james peters

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first attempt at softwashing render
« on: May 15, 2020, 05:57:00 pm »


so I did this to my garage wall today, was my first attempt.
I have noticed the hypo continues to work after the clean for a few hours .
how much do you guys pay for your hypo?

Slacky

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2020, 06:02:51 pm »
£11.00 for 20 litres. 11%.

Hype will work for 20 minutes, no longer. After that time it starts to break down and no longer has its bleaching abilities.

zesty

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2020, 06:07:59 pm »
£23 for 14/15% 20l barrel. I cost it into the job.

That’s very cheap slacky. Though it is 11%.

Looks like you did a good job, that’s come up well!

Slacky

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2020, 06:11:40 pm »
Mole Valley Farmers.

It's sold as a product called Red Label. It's used as disinfectant in dairies.

http://www.molevalleyfarmers.com/mvf/store/products/deosan-red-label-hypochlorite

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2020, 06:12:02 pm »
Twenty notes plus vat for 25L @ 15%

james peters

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2020, 06:29:50 pm »
so I may offer this to existing customers …
I have noticed with some detached new builds , they are close together, like 3/4 ft apart..... surely this is impossible to clean unless you had a space mans outfit?   I am guessing that it would be a NO NO ?

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2020, 06:34:40 pm »
If your getting into that kind of work do it probably
Full PPE mask ,overalls ,and a lot of plastic sheeting to protect plants .

james peters

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2020, 06:47:37 pm »


so this is my house , only the front is render …. how much would you guys charge ? how long should it take ? will I need to cover the door ?

nathankaye

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2020, 07:15:17 pm »
£250 - £300

I have a house quoted at £850, doing front and half the side for £350.
Its worth getting.  Ive tried finding another window cleaner in my area so i can pass the job on as my circumstances have changed.  Yet ive asked several and asked if they know anyone. Apparantly im the only one they know that does so.
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james peters

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2020, 07:24:25 pm »
£250 - £300

I have a house quoted at £850, doing front and half the side for £350.
Its worth getting.  Ive tried finding another window cleaner in my area so i can pass the job on as my circumstances have changed.  Yet ive asked several and asked if they know anyone. Apparantly im the only one they know that does so.
wow.... is that £250 for just the front ? I am assuming its about a morning to do the front ?

reflection

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2020, 08:08:24 pm »
Yous don’t just use hypo do you.
Do you not use a byocide.

And what ratio are you mixing the hypo to water

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2020, 08:09:39 pm »
A morning what spraying it on and then washing it off,I’ve seen a few videos on this with really good results looks a much better way of cleaning things outside much easier on the body and way quicker.

Slacky

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2020, 08:15:45 pm »
Yous don’t just use hypo do you.
Do you not use a byocide.

And what ratio are you mixing the hypo to water

Biocide is a different chemical altogether. It is applied for different reasons than just cleaning and achieving a rapid result, which is what Hypo will give you.

Mixing ratio depends on what you're trying to clean and the strength of the hypo you're using.

Ste b

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2020, 08:23:14 pm »
£250 - £300

I have a house quoted at £850, doing front and half the side for £350.
Its worth getting.  Ive tried finding another window cleaner in my area so i can pass the job on as my circumstances have changed.  Yet ive asked several and asked if they know anyone. Apparantly im the only one they know that does so.

I was speaking to a friend of a friend a couple of days ago and he was paying 1500 to get his house painted, soft wash would of done the job for alot lest...
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zesty

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2020, 08:29:05 pm »
I did a softwash job this morning in Chelmsford.

Side and rear cladded house (2 bed, so not big at all) I quoted it at £350 from photos. When I got there, it was actually only an hours work so I dropped it to £250.

 Mainly as the guy was in and it was far too embarrassing to ask for £350 notes for an hours work. (Some would be more hard nosed than me, but I had another £50 of window cleaning to do after anyway).


Softwashing is extremely lucrative. I absolutely love it.

You don’t need to cover the doors, you don’t need to wear full PPE, but you most definitely want to be wearing chemical gloves and sunglasses/goggles.

Just make sure you don’t mind getting your clothes bleached, as some of it inevitably finds its way onto your clothes. Avoid bare skin, but at 2-3% it’s not going to harm you at all. I’ve had it in my eyes and all it did was sting. People worry way too much. Neat hypo - that’s a different matter. Very dangerous.

I’ve never put sheets down, but it’s worth  drenching the grass and shrubs with water before starting.

Always move pots etc away from the walls being cleaned.

I tend to tell the customer that it will smell like a swimming pool for a while, just so they don’t wonder what’s going on!

Enjoy it, it’s a rewarding job, with a very attractive earning potential.

Today’s job for me used just 10 litres of Hypo. Barely any expenses at all. Money paid in one lump sum there and then. Perfect 👌

Ste b

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2020, 08:35:55 pm »
I done our patio a couple of weeks ago, wayyyyyy to much like hard work, maybe different on render ??
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james peters

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2020, 08:51:42 pm »
I did a softwash job this morning in Chelmsford.

Side and rear cladded house (2 bed, so not big at all) I quoted it at £350 from photos. When I got there, it was actually only an hours work so I dropped it to £250.

 Mainly as the guy was in and it was far too embarrassing to ask for £350 notes for an hours work. (Some would be more hard nosed than me, but I had another £50 of window cleaning to do after anyway).


Softwashing is extremely lucrative. I absolutely love it.

You don’t need to cover the doors, you don’t need to wear full PPE, but you most definitely want to be wearing chemical gloves and sunglasses/goggles.

Just make sure you don’t mind getting your clothes bleached, as some of it inevitably finds its way onto your clothes. Avoid bare skin, but at 2-3% it’s not going to harm you at all. I’ve had it in my eyes and all it did was sting. People worry way too much. Neat hypo - that’s a different matter. Very dangerous.

I’ve never put sheets down, but it’s worth  drenching the grass and shrubs with water before starting.

Always move pots etc away from the walls being cleaned.

I tend to tell the customer that it will smell like a swimming pool for a while, just so they don’t wonder what’s going on!

Enjoy it, it’s a rewarding job, with a very attractive earning potential.

Today’s job for me used just 10 litres of Hypo. Barely any expenses at all. Money paid in one lump sum there and then. Perfect 👌

I am thinking I may have a dabble . I just lack confidence .    tho I was the first in my town to go water fed pole back in 20005.
thank you for the advice zesty…. much appreciated .

zesty

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2020, 09:00:34 pm »
Give it a go mate, even if you find some family or friends houses to practice on...

Slacky

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2020, 09:12:04 pm »
I tend to tell the customer that it will smell like a swimming pool for a while, just so they don’t wonder what’s going on!

Don't you use a mask or scent?

james peters

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2020, 09:29:38 pm »
I tend to tell the customer that it will smell like a swimming pool for a while, just so they don’t wonder what’s going on!

Don't you use a mask or scent?
is there a scent to hide it ? I had a headache slightly

Slacky

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2020, 09:34:37 pm »
There is, however, it's not easy to come by currently, because of lockdown.

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2020, 10:21:25 pm »
£11.00 for 20 litres. 11%.

Hype will work for 20 minutes, no longer. After that time it starts to break down and no longer has its bleaching abilities.



Hypo can remain active for up to 21 days then it breaks down into  salts

Slacky

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2020, 10:39:29 pm »
Once mixed with water and/or exposed to sunlight bleach rapidly degrades.

zesty

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2020, 07:42:49 am »
I use Tesco washing machine fragrance. You can still smell the bleach most of the time.

I don’t wear a mask when softwashing, unless in an enclosed area.


zesty

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2020, 07:43:39 am »
£11.00 for 20 litres. 11%.

Hype will work for 20 minutes, no longer. After that time it starts to break down and no longer has its bleaching abilities.



Hypo can remain active for up to 21 days then it breaks down into  salts

It still cleans effectively though, no matter how long you keep the barrel sitting there.


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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2020, 09:12:51 am »
sorry to be a pain ...another question..... walls above conservatorys??    will the hypo damage the conservatory roof?
should I keep rinsing the roof every 5 mins as I work ?


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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2020, 09:23:21 am »
Lead flashing will be damaged, seals can get damaged on conny roofs and plant life can suffer badly so rinse well and water well before hand as well (plant life)
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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2020, 10:06:40 am »
Lead flashing will be damaged, seals can get damaged on conny roofs and plant life can suffer badly so rinse well and water well before hand as well (plant life)
How do they get up on the conny roofs?
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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2020, 10:19:07 am »
Lead flashing will be damaged, seals can get damaged on conny roofs and plant life can suffer badly so rinse well and water well before hand as well (plant life)
How do they get up on the conny roofs?

Sorry, i should have started by saying these are some of the things that can be damaged by hypo, and be wary of drift spray as well
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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2020, 10:53:37 am »
sorry to be a pain ...another question..... walls above conservatorys??    will the hypo damage the conservatory roof?
should I keep rinsing the roof every 5 mins as I work ?

Will be absolutely fine mate, just rinse down after.

Sometimes, and it is only sometimes, the upvc can turn a bit yellow in places, but, and it’s a big but, that only happens if the upvc is very old and starting go slightly chalky.  The yellowing will disappear over a few hours though.

A bit like when you clean frames that are old, and you get that milky looking water coming down the window. It’s just old.

Don’t worry about the seals, they won’t suffer any issues with a 2-3% mix. The exposure isn’t long enough or frequent enough to cause damage.

Of course, always inspect the roof first, to see if it’s in good enough shape to handle the mix. Ultimately though, I can’t think of one time that I’ve had to say no to a job through worry of damage .

Just do the basics:

Move plant pots

Move any garden furniture

Wet any shrubs or grass before starting.

Thoroughly rinse.

Thoroughly rinse/drench any effected grass/shrubs after.

Be honest with the customer that the mix can cause damage to shrubs. To cover your self!






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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2020, 11:10:58 am »
sorry to be a pain ...another question..... walls above conservatorys??    will the hypo damage the conservatory roof?
should I keep rinsing the roof every 5 mins as I work ?

Will be absolutely fine mate, just rinse down after.

Sometimes, and it is only sometimes, the upvc can turn a bit yellow in places, but, and it’s a big but, that only happens if the upvc is very old and starting go slightly chalky.  The yellowing will disappear over a few hours though.

A bit like when you clean frames that are old, and you get that milky looking water coming down the window. It’s just old.

Don’t worry about the seals, they won’t suffer any issues with a 2-3% mix. The exposure isn’t long enough or frequent enough to cause damage.

Of course, always inspect the roof first, to see if it’s in good enough shape to handle the mix. Ultimately though, I can’t think of one time that I’ve had to say no to a job through worry of damage .

Just do the basics:

Move plant pots

Move any garden furniture

Wet any shrubs or grass before starting.

Thoroughly rinse.

Thoroughly rinse/drench any effected grass/shrubs after.

Be honest with the customer that the mix can cause damage to shrubs. To cover your self!

great... I guess confidence will come with each job... …. the only problem I can see is where two houses are close together... it would be impossible to do as the hypo will be running all over you...… like when you clean an apex  fascia and you have no room to stand back.

zesty

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2020, 11:13:21 am »
You can stand to the side, and spray with the wind 👍🏼

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2020, 05:21:18 pm »
I tend to tell the customer that it will smell like a swimming pool for a while, just so they don’t wonder what’s going on!

Don't you use a mask or scent?
is there a scent to hide it ? I had a headache slightly

https://www.softwashing.uk/products/clever-scent-softwashing-cover-scent

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Re: first attempt at softwashing render
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2020, 06:29:45 pm »
id make sure the conservatory roof guttering doesn't go into a water butt as well, just divert it if it does.