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Tosh

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Trad versus WFP
« on: March 22, 2016, 10:37:22 pm »
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Clever Forum Name

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2016, 11:15:06 pm »
Where is the trad part ?
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2016, 11:21:10 pm »
The trad guy is just filling his bucket  ;D
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sunshine windows

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2016, 12:41:05 am »
Thanks for editing   ;D
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DaveG

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2016, 08:04:23 am »
Love that music!  ;D ;D ;D
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2016, 08:13:15 am »
Wish I could work that fast. Once the music started I too was waiting for the scantily clad girls to start chasing him about   ;D
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cat9921

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2016, 04:02:13 pm »
You WFP cleaners make me made  >:( , You Think that your way is the best and trad is not up to it, Trad rules and wfp drools
end of story ?
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ashbash

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2016, 09:17:52 pm »
Cat man... Keep climbing them ladders.  ;) ;)
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2016, 09:28:41 pm »
Quote from: cat9921 on March 23, 2016, 04:02:13 pm
You WFP cleaners make me made  >:( , You Think that your way is the best and trad is not up to it, Trad rules and wfp drools
end of story ?

The trad v wfp has been done to death.
What you may not realise a lot of wfp users on here started off as trad.
I think in this day and age a window cleaner should be able to use both methods most suited to the job in hand as there are pro's and con's for both.
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cat9921

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2016, 09:30:30 pm »
Quote from: ashbash on March 23, 2016, 09:17:52 pm
Cat man... Keep climbing them ladders.  ;) ;)

ladders, chuff that you do know that i am wfp  ;D
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2016, 10:47:04 pm »
Quote from: cat9921 on March 23, 2016, 09:30:30 pm
Quote from: ashbash on March 23, 2016, 09:17:52 pm
Cat man... Keep climbing them ladders.  ;) ;)

ladders, chuff that you do know that i am wfp  ;D

Can you trad though as if not then you can't be a proper window cleaner   ;D
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SeanK

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2016, 11:15:18 pm »
Quote from: Smurf on March 23, 2016, 10:47:04 pm
Quote from: cat9921 on March 23, 2016, 09:30:30 pm
Quote from: ashbash on March 23, 2016, 09:17:52 pm
Cat man... Keep climbing them ladders.  ;) ;)

ladders, chuff that you do know that i am wfp  ;D

Can you trad though as if not then you can't be a proper window cleaner   ;D

Does using a Karcher window vac count ?
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Tosh

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2016, 11:16:49 pm »
Can anyone 'fan' with a Karcher?
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2016, 11:29:04 pm »
Why can you?  ;D
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Tadgh O Shea

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2016, 12:03:33 am »
Window vacs, reminds me of steam floor mops its reckoned that there are millions of steam floor mops stored in cupboards under stairs and will be left there until eventually they will end up in the rubbish bin or a skip on a spring clear out. Probably fair to say window vacs are heading in the same direction.
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Shane sharples

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2016, 07:46:27 am »
One of my customers asked me how to stop the karcher window vac to stop leaving dirty water mark lines on the insides of her windows, I told her they are a waste of time and I would happily do it for 30 notes ( quick 10 minute job) ... She declined
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2016, 10:35:52 am »
Quote from: Shrek on March 24, 2016, 07:46:27 am
One of my customers asked me how to stop the karcher window vac to stop leaving dirty water mark lines on the insides of her windows, I told her they are a waste of time and I would happily do it for 30 notes ( quick 10 minute job) ... She declined

I would have said when using a window vac try not to leave any stop start marks and if you do wipe them over with a dry clean microfibre cloth and see if that helps. If not then let me know as I would be happy to do the insides aswell for x amount.

It's a case I think of trying to be helpful as goes a long way with customers and they will think more of you than just saying a window vac is rubbish  I will do it for x amount.  ;D
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Tadgh O Shea

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2016, 07:43:41 pm »
I would agree about being helpful with the customer by explaining to them that its not possible to clean glass properly with any make or model window vac.
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2016, 10:20:26 pm »
Thing is I know it's possible to get good enough results with a karcher window vac Tadge as I've got one so why would I lie. ;D
Like any tool you just need to know how to use it properly and if need be wipe any stop start marks off the glass and detail the edges.  Job done  :P
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Tadgh O Shea

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2016, 10:27:15 pm »
Hi Smurf, i have to say at best they are just a gimmick, so lets just agree to disagree when it comes to cleaning glass properly with a window vac.  Tadgh
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2016, 10:38:05 pm »
OK then  ;D ;D
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Tadgh O Shea

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2016, 11:49:45 pm »
If you remember Smurf, when steam floor mops first came out they were all the rave because of clever marketing then many other companies jumped on the scene with their own version of a gimmicky cleaning tool.
It will be the same with window vacs one company introduces it to the market now already there are many other versions available for another gimmicky cleaning tool, but that is down to the power of good marketing campaigns.
Just to share the way i see it anyway, and i have been around long enough in this game not to be taken in by clever marketing campaigns. Tadgh
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2016, 08:53:04 am »
Still they work reasonably enough though as consumers keep buying them and even post vids how well they work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QrJRkne7GA

Apparently are also good for condensation, table tops etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8mJ-NrhVU0
and even cleaning bathrooms too  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LObHSTkB10E

 ;D ;D

I'm wondering how many on here have actualy lost work because their customers bought a window vac to try to save money on window cleaning costs. I've lost one how about you guy's?  ::)roll






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Shane sharples

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2016, 09:37:17 am »
None so far as I won't advise how's best to use them  ;D
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2016, 10:05:45 am »
It's a bit harder for folk to do outsides on 2 - 3 storey with a wet vac though .
Mind I did see an old boy a while ago up a ladder using one on his upper bay windows holding on for grim death. Bless him  ;D
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Tosh

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2016, 10:08:01 am »
Don't think so. You see it's funny isn't it. These tools are on the market but they don't affect our businesses despite initially thinking there is potential for that to happen.

People pay for the service, the convenience. It's not about our time and how long we are there, it's about THEIR time and the limited amount of time there is in today's busy world. They want clean windows but haven't got time to clean them themselves - even if they had a  Karcher. It's a lot easier to come home from work and pay the window cleaner for the convenience then come home and get the ladder and Karcher Vac out.
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2016, 10:14:44 am »
A few of my customers own a window vac but like you say can't really be arsed to use them as the insides are generally filthy most of the year.

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Tadgh O Shea

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2016, 08:01:05 pm »
Quote from: Smurf on March 25, 2016, 08:53:04 am
Still they work reasonably enough though as consumers keep buying them and even post vids how well they work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QrJRkne7GA

Apparently are also good for condensation, table tops etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8mJ-NrhVU0
and even cleaning bathrooms too  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LObHSTkB10E

 ;D ;D

I'm wondering how many on here have actualy lost work because their customers bought a window vac to try to save money on window cleaning costs. I've lost one how about you guy's?  ::)roll
Hi Smurf, thanks for sharing the vids did have a good laugh at them, smear free finish yes for sure window vacs are the way to go.  ;D
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Shane sharples

Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2016, 08:26:25 pm »
Quote from: Tadgh O Shea on March 25, 2016, 08:01:05 pm
Quote from: Smurf on March 25, 2016, 08:53:04 am
Still they work reasonably enough though as consumers keep buying them and even post vids how well they work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QrJRkne7GA

Apparently are also good for condensation, table tops etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8mJ-NrhVU0
and even cleaning bathrooms too  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LObHSTkB10E

 ;D ;D

I'm wondering how many on here have actualy lost work because their customers bought a window vac to try to save money on window cleaning costs. I've lost one how about you guy's?  ::)roll
Hi Smurf, thanks for sharing the vids did have a good laugh at them, smear free finish yes for sure window vacs are the way to go.  ;D

I think she forgot to clean the frames  , oh sorry, the karcher doesn't do that does it not? so in a few months time when the sills are going green , that'll be honeymoon period over will it?! People buy one to save money but then realise they haven't got the time or they just can't be arsed anymore  ;D ;D
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Smurf

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Re: Trad versus WFP
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2016, 08:32:05 pm »
I always carry one  in the van as I never know when i'm going to need it  ;D
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