Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => Frequently Asked Questions & Useful Resources => Topic started by: suffolkclean on July 04, 2008, 12:45:27 pm
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We've been doing one off cleans / end of tenancy cleans for £12.50 per hour including materials, working really hard for little profit. If I see the property before hand I think ohh it dosn't need much doing to it and feel I could'nt charge for the size of property - although I want to!
What response do you get when you quote price for size of property against an hourly rate? PLEASE HELP
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Hi there,
if you fill in your profiley ou may get more help, i.e. area, name etc
regards
steve
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We're in Suffolk and we offer various cleaning - windows, carpets & upholstery, regular domestic and one off cleans.
Hope this helps
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Don't give the customer an hourly rate , charge for the job . £12.50 is far too low, remember your in business and need to make a profit, consider your costs , travel , materials , insurance etc. A bit of number crunching and you can work out what you should charge
We have some reoccurring cleans every two months and they work out around £30 + per hour.
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Thanks for that would you beable to share some of the prices you charge with me ?!
I've just quoted for a 2 bed terrace one off clean £150 general cleaning, £27.50 for oven, £20 internal & external windows & £130 for all carpets - What do you think??
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Thats more or less what we would charge, to do one off cleans right there is alot of work involved so you have to charge for it!
we always charge for the whole job but give a break down of individual costs so the customer knows what they are getting for there money, also remember you have to add in cost of materials etc, its not just labour costs!
I think most would like to know what the cost is as a whole rather than per hour, and its not so easy to estimate how long a job can take, so cant give them a realist time length or estimated charge
steve
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That's alot more than we charge. I've just quoted for a 2 bed terrace this evening, complete clean including inside windows & carpets, £175 + VAT. I know that doesn't sound alot but I'm happy with the profit we make, I'll send 2 cleaners for 5 hours, it'll cost me £65 for labour & £10 for materials, that leaves £100. As a result of making less per clean we are always busy, taking on new customers & expanding.
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Clean-master - Hi, is it a total of 5 hrs cleaning or 5 hrs for each to make 10 hrs, do you get them to clean the carpets too?, can't see how where the carpet cleaning cost is worked into that.
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The cleaning will be done by 2 cleaners for 5 hours each ( = 10 hours total ), they are paid £6.50/hour = £65. The carpet cleaning is coming out of this time, otherwise they would clean for 4 hours each, hope that makes sense!
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Clean master,
If you are paying them £6.50 then your true actual cost will be closer to £8.50.
You need to allow for your NI contribution and holiday pay. There are other overheads including vehicles, fuel, uniform, advertising, equipment (vacuums, brushes, etc)
You're probably still making a reasonable profit, just not as much as you think you are!
As a general rule we will work on 40% profit on jobs like this, our minimum hourly rate is £20 + vat, however we have a created a spreadsheet where we load in number of rooms, bedrooms, stairs, windows, doors, kitchen, bathrooms, etc etc and it gives us a magical figure for what the price is. It's not an exact science but it gives us a good feel, we use the same type of calculations for build cleans.
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Clean master,
If you are paying them £6.50 then your true actual cost will be closer to £8.50.
You need to allow for your NI contribution and holiday pay. There are other overheads including vehicles, fuel, uniform, advertising, equipment (vacuums, brushes, etc)
You're probably still making a reasonable profit, just not as much as you think you are!
As a general rule we will work on 40% profit on jobs like this, our minimum hourly rate is £20 + vat, however we have a created a spreadsheet where we load in number of rooms, bedrooms, stairs, windows, doors, kitchen, bathrooms, etc etc and it gives us a magical figure for what the price is. It's not an exact science but it gives us a good feel, we use the same type of calculations for build cleans.
Your hourly rate and profit margin sounds ideal. I know we charge too little resulting in too low profit margin. Would you mind sending me the spreadsheet so that we can copy your method. Thanks
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Hi Lionhart
Would you mind emailing me your spreadsheet sounds like a great idea
babsglitzybitz@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks
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email address for spreadsheet houseproudcleaning@btinternet.com
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Hi. Can you send me your spreadsheet.? i still find difficulty to charge my customers.
my email is crystalclearcc@msn.com
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HI
Please could you send me a copy of the spreadsheet also.
Thank you
brighterclean@live.com
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I have been advised to charge per job, not by the hour. Except for domestic cleaning then it is an hourly rate. Any templates, spreadsheets etc would be good for me to look at as new to all this, excpet being a slave housekkeper for a while and managress for Scubbers in London. Does the franchise Scrubbers still exist? I worked for them around 10 years ago.
Mogs
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Hi I have just found out about Cleanitup. Could Lionheart please send me a copy of your spreadsheet.
pandaservices@blueyonder.co.uk. Thank you
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Hi I would be really grateful of receiving a copy please - I have requested copies on a few occasions but have never received any so if anyone else reads this and you have a copy I would be really grateful for one. Many thanks
Bizzie Lizzie
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Hi
I would be interested in looking at your spreadsheet. Could you please email a copy to karl@cleantechcleaning.co.uk. I have a similar one for office cleaning if your interested.
Karl
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n one for me thanks .retallir@aol.com ( richards window clean ing service )
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Hi
Would it be possible for me to have this spreadsheet also to use as a guide line?
email: enquiries@allwaysservices.co.uk
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Can you please forward a copy to me Lion heart....
denise-80@hotmail.co.uk
Thanks very much :)
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could you add us on your spread sheet list
info@house-maids.co.uk
many thanks
karl
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can you send me the speadsheet too, stephebn@hotmail.com
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I need to quote for my first ever full house one-off clean :o
Its a 4 bed end of tenancy. A bit of a mess, but with next to none furntiure to clean around.
The house owner is willing for carpets to be replaced if uncleanable. So really its just washing walls down, windows, skirting boards then get the hired Rug Doctor on the carpets.
I'm guessing 6 hours for 2 people should cover it, with me doing the Rug Doctoring too.
I was going to quote £150 but after reading this thread i'm thinking its a bit low?
It's going to cost £20 for the Rug Doctor and £20 for the chemicals (But i'll have plenty left over for the next job).
What do you guys reckon?
And if anyone got the spreadsheet, can someone pass it on please :-)
email@maidfresh.co.uk
Cheers
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Hi I have just found this thread so I was wondering if you could email me a copy of your builders cleans spread sheet please to hd7449@yahho.co.uk
many thanks
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Did anyone actually get the spreadsheet?
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Would also be interested int he spread sheet, just set up my own domestic cleaning round.
Thanks
fdservices@live.co.uk
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Hi spread sheet for me too please, im just starting so any help would be great. thanx
caz16
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funny how when someoe mentions a sheet everyone goes crazy and the next 10 replies are email addresses.
instead of emailing you my sheet i'll tell you how to make your sheet personalised to your cleaning style/times.
put room type in one column, time you think it takes you to clean that room in minutes in another column, then leave another for how many of that room there is which is filled in when talking to customer. then at the bottom have a field which works out the total time to clean all the rooms and multiply that number by rate you charge per hour
how i explained it probably sounds more complicated then it really is. if it takes 30 minutes for you for a bedroom and your hourly rate is £12, then each bedroom will cost the client £6.
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I have a spread sheet for spring cleaning / end of tenancy cleans
Drop me an email, Andy
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Hi
I work in sheffield area and would like a copy of your spreadsheet for once off office cleaning please.
e-mail SBCleaning@live.co.uk
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So how U guys charge?
Kitchen?
Bedroom?
Bathroom?
How?
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So how U guys charge?
Kitchen?
Bedroom?
Bathroom?
How?
we charge based on on number of bathrooms, size of kitchen etc. this gives us fixed price and roughly number of hours required.
regards
dash t
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Ok ....still no Idea ow to carge heh ;P
There is a House 2 Double bedroom 1 single bedroom,reception, 2 bathrooms,kitchen, livingroom,entrance hall....
8 windows + 2 doors need to be clean outside and inside
How much would You guys charge for one of deep clean?
That way I should know how to charge....
regards
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deep clean, end of tenancy deep clean or spring clean deep clean? difference would be items in the property and (at least for me) i can charge more per hour for eot then for spring cleans.
kitchen: does that include oven? how many cupboards? extractor fan? approx 3.5 hours to be safe
2 bathrooms: is that shower, shower/bath, just bath, shower door type? tiles around the room? 2.5 hours maybe but a lot more info needed
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bathroom with bath, tils on the floor and walls, kitchen dishwasher,oven,12 cupboards,fridge.
I would say job for 7 max 8 h
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hi there,
ideally you would have a price list
1 bed
2 bed
3 bed
4 bed
5 bed
apartments or houses,
the £150 mark for the 3 bed is in the ball park, adjust slightly for local market forces.
but why include the carpet cleaning for that price.
if you look at a 3 bed house assuming the kitchen and bathroom are hard floor ie not carpet, therefore 3 bedrooms, hsl, lounge, as a minimum, maybe add a dining room, therefore at say £20 per room area for the carpet cleaning 5 x 20 = £100 , i would potentially look at £25 per room, so now you are looking at £275.00 for the job.
lots of one offs, and end of tenancy cleans, have a cleaning company and a seperate carpet cleaning company, and if that were so, they would pay £75.00 to each company, they would be in the region of £150, and at least £150ish if not a lot higher.
the ideal is to get as much out of each cstomer as you can work SMART and hard, not just hard.
regards
martin
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Price according to property size - a price list for not only number of bedrooms but also bathrooms. A two bedroom / two bathroom flat will usually take longer to clean than a three bedroom / one bathroom flat. This is quite often overlooked.
It is not normally practical or cost effective to view before quoting for end of tenancy cleans, and most clients these days want to phone around and compare a list of prices from various companies.
It is often a case of 'swings and roundabouts'. If you quote based on the job rather than an hourly rate then you you'll find that some cleans will be more profitable than others, but it will even out over the course of time.
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Is anyone prepared to share their price guides for
1 bed flat
2 bed flat
3 bed flat
2 bed house
3 bed house
4 bed house
We have been doing EOT cleans for a few years now, I know some bathrooms with bad lime-scaled shower screens can take MAX 2 1/2 hrs with houses that have Bathroom, 2 x En-Suites, 1 x Cloakroom the price is starting to creep up before you've even done the kitchen & utility room. I've not been getting the last few EOT quotes thinking I'm quoting too much but its bloody hard work - last minute full house cleans so I don't want to do them for any less than £16 p hr.
Comments please!
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It would be interesting to see price list for general cleaing. My interest in this is that we are Carpet & Upholstery cleaners, but have been offered a few cleaning contracts. Not sure I need or want the hassle, but if there is money in it, why not. A price list would be very helpful. Please sent to maxcarpets@hotmail.co.uk
Regards
J
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Clean master,
If you are paying them £6.50 then your true actual cost will be closer to £8.50.
You need to allow for your NI contribution and holiday pay. There are other overheads including vehicles, fuel, uniform, advertising, equipment (vacuums, brushes, etc)
You're probably still making a reasonable profit, just not as much as you think you are!
As a general rule we will work on 40% profit on jobs like this, our minimum hourly rate is £20 + vat, however we have a created a spreadsheet where we load in number of rooms, bedrooms, stairs, windows, doors, kitchen, bathrooms, etc etc and it gives us a magical figure for what the price is. It's not an exact science but it gives us a good feel, we use the same type of calculations for build cleans.
Hi, as im new here, but will be very helpful is someone could send me a spreadsheet as well, many thx. email address: ecowashuk@gmail.com
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PLEASE CAN YOU SEND ME YOUR SPREADSHEET
info@sncleaning-services.co.uk
www.sncleaning-services.co.uk
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Clean master,
If you are paying them £6.50 then your true actual cost will be closer to £8.50.
You need to allow for your NI contribution and holiday pay. There are other overheads including vehicles, fuel, uniform, advertising, equipment (vacuums, brushes, etc)
You're probably still making a reasonable profit, just not as much as you think you are!
hi ian would we be able to get a version of your pricing spreadsheet please?
debbie.
As a general rule we will work on 40% profit on jobs like this, our minimum hourly rate is £20 + vat, however we have a created a spreadsheet where we load in number of rooms, bedrooms, stairs, windows, doors, kitchen, bathrooms, etc etc and it gives us a magical figure for what the price is. It's not an exact science but it gives us a good feel, we use the same type of calculations for build cleans.
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Does anyone really think someone is going to send this spreadsheet? The guy must have worked hard and made mistakes to get to this point - why would he give away his prices to his potential competition???? ??? ;)
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Mon Dieux!
This is not rocket science. You are selling time.
It's pointless getting someone else's spreadsheet with their figures / costs in when you perhaps live in ....... London and have congestion charges, higher parking fees, more difficulty placing skips - licenses, whatever whereas Ian R. lives in Gods country where mileages are probably more important to him.
Use a standard costing sheet so you list what you think the job is going to cost you. When you have done the job, do the 'actual' so you can see where you scored / lost in the various expenses you built in, then keep a track of the individual types of jobs. Within a few months you will have worked out a standard ball park hourly rate you must charge for a variety of different jobs of the type you regularly do, based on YOUR facts.
This way you can 'eye-ball' jobs and get a good idea of their worth immediately and are able to give accurate verbal quotes so you can either win the job immediately or gauge the customer reaction.
The mistake most smaller businesses make is to not cost their own time and effort. There is a programme on the TV each Tuesday at 20.00 where one of the Fortes - a family member from a hotel chain started by an Italian immigrant who built a mega business visits a small business in trouble - watch it. It's based on an earlier programme called the Troubleshooter from yonks ago and it is still so relevant for anyone running a small family or 'mom and pop' family business.
If anyone wants a one-off job costing sheet e-mail shaun.causer@newlifecleaning.com Give me a day or so and I will add notes for each line of the spreadsheet so YOU can add your own costs but more importantly know why.
If anyone can walk the talk and come back to me in 6 months with a pile of costing sheets PLUS their actuals and tell me they have learned something (for free Graham from Pest-Pro 'cos that's what the forum is about!) I will donate one hundred quid to the eye savers charity.
I would also remind everyone in this thread that there is probably already stuff like this in the previous questions / forms bit of the forum.
When you really get into costing properly and have a labour force you have to keep employed thats when it gets interesting as its like being a market trader. Again you are selling hours not bananas but you don't want to be left with stock you are paying for at the end of the day, so your prices need to go up and down accordingly. Better to have your costs covered and no profit than paying for staff to sit on their ar*se* and not be doing paid work but that's for another thread ;-)
Call my bluff?
Phil D
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I recently got asked to do a one off clean (this was before I was setup properly, by someone who knew I was going to startup a domestic cleaning firm) anways, I didn't really want the job at that time as I was still working full time nights, but I also didn't want to appear disinterested, so I quoted £160 for the entire job, thinking there was no way I' get it.
I was taken aback when I was given that job, but the people around me thought it was fair price, the lesson I learnt there was that I need to value the job I do, and the care I take doing that job. Anyway a slight digression, on a one off clean surely its better to quote by the day as it is bound to be a job that could take a while.
Still learning all this business stuff, but must admit its fun & exciting working for myself.
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I would be grateful to receive a spreadsheet as well.
jaggerrichard@rocketmail.com
I will not pass it on.
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Hi,
Would it be possible to send me your spreadsheet to help me with costings. I would be most great-full.
lukehutchings@computer4u.com
Thanks,
Jon
Clean master,
If you are paying them £6.50 then your true actual cost will be closer to £8.50.
You need to allow for your NI contribution and holiday pay. There are other overheads including vehicles, fuel, uniform, advertising, equipment (vacuums, brushes, etc)
You're probably still making a reasonable profit, just not as much as you think you are!
As a general rule we will work on 40% profit on jobs like this, our minimum hourly rate is £20 + vat, however we have a created a spreadsheet where we load in number of rooms, bedrooms, stairs, windows, doors, kitchen, bathrooms, etc etc and it gives us a magical figure for what the price is. It's not an exact science but it gives us a good feel, we use the same type of calculations for build cleans.