[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Kevin, You have requested from us in the past samples of our microcleaning pad technology for deep cleaning hard floors which we were happy to send to you, i had emailed you after to see how you got on with them but you did not even have the courtesy to reply to our email, so as for sending more products over to you we will skip on that one. You have stated more than once that you are very happy with your products for cleaning floors and i respect your decision on that, from my point Kevin on this post i am just trying to let the newer guys coming into our industry  be aware of the damage that can be caused to surfaces from continuously cleaning them with high alkaline based cleaning chemicals. And again for the benefits of the newer guys, products that come under the Gras rating (generally regarded as safe) are products with a pH value of between 5 to 10
The pH scale measures how acidic or how alkaline a substance is, a pH of 7 is classed as neutral so a pH value less than 7 is acidic and a pH value greater than 7 is classed as alkaline.
The pH scale is logarithmic and as a result each whole pH value above 7 for example a cleaning product with a pH value of 10 is ten times more alkaline than a product with a pH value of 9, but is a 100 times more alkaline than a product with a pH value of 8. So to Err on the side of caution if you are purchasing cleaning chemicals from your janitorial supplier always check the pH value which will be stated on the msds. again this is geared for newer people who are going to be using cleaning chemicals on a continuous basis on the same surfaces, So Kevin i hope you understand where i am coming from its the continuous use of high alkaline based cleaners used on the same surfaces will lead to detrimental damage being caused to that substrate. If this had been explained to me when i joined the industry many years ago it would of saved me causing lots of detrimental damage to my clients surfaces, so hope that some guys might find this beneficial for the future.

[Kev Martin]

Tadgh

You have misread my post!  You don't get it do you?  I am going to clean 50M2 of filthy porcelain in toilets using your products. I need enough products to do the job with a method statement to follow. I don' t want your products for nothing! Invoice me for Enough of your products to do the job! Incidentally I answer every e mail so if you didn't get a reply I didn't Get the e mail

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Marblelife Ltd

[Tadgh O Shea]

Kevin, I think you are just trying to be a smart ass now, Why would i say i sent you an email when i have all the proof on our Gmail which stores every email we send and receive and does not lie. I think you misread my last post, i have sent you in the past samples on some of our products for deep cleaning floors, i followed through with an email to see how you found them and out of courtesy you would not even send a reply, if you had sent back an email weather positive or negative on your testing i would be happy to send you an order. I can tell you now again Kevin i will not be sending any products to you again so please refrain from asking for any thank you. now from my end Kevin i have shared some information which i hope can be of benefit in helping some guys make an informed decision when they are purchasing cleaning chemicals from their suppliers.

[Kev Martin]

Tadgh

You reply is out of order and very condescending!  Firstly you question my knowledge and now my integrity?  I told you that I did not receive your e mail or if it was received it was not read by me personally or it would have been answered! 

The rest of your reply confirms my initial thoughts and tells me everything I need to know!  I will use our products on this job that were used and worked on the test area!  Incidentally when you have more time maybe you can try to explain in detail with evidence how chemically a diluted High Alkalkine Cleaner, dwelling on a floor for under an hour, extracted and then correctly rinsed off and extracted again can damage the surface of a 12mm Through Bodied R11 Porcelain Tile fired at over 1350 degrees making it virtually Fully Vitrified because the R&D done by the lab in the US contradicts and shows no effect or any breakdown on the surface at all repeating the same process over & over!  Perhaps you are referring to much softer or more porous materiel???

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Marblelife Ltd

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Kevin, I think you are getting it, now can we just leave it there.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Ok Kevin, That answer was a bit harsh and i apologize for that as its not my style, again this post was never about fully vitrified surfaces, and i kept making the point about high alkaline chemical cleaners causing detrimental damage to surfaces from continuous use, so now thats my last call on this one.

[Kev Martin]

Ok Kevin, That answer was a bit harsh and i apologize for that as its not my style, again this post was never about fully vitrified surfaces, and i kept making the point about high alkaline chemical cleaners causing detrimental damage to surfaces from continuous use, so now thats my last call on this one.

Tadgh

I don't have a problem with you or your posts!  In fact I enjoy some of your posts!  I have no problem changing to more ecological products either!  I only want the best for my staff and clients and we are constantly developing new products and ideas.  Don't forget our motto adopted is "Education Before Any Sale"  if it weren't I would be a lot richer!  Aqua Mix is not really about cleaners they just got developed along the way to compliment the sealers, problem solvers and stone restoration products.  Aqua Mix products are primarily "Water Based" hence the name and finally never forget we are talking about a company here that produces products in a US State that probably has amongst the highest safety regulations in the World.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
Marblelife Ltd

[Stu Roberts]

Thanks for your help chaps. Some interesting and thought provoking conversation there. I understand that I have a few ways I can approach this particular beast, and I'm all for offering a 'greener' method of cleaning. Too many times have I walked away from a job feeling as though I have been affected by using a particularly harsh chemical. If I were to use an 'eco' method, any idea on the best solution or chemical to use? I have the equipment to offer the 'scrub' method, so this option may be more financially viable right now...

Thankss.