ccdo, the evolution wand, was there the whole cobra setup at the event or was it just the wand? the wand looks like a mean piece of kit, not your normal wand type style......... C.C.S.

[stevegunn]

Just the wand was on show

[C.C.S.]

mr gunn, did you get a chance to use it or see it in action, or is it a much of a muchness? C.C.S.

[*paul_moss]

I used it, really light and nice to use. If the price is right may get one.

[C.C.S.]

how many jets does it have, is it glidy, & whats the psi max for this wand? thanx paul......

[stevegunn]

Six jets, very light,glide fitted and a joy to use certainly looking at getting one

[C.C.S.]

thanx, lads! who's the designated supplier in the uk or does cobra have a distributor here in blitey.........C.C.S.

[stevegunn]

Hydramaster are bringing the wands in later this year I believe

[C.C.S.]

last & most important question on this subject...............HOW MUCH? C.C.S.

[stevegunn]

$508 in the States someone mention £700 over here

http://www.jondon.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=31383&osCsid=2a49a402dd26de76e0b72542287c5bc1

[C.C.S.]

its a good job i'm sitting down

[davep]

Is that £700 to import?  Suely £350 plus international carriage would add up to less..

Here is a video although it wouldnt open on my pc   

http://www.tsccleansmart.com/asp/default.asp?p=36

Also..

http://steamactionsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=194&HS=1

[Paul Redden Countryfresh]

This email might make things clearer 
Subject: Evolution Cleaning Wand
 
Thanks for your enquiry regarding the above.- The Wands are currently being manufactured in various derivatives:
 
150 psi
300 psi
500 psi
 
We intend to be importing the 500 psi version which should cover most eventualities.
 
The cost will be £395.00 + VAT per unit
 
There will also be a  slightly lager version for truckmounted units which will also have a higher spec. valve which will be available by the end of February at £575.00 + VAT
 
Please let me know if you need any more information at this stage.
 
Regards
 
John
 
 
 
John Sharp
07768 448 065
john@fabricare.co.uk

[*paul_moss]

Who is John Sharp ?

[carpet guy]

Did a number of people not fork out around £500 recently for a similar wand

[Paul Redden Countryfresh]

Who is John Sharp ?

Somewhere on here I responded to an enquiry and got this email.
Sorry can't be more specific

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

i will be getting mine via the u.s. and cutting the middleman out   

[*paul_moss]

Susan I may do the same give me a ring

[Joe H]

I have emailed John Sharp for more details of the 500psi version. ie wodth, no of jets etc.
Will post his reply as soon as I get one.

[*paul_moss]

Joe its the same as the one at ccdo, six jet sixteen inch head.

[Joe H]

but Paul, the post by Countryfresh stated that they were doing a larger version for truckmounts. How much bigger can you get then 16" 6 heads.

[*paul_moss]

Joe think the difference is the 2 inch pipe thats all.

[Jeff Lydon/Greenie]

Is it still a plastic wand head glued to an alum. pipe?

As I understand it, at those prices, you could purchase a titanium wand.

Is there something in the water?

[Joe H]

I have emailed John Sharp for more details of the 500psi version. ie wodth, no of jets etc.
Will post his reply as soon as I get one.

The T/M version shown at the CCDO as we know is 6 jet 16", no 1's, 4x110, 2x95 at the ends.

the ones for 150, 300, 500 psi are 2 jet, 12", no other info yet.
hoped they would have been at least 14", 4 jet for the higher of those pressures

[Mike Halliday]

taken from the Don Jon website;

When tested against other traditional wands, the Evolution removed twice the moisture of the next best performing wand.

ABSOLUTE CRAP!!

this is impossible, I must already remove at least 50% of the moisture from the carpet, according to Don Jon this wand would remove double, so the carpet would be totally dry.

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Susan I may do the same give me a ring

havnt got your number sorry  still waiting to hear back and i will let you know as soon a do maybe a group buy is on the cards

[francis]

Mike

Your maths are not quite correct.    If you remove 50% and they reckon this wand removes 50% more than you already do, that makes a total of 75% removal

[Mike Halliday]

that was a conservative estimate

its more like 80%,  so 50% more is 120% which mean the carpet is 20% Drier than before I pull up outside the door

[mark shannon]

Is the whole wand plastic or just the head and how strong is it ?

[francis]

No you are correct Mike. Just read the Don Jon site./ Twice as dry as you would otherwise get them.  Wonder if they have 'Trading Standards' in the States.  What happens to carpet fibres if you get them drier than 100% dry?

[Joe H]

that was a conservative estimate

its more like 80%,  so 50% more is 120% which mean the carpet is 20% Drier than before I pull up outside the door

Just shows you cant believe everything a salesman tells you!

Oops! Must remember that next time talking to a customer!

[*paul_moss]

Not really worried what its made of, its lighter, got more jets, better air flow( apparently) and only $580 if bought direct from USA ( plus post and taxs)
Im in for one  

I asked on truckmounters about the wands they have just bought against this one and I was supprised by the responses.

[mark shannon]

Paul who is the dealer in US thats a great price

[C.C.S.]

cobra us

[Len Gribble]

Not that impressed will stick with the two jets I have! What’s all this rotationally-molded carpet wand


Len

[colin thomas]

i have the evolution wand on loan at the moment, it's the 16" that was at wolverhampton, i have been using it whenever i can bearing in mind it is 16" wide. it's good. very light, it has a slotted glide on it so it picks up all sorts of c**p on the carpet but is easy to push/pull, the 16" has a 2" vac tube so with a truck mount it SUCKS and i mean that in a good way!!! the head is quite large as it is an all in one constuction, the down side to that is that it's not always easy to get under say low radiators, the wand head gets in the way, but if that's a worry, it only takes a couple of secs to change to say a stair tool to reach under there and most radiators are well off the floor anyway. personally i like a hybrid glide and i don't know if they are available or indeed the price of a new glide. the wand does 'give' a little on some carpets and that feels odd but it doesn't feel like it would break at all. the only real downside to the 16" wand that has 6 jets is that there is no splash guard and the outer jets don't seem to reach the full width of the wand, this could be a problem when it comes to rinsing up to the skirting board, i have been turning the wand at an angle to spray and then rinse or hitting the edges from full on as it were. i don't know about this issue with the other wands in the series, ie the 1.5" vac tube models.
some of the lads at the sdo said that it compared favourably with their ti wands regards weight, ie it is very light

all in all i think it is a very good wand and i hope that john gott, hydramster, has forgotten i have the wand on loan!!

[colin thomas]

as a ps to my previous post if i had one of these wands i would just change the outside jets to a wider spray pattern to cover more carpet, i think this would solve the 'reach' problem at the edges

[mark shannon]

As light as a Ti wand at half the price sounds like a bargain 

[elliott cleaning]

Would imagine however, that its life expectancy will be a good deal shorter than the Ti

[mark shannon]

True

[stevegunn]

Evolution wand and new design drimaster tool from the states

$1,331.02=£671.99 plus custom costs
 

[Jeff Lydon/Greenie]

I will probably get a ration from the HM boys but.....You guys do realize this is a plastic wand head glued to an aluminum shaft right?

[*paul_moss]

Jeff we have been through this on truckmounters whemn you posted the same point.

[carpet guy]

Jeff

So what...............there have been plastic / metal wands before, the only problem was balance, or lack of it.

rob

[Jeff Lydon/Greenie]

Just trying to comunicate a detail I find disturbing in a professional tool, and I don't for a second assume everyone here also reads on truckmounters forum Paul.

I won't comment further on this tool.

[colin thomas]

no offence meant here to portys but anyone with a truck-mount thinking of the 16" tool, make sure you get at least a hybrid glide on it, been using the wand a lot this week and a few times i have given up with it as it sucks too much with the slotted glide, it's ok if it's on an open weave type carpet but if the carpet is low profile you can hardly move the da** thing!  it's the 2" vac barrel that makes the difference i think, with the 1.5" tube it is probably ok.

colin

[*paul_moss]

Colin how have you found it over all, can you give us a detailed update?

[Luc]

I have just recently brought a green glides wand and i must say im more than impressed with it. It cleans amazing and the dryin times are fantastic.

Im sure this evoultion wand cleans just as well but like i find with computers, you buy one and another souped uped amazing new super new model always comes out.

For me im staying with the greenglides wand as like everything new there is lots of hype surrounding it. I made the decision to spend £500 on the greenhorn as im really happy with it and cleaning carpets at 500psi is amazing. I was worried about the drying times but after spending a week phoning the customers to see the drying times i was impressed. The only thing is ive noticed i use a lot more water but it sure seems to flush the dirt out quicked

[mark shannon]

Luc the Greenhorn is supplied with jets flow totaling 8 i got another set giving me the more standard 6 flow.

However i agree the wand seems to flush the dirt out of the carpet with the 8 flow but i was using to much water.

I now swap to suite the carpet i love the wand and with the 12" head it is not to heavy.

[carpet guy]

Luc

Do you really need 500 to clean the average carpet ?

[*paul_moss]

Evolution wand and new design drimaster tool from the states

$1,331.02=£671.99 plus custom costs
 

Steve what would it be minus the hand tool?

[Luc]

Hi carpet guy,

I dont obviously use 500psi on everyjob ie wool or fairly clean carpets, i have howerver had several dirty end of tenneacy jobs and have found that when working at say 300 the greenhorn dose not seem to flush it as throughly as at 500, I'm not sure if this is because the jets are angled differant. When i was using my old 2jet westpack wand i never went over 350. I emailed greenglides and he assured me to try cleaning at higher psi and i must admit i was nervous at first but cleaning sone dirty nightclub at 500psi is amazing and defiantly cleans quicker i have found

[lands]

I know someone that reckons they will be seeling the evo wand for £420 flat when they arrive.

[John Gregory]

Pete ' keep us informed

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Keep frindly with him at that price Pete, you don't want to fall out with a contact like that!

Shaun

[stevegunn]

Evolution wand and new design drimaster tool from the states

$1,331.02=£671.99 plus custom costs
 

Steve what would it be minus the hand tool?

Quoted $449.96 for just dri-master tool

[*paul_moss]

So thats around £550 all in for the wand. Im in. Unless Pete's contact comes up trumps

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

So thats around £550 all in for the wand. Im in. Unless Pete's contact comes up trumps

me too if pete doesnt mind , my guy said 600 pounds for the wand at the door ? so cant do better then stevs quote 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Spencer

If you are watching, look at the wand you got with the TM and if you are pushing that all day  (remember it's stuck to the carpet) then a nice wand will help you loads, I have a Titanium wand £800 plus the vat and it is far easier to use than my Westpak by a country mile, an Evo wand at these prices are a steal although I'm not buying one it would have saved me loads.

A wand is not just for Christmas it's for life - your life! make it easier on yourself.

Shaun

[colin thomas]

anyone seen the price of the evolution wand on the hydramaster site, not bad

colin

[Joe H]

£465 + vat - they say its the 2" version.

[*paul_moss]

Joe is that price off HM ?

[carpet guy]

Sold out !!!!!

[*paul_moss]

Ah !!, they must of only brought one over from the States then 

[Joe H]

As Colin from CBT says - its on their website.
Stock due in 21st May 2008

[elliott cleaning]

Interesting that HM have been able to offer at £465 considering all the faffing about with importing it direct from the US.  Maybe the suppliers over here are not rip off merchants as some seem to think.   Carpet guy, "Sold out".    Paul "they must have only brought one in from the States".  Guess your correct.
Happy wanding CBT

[Aleatherguy]

The evolution has a 1 1/2" and a 2" version. It is made of Aircraft aluminum and has an adjustable grip handle. Note the glide at the base (head) of the wand. Handles 500 psi pressure on the truckmount version.

Light? Yes, very. There are several leaving on container to HydraMaster in Cornwall that I'm aware of.

[Ken Wainwright]

At the CCDO, I heard someone say that they were titanium. Was this correct? The metal was certainly thin enough to be titanium rather than aluminium.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[Glynn]

Plastic head glued to an aluminium tube so I told off someone from the states. Yuk.
Much better off with a real Titanium wand.

[lands]

Don't spose there are any GT's being sent to HM are there?   

[Jeff Lydon/Greenie]

If it were titanium it would cost a fortune as I just measured the tube thickness, it's roughly 3 times thicker walled than the prochem titanium wand.

[carpet guy]

The spec' states " aircraft grade aluminiun " and why would anyone be concerned about the tube ad head being bonded with adhesive, that's the way golf club heads are attached to shafts, instead of the old method of rivetting, which eventually broke down...............this has been the case for 30 years and Ican assure you, it's pretty easy to detach a rivetted head, but extremely difficult to remove a bonded one.

Yes, another part of my past working life. As a golf pro, part of the job is repairing clubs.

rob

Incidentally, for portable owners, there is a 1 1/2 " Evolution wand for nearly half the cost of the 2".

[Jeff Lydon/Greenie]

It's funny you mention "for portable users", I would say porty users have jsut as much if not more need for a 2" vacuum tube on their wand as the TM crowd does...it's all about making the extraction process as efficient as possible and taking every advantage presented to us. Same goes for 2" hose of course.

It's not directed at anyone in particular, but when as an "industry" did we get off track with all this 1.5" hose and tool stuff being for porties in the first place?

I say we break the chain today, and abolish all tiny hose, from here on out all machines will be set up to run 2" hose!  Here, here?

[carpet guy]

The portable users comment comes from the manufacturer, not me

[Jeff Lydon/Greenie]

exactly...let's change the misguided standard!