[jo5hm4n]

Looks like the second lockdown is upon us in Wales in the next few days.

Already had 2 cancels from customers who we've had for 5+ years who have never missed a beat, both telling me they are absolutely skint and on lower furloughed payments.

Looks like we may be in for a rougher ride this winter coming than what we had earlier this year.....


Good luck guys!  Let the cancels roll in!!!!!


I live in a seasonal town on the coast, so the economy here is absolutely trashed.............


Wish me luck
 

[Shrek]

Iv mentioned this before joshman , your not going to get hundreds of cancellations. There probably won’t even be hundreds of job losses in your area , more like 20 people per every town in the uk will lose their jobs. Pensioners still get their pensions , the amount of people working from home now is crazy. There is a lot of business’s that aren’t effected at all and have got busier , insurance companies, stock market traders , Microsoft etc etc .
Adam is from Yorkshire (it’s grim up north) , everyone’s absolutely skint in Yorkshire (or tight) yet he’s managed to get shed loads more work since lockdown.

[G Griffin]

Twenty people per every town will lose their jobs? What are you basing that upon?

[NWH]

20 people per town lol I think you’ll find more than that will be affected,we’ve got a huge wall built down here funded by Trump to keep all the rubbish out 🤣 it starts just North of Watford.

[G Griffin]

We need to worry about these ballet dancers retraining as window cleaners.
It only takes an hour, apparently.

[Shrek]

Twenty people per every town will lose their jobs? What are you basing that upon?

Sorry not 20 , by August there were around 2.7 million people claiming benefits which is on average 55 people per every town in the uk.
Vacancies continued to increase , driven by smaller businesses taking on additional staff.

Early estimates for August 2020 from (PAYE) Real Time Information  indicate that the number of payroll employees fell by 2.4% (695,000) compared with March 2020.

There are around 67 million people in the uk , IF 5 million (example) people became unemployed , how much do you think it would effect you?

There are around 49,058 towns/villages/cities in the uk . 5 million unemployed people in the uk (if divided equally) is around 101 people per town. Do you think you are going to be very unlucky and have 101 cancellations? (1 man band , not multi van operators).

[Shrek]

In Caister-on-Sea in Norfolk (never heard of it) , but apparently it’s a very small place - the population is    8,898. If 100 or 200 people were unemployed here , how much would it effect you?
London has a population of 8,907,918, if 1000 or 5000 people became unemployed here , how much would it effect you?
Something to think about .... anyway , there’s always a few people who cancel in autumn/winter because they can’t be arsed having their windows cleaned for a while. I wouldn’t think too much into it , just carry on cleaning 😃

[jo5hm4n]

Iv mentioned this before joshman , your not going to get hundreds of cancellations. There probably won’t even be hundreds of job losses in your area , more like 20 people per every town in the uk will lose their jobs. Pensioners still get their pensions , the amount of people working from home now is crazy. There is a lot of business’s that aren’t effected at all and have got busier , insurance companies, stock market traders , Microsoft etc etc .
Adam is from Yorkshire (it’s grim up north) , everyone’s absolutely skint in Yorkshire (or tight) yet he’s managed to get shed loads more work since lockdown.

Too be honest im not worried about losing work as i run lead generation and canvassing business so i can just go mad and get tons of new work in if i have too just like Adam did recently.

Im more concerned for my local town.  I live in a seaside resort town and its a ghost town here.  There was already problems with jobs in winter as its a seasonal town but now even non seasonal businesses are closing down here so alot of people will be losing their jobs.  Hospitality industry is massive in my hometown and its literally on its knees.

So i know for sure numbers in my town will be very high....


As i say though truth be told i aint worried ill just bang out some lead generation if i have too and let the customers roll in.

[Shrek]

Iv mentioned this before joshman , your not going to get hundreds of cancellations. There probably won’t even be hundreds of job losses in your area , more like 20 people per every town in the uk will lose their jobs. Pensioners still get their pensions , the amount of people working from home now is crazy. There is a lot of business’s that aren’t effected at all and have got busier , insurance companies, stock market traders , Microsoft etc etc .
Adam is from Yorkshire (it’s grim up north) , everyone’s absolutely skint in Yorkshire (or tight) yet he’s managed to get shed loads more work since lockdown.

Too be honest im not worried about losing work as i run lead generation and canvassing business so i can just go mad and get tons of new work in if i have too just like Adam did recently.

Im more concerned for my local town.  I live in a seaside resort town and its a ghost town here.  There was already problems with jobs in winter as its a seasonal town but now even non seasonal businesses are closing down here so alot of people will be losing their jobs.  Hospitality industry is massive in my hometown and its literally on its knees.

So i know for sure numbers in my town will be very high....


As i say though truth be told i aint worried ill just bang out some lead generation if i have too and let the customers roll in.

But if you look at the bigger picture- there are nearly 700k people living in north Wales .   I’m sure you’ll be ok , especially if you do lead generation 👍

[Bungle]

I’ve heard there will be another loch down in Scotland 

[Mike55]

With one recorded death in Wales today, and an average age of death cases at 82.4 years old, you can see the need for another full lockdown.  The best course of action is to throw more businesses under the bus and put more people into unemployment 

[G Griffin]

I think there'll be another national lockdown.
I reckon they'll move everyone to tier 3 rather than tier 3 regions going back to tier 2.
Let's hope it doesn't come to that but I can only see things getting worse before they get better.

[Stoots]

To be fair, i think most of window cleaners seemed to have done really well since lockdown.

However that was summer time, the furlough and self employed schemes were in full flow, people were treating it as a holiday working from home or on furlough. Also there was a sense of community spirit, people wanted to do their bit to support the small business, i know a few of my customers were keen to show their support....

However this second wave could be different. Its getting dark and cold, generally people are more miserable, the furlough schemes are ending and the holiday period is over. People are facing redundancies end of this month (my dad is waiting to find out if he still has a job next week). People are getting fed up of covid, theres less community spirit about it. When push comes to shove people will look after number one.

Dont be surprised if its a hard few months ahead, but then dont be surprised if its not.

Just keep going. We might be snowed in for a month, who knows what winter will bring.

[Soupy]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

[zesty]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

[G Griffin]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

Correct.
They'll have to extend the furlough and grants if they lock people down. They'll have to find the money because not doing so could be even more disastrous.
If one man can refer to $400 million of debt as a "peanut" then a country like ours shouldn't go under.
It's a pity that we've burnt a few bridges lately.

[G Griffin]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

[Stoots]

Full lockdown ruins the economy

Going about life with zero restrictions kills way too many people.

Given that, it makes total sense to find a balance and protect the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on.

Minimise deaths whilst minimising the effects on the economy.

What else can we do but ride it out and wait for a vaccine.

[CleanClear]

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

There were 12,374,440 people aged 65+ in the UK in 2019.
But there are 14,843,119 people who lived in a household with someone aged 65+
Additionally (in England alone) there were 2,240,850 patients on the Shielded List - though some of these over 65, so there's some overlap).Trying to isolate and supply food to all these 15-16m people while the virus spiked would be a monumental undertaking, & much like a hard (6 month at least) lockdown for a large part of the population.  It’s not clear how we’d safely supply them with food?

[G Griffin]

Full lockdown ruins the economy

Going about life with zero restrictions kills way too many people.

Given that, it makes total sense to find a balance and protect the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on.

Minimise deaths whilst minimising the effects on the economy.

What else can we do but ride it out and wait for a vaccine.

You're right.
You can't separate public health and the economy; they are dependent on each other.
We are the economy, so the government has to look after us and our jobs.
They'll just have to stump up the cash so that there are jobs and people to do them safely when we can control the virus.
If they don't, they can retrain to do other jobs.

[zesty]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

[CleanClear]

We have to learn to live with it.

Some of us you mean surely ? 

[zesty]

We have to learn to live with it.

Some of us you mean surely ? 

Nope. We 

Vallance has already mentioned we may never get rid of this virus.

There’s gotta come a time when we crack on.

The general consensus among my customers and family is to crack on. Whilst taking precautions and protecting the vulnerable as best we can, key words here ‘as best we can’.  No one is suggesting we can completely protect peolple. We haven’t managed thah in full lockdowns anyway. We just suppress it until the next time. And so it goes on, and on, and on, as jobs are being lost and people’s livelihoods with it.

[dazmond]

there is a good chance THAT WE WONT FIND AN EFFECTIVE VACCINE  IN THE NEXT 5 YEARS......

so what will we do then?next year and the year after that?and so on......and so on.......

some so called experts are saying coronavirus is here to stay and itll just be doing the rounds every year like different strains of  flu,etc......

if we need to learn to live with it we cant keep having these restrictions.....we should OPEN EVERYTHING UP to give people and businesses a fighting chance.........

[G Griffin]

I'm not suggesting we carry on with it indefinitely but what's the alternative, at the moment? We couldn't even shield the PM  .
People working from home is not separating public health and the economy. It's the two working together.
But thousands of people can't work from home and those that have to come into contact with the vulnerable are a part of society. Do we shield those that care for the vulnerable, as well?
And their families? And their families and friends?

[Shrek]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

[Soupy]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

The UK and the USA should be handling this better than the likes of Vietnam, or bureaucracy crippled EU countries, shouldn't they?

[Dave Willis]

Which countries aren’t being affected economically? Who’s got all this money to lend to everyone?

[Soupy]

Which countries aren’t being affected economically? Who’s got all this money to lend to everyone?

Nobody, as far as I can tell.

We have a high death rate AND a particularly badly effected economy though. All down to poor handling I'm afraid.

[G Griffin]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

I'm blaming Johnson and Trump for a lot of the deaths.
That pair couldn't protect themselves from the virus.

[G Griffin]

Which countries aren’t being affected economically? Who’s got all this money to lend to everyone?

Nearly 50,000 at the NZ v Australia rugby game, recently.
The government.

[G Griffin]

there is a good chance THAT WE WONT FIND AN EFFECTIVE VACCINE  IN THE NEXT 5 YEARS......

so what will we do then?next year and the year after that?and so on......and so on.......

some so called experts are saying coronavirus is here to stay and itll just be doing the rounds every year like different strains of  flu,etc......

if we need to learn to live with it we cant keep having these restrictions.....we should OPEN EVERYTHING UP to give people and businesses a fighting chance.........

What will the virus do should this happen?
And why do you think that the government are not doing it?

[Jonny 87]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

[tlwcs]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

I'm blaming Johnson and Trump for a lot of the deaths.
That pair couldn't protect themselves from the virus.

You still think Trump had it? I thought it was a publicity stunt

[dazmond]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

[Dave Willis]

No he definitely had it.

[G Griffin]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

I'm blaming Johnson and Trump for a lot of the deaths.
That pair couldn't protect themselves from the virus.

You still think Trump had it? I thought it was a publicity stunt

I agree; I don't think he did.
Even if he didn't what he was doing before and after was stupid and he shouldn't be trusted to deal with a pandemic.
Or anything really.

[Richard iSparkle]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

i was thinking the same.

for the love of god...  why is nobody asking the window cleaners what the solution is??

[G Griffin]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

[G Griffin]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

i was thinking the same.

for the love of god...  why is nobody asking the window cleaners what the solution is??

They can't be trusted.
I don't know what the solution is but I know what the solution isn't and a few window cleaners are suggesting it.

[Richard iSparkle]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

exactly this. this s the problem which nobody can answer when they say open up the country and let the virus run amok.

what happens to the health workers?

do we just expect them to keep going to work when they are at risk of catching it in its more severe form?

remember they're not saying only the front line NHS staff will be manning the wards if the NHS gets over run. it's anyone who is employed by the NHS be they admin staff, cleaners, psychologists... if the wards are overrun they told ALL NHS employees they may get redeployed into direct contact with covid patients

and you expect them to just be fine with that and do it?

some of them will for sure, but i know a lot of trained nurses who were close to quitting the first time round with the lack of PPE and what they were being told they were expected to do

[CleanClear]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

If we where to go down the "let the fittest survive" route then we wouldn't need an NHS.

[G Griffin]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

If we where to go down the "let the fittest survive" route then we wouldn't need an NHS.

Or the Prime Minister  .

[dazmond]

How did the spanish flu die out back in 1918?because of herd immunity?

[Richard iSparkle]

How did the spanish flu die out back in 1918?because of herd immunity?

spanish flue was very different tho. it killed loads of young and very fit people including young adults and pregnant women and babies were very vulnerable to it i believe.

imagine what would be happening in the world if that were the case now?

how many people would be saying open up and let it hit til we get herd immunity.

i think i would be hiding in a bunker with a tin foil hat on

[Dave Willis]

It was cured by window cleaners.

[james peters]

I live in wales .... first time around I did have six weeks off ...
this shut  down I am not .
my reasons are .... back in march I didnt know enough ... no body did ...my partner is a nurse and I could see that people were dying on her shifts from covid .
I still have opinions on certain things . ...
it is all starting again on her ward ... its not nice at all .
the government have to offer more help ... not to us ... but the those affected ... hospitality . gyms etc .,
I dont think us windie washers realise how lucky we are

[G Griffin]

How did the spanish flu die out back in 1918?because of herd immunity?

Flu is still around and we have a vaccine for it now.
Herd immunity is not a plan of action, it is the outcome. You can't attempt herd immunity without a vaccine or without knowing a lot more about the virus.
Even Donald Trump said that attempting it would be "catastrophic". Even Donald Trump, I tell you.

[Soupy]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

I hope trump wins too.

Otherwise the world will be laughing at our clown in chief instead.

[Shrek]

What is it specifically you don’t like about trump?

[Soupy]

What is it specifically you don’t like about trump?

Trump's great.

Best stand up comedian of his generation.

[TomCrowther]

I won’t be rushing to have the vaccine when it’s available. No way.
As well as the massive damage to the economy as a result big lockdowns. There is all these poor numptys who have missed their check ups for cancer etc who haven’t had the necessary surgery or drugs. 24 million fewer doctors appointments compared to the same period last year.

[dazmond]

I live in wales .... first time around I did have six weeks off ...
this shut  down I am not .
my reasons are .... back in march I didnt know enough ... no body did ...my partner is a nurse and I could see that people were dying on her shifts from covid .
I still have opinions on certain things . ...
it is all starting again on her ward ... its not nice at all .
the government have to offer more help ... not to us ... but the those affected ... hospitality . gyms etc .,
I dont think us windie washers realise how lucky we are

Yes we are very lucky.....so no time off this time.....just crack on and keep the money rolling in....

[G Griffin]

What is it specifically you don’t like about trump?

You can't really be specific about that. It wouldn't be fair on the other aspects of him being a complete MODDED.

[G Griffin]

I won’t be rushing to have the vaccine when it’s available. No way.
As well as the massive damage to the economy as a result big lockdowns. There is all these poor numptys who have missed their check ups for cancer etc who haven’t had the necessary surgery or drugs. 24 million fewer doctors appointments compared to the same period last year.

How will not having the vaccine help cancer patients?
It will have the opposite effect and might even save lives.

[Dave Willis]

I’m not having one. I’ve heard it’s going to have a microchip in it. They will be able to see if I’ve missed Mrs Smiths bathroom window again 🙄

[TomCrowther]

I don’t believe it will have had sufficient testing.

[Shrek]

What is it specifically you don’t like about trump?

You can't really be specific about that. It wouldn't be fair on the other aspects of him being a complete MODDED.

I think he’s brilliant, the 1st president who can’t be bought as he’s a billionaire and it’s driving people mad. Say it how it is mr president, say it how it is 
He’s had the Chinavirus and now he’s doing great!

[Soupy]

What is it specifically you don’t like about trump?

You can't really be specific about that. It wouldn't be fair on the other aspects of him being a complete MODDED.

I think he’s brilliant, the 1st president who can’t be bought as he’s a billionaire and it’s driving people mad. Say it how it is mr president, say it how it is 
He’s had the Chinavirus and now he’s doing great!

His near 1billion dollar loans falling due over the next few years (much of which is to the bank of China) suggests otherwise.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-debt-to-china

[G Griffin]

What is it specifically you don’t like about trump?

You can't really be specific about that. It wouldn't be fair on the other aspects of him being a complete MODDED.

I think he’s brilliant, the 1st president who can’t be bought as he’s a billionaire and it’s driving people mad. Say it how it is mr president, say it how it is 
He’s had the Chinavirus and now he’s doing great!

Can't be bought?  Where did he get his money from?
He's a proven liar and it does drive tax paying people mad that a 'billionaire' is 'smart' enough not to pay what he should.
So mad that they'll vote for a 78 year old. Driving people mad might be funny but it isn't a good election strategy.

[Soupy]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

i was thinking the same.

for the love of god...  why is nobody asking the window cleaners what the solution is??

Don't do yourself down. I'm sure you'd do just as well, if not better, than a failed (fired for lying) journalist or corrupt property developer come gameshow host.

[Richard iSparkle]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

i was thinking the same.

for the love of god...  why is nobody asking the window cleaners what the solution is??

Don't do yourself down. I'm sure you'd do just as well, if not better, than a failed (fired for lying) journalist or corrupt property developer come gameshow host.

to be honest i wouldn't want that job though 

its probably one of those jobs that if you WANT it... you're not the right person to do it...

personally i'd like  angela merkel (or jurgen klopp) as our PM. someone refreshingly honest and straight talking would be a massive improvement

[Shrek]

He’s done more for the USA  in 4 years than Biden did in 47 years! Biden what a joke 😂 doesn’t know where he is , forgets what job he’s running for , forgets people’s names 😆. Needs a teleprompter for rehearsed questions, you couldn’t make it up . What an embarrassment 😂

[G Griffin]

He’s done more for the USA  in 4 years than Biden did in 47 years! Biden what a joke 😂 doesn’t know where he is , forgets what job he’s running for , forgets people’s names 😆. Needs a teleprompter for rehearsed questions, you couldn’t make it up . What an embarrassment 😂

200,000 dead, a million unemployed in a week and civil unrest? 
I don't know what Biden has been doing for the last 47 years but I bet he's not overseen the above.
Trump is making America great again. Let's see if the American people think the same.

[zesty]

Without the pandemic, trump was doing very good things for the American economy.

I don’t think it matters who’s in charge during this type of pandemic, with a population of 330 million, you’re going to have a lot of deaths.

It’s not as if trump can control people to point of not letting them out the house. Deaths will occur.

Plus the fact, most of the deaths are ‘with Covid’ not necessarily ‘of Covid’.

It’s dem cities that are war zones now, with mental left wing nonsense.

I think there is this stupid unrealistic expectation that the government should somehow protect everyone all the time. It’s ridiculous.

[Shrek]

He’s done more for the USA  in 4 years than Biden did in 47 years! Biden what a joke 😂 doesn’t know where he is , forgets what job he’s running for , forgets people’s names 😆. Needs a teleprompter for rehearsed questions, you couldn’t make it up . What an embarrassment 😂

200,000 dead, a million unemployed in a week and civil unrest? 
I don't know what Biden has been doing for the last 47 years but I bet he's not overseen the above.
Trump is making America great again. Let's see if the American people think the same.

It’s trumps fault they died? Really? Come on , have you not seen how many fat Americans used to zoom round Disneyworld on their mobility scooters because they are too fat to walk?! It’s not trumps fault,the population is 331 Million! Of course their figures will be higher.  look at how many people in the uk , was it Boris’s fault?
116k deaths in India - does this get mentioned ? Does their government get blamed for it? No .
Brazil - 154k deaths , no one to blame? Ah ok , but it’s ok to blame trump for the chinavirus 

[G Griffin]

Without the pandemic, trump was doing very good things for the American economy.

I don’t think it matters who’s in charge during this type of pandemic, with a population of 330 million, you’re going to have a lot of deaths.

It’s not as if trump can control people to point of not letting them out the house. Deaths will occur.

Plus the fact, most of the deaths are ‘with Covid’ not necessarily ‘of Covid’.

It’s dem cities that are war zones now, with mental left wing nonsense.

I think there is this stupid unrealistic expectation that the government should somehow protect everyone all the time. It’s ridiculous.

Suggesting injecting disinfectant is unrealistic.

[G Griffin]

He’s done more for the USA  in 4 years than Biden did in 47 years! Biden what a joke 😂 doesn’t know where he is , forgets what job he’s running for , forgets people’s names 😆. Needs a teleprompter for rehearsed questions, you couldn’t make it up . What an embarrassment 😂

200,000 dead, a million unemployed in a week and civil unrest? 
I don't know what Biden has been doing for the last 47 years but I bet he's not overseen the above.
Trump is making America great again. Let's see if the American people think the same.

It’s trumps fault they died? Really? Come on , have you not seen how many fat Americans used to zoom round Disneyworld on their mobility scooters because they are too fat to walk?! It’s not trumps fault,the population is 331 Million! Of course their figures will be higher.  look at how many people in the uk , was it Boris’s fault?
116k deaths in India - does this get mentioned ? Does their government get blamed for it? No .
Brazil - 154k deaths , no one to blame? Ah ok , but it’s ok to blame trump for the chinavirus 

Yes, it's Trump's fault that thousands of Americans died.
The same for Boris , over here. And that Brazilian blokes, yes.

[Shrek]

He’s done more for the USA  in 4 years than Biden did in 47 years! Biden what a joke 😂 doesn’t know where he is , forgets what job he’s running for , forgets people’s names 😆. Needs a teleprompter for rehearsed questions, you couldn’t make it up . What an embarrassment 😂

200,000 dead, a million unemployed in a week and civil unrest? 
I don't know what Biden has been doing for the last 47 years but I bet he's not overseen the above.
Trump is making America great again. Let's see if the American people think the same.

It’s trumps fault they died? Really? Come on , have you not seen how many fat Americans used to zoom round Disneyworld on their mobility scooters because they are too fat to walk?! It’s not trumps fault,the population is 331 Million! Of course their figures will be higher.  look at how many people in the uk , was it Boris’s fault?
116k deaths in India - does this get mentioned ? Does their government get blamed for it? No .
Brazil - 154k deaths , no one to blame? Ah ok , but it’s ok to blame trump for the chinavirus 

Yes, it's Trump's fault that thousands of Americans died.
The same for Boris , over here. And that Brazilian blokes, yes.

How is it trumps fault? Is it trumps fault upto 61k people die from flu each year?

Watch American bbq showdown on Netflix, typical American fattys. The judges are fattys and contestants are fattys , heart problems waiting to happen. (It’s a good show though , it’s like the British bake off 😃)

[zesty]

He’s done more for the USA  in 4 years than Biden did in 47 years! Biden what a joke 😂 doesn’t know where he is , forgets what job he’s running for , forgets people’s names 😆. Needs a teleprompter for rehearsed questions, you couldn’t make it up . What an embarrassment 😂

200,000 dead, a million unemployed in a week and civil unrest? 
I don't know what Biden has been doing for the last 47 years but I bet he's not overseen the above.
Trump is making America great again. Let's see if the American people think the same.

It’s trumps fault they died? Really? Come on , have you not seen how many fat Americans used to zoom round Disneyworld on their mobility scooters because they are too fat to walk?! It’s not trumps fault,the population is 331 Million! Of course their figures will be higher.  look at how many people in the uk , was it Boris’s fault?
116k deaths in India - does this get mentioned ? Does their government get blamed for it? No .
Brazil - 154k deaths , no one to blame? Ah ok , but it’s ok to blame trump for the chinavirus 

Yes, it's Trump's fault that thousands of Americans died.
The same for Boris , over here. And that Brazilian blokes, yes.

Nonsense.

The government was never going to be able to prevent a virus from killing people.

It also has to be understood that many many of the so called Covid deaths, were actually people who died ‘with’ Covid. Not necessarily ‘of’ Covid.

Whether it was Johnson, that insane man Corbyn, or any other leader, the death toll would be similar.

It’s a number game. The higher the population, the denser the cities, the more deaths. Take New York as an example. A Democrat city, badly affected by Covid deaths, why? Cos of trump. Of course not. Because it’s a massive densely populated city. That’s why.


You also can’t stop 330 million people breaking the rules.

Each state has its own rules. Dem cities have suffered badly. As have all cities. It’s life mate. Nothing is certain, and you can’t keep expecting some miracle leader to hold your hand on every issue.

Life is hard. It includes death. Poverty. Sickenss. Disease. Etc. It’s not a right to be protected from a pandemic.

[Shrek]

Trumps had to fight every single day against the fake media .
A 22 month investigation into how Russia helped him win the election- the result ? Not guilty. No collusion .

[CleanClear]

$721 billion dollar annual defence budget:


Think someone took their collective eye off the ball.

[Shrek]

I think anyone would be proud of themselves to achieve all this in 4 years .

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

[G Griffin]

Pandemic? What pandemic?
It's a hoax. Or it'll disappear like a miracle. If not, inject some disinfectant.
I give you "a stable genius".

[CleanClear]

I think anyone would be proud of themselves to achieve all this in 4 years .

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

Yep, his administration certainly know what they're doing when it comes to economy.....

[Shrek]

China is the only country that’s benefited from the virus.

[NWH]

I don’t know  why people are going on quiet so much about it now it’s happening and for the foreseeable future it’s going to remain the same,we are very lucky we can carry on as usual.

[LT carpet cleaning]

What is it specifically you don’t like about trump?

It’s trendy and oh so woke to dislike Trump. It’s also a certain type that dislikes him. Usually hysteric, bitter scweeeeamers.

Great fun to watch. 

[LT carpet cleaning]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

Don’t think so. In the same way that the UK hasn’t.

 

[CleanClear]

It’s also a certain type that dislikes him.

Yeah, everyone you wouldn't see on the Jeremy Kyle show or a Jerry Springer show 

[LT carpet cleaning]

It’s also a certain type that dislikes him.

Yeah, everyone you wouldn't see on the Jeremy Kyle show or a Jerry Springer show 

You don’t see anybody on that kind of show. Because neither of those 2 shows are on any more.

Berk. 

[LBWCS]

I’m sorry, which is the best Gardiners brush?

Haha you guys

[G Griffin]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

Don’t think so. In the same way that the UK hasn’t.

 

No, that's why I said that it hasn't.
Do keep up  .

[LT carpet cleaning]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

Don’t think so. In the same way that the UK hasn’t.

 

No, that's why I said that it hasn't.
Do keep up  .

The bit in red? Here, have another 

[G Griffin]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

Don’t think so. In the same way that the UK hasn’t.

 

No, that's why I said that it hasn't.
Do keep up  .

The bit in red? Here, have another 

I asked have any other countries gone bankrupt. How is that saying that ours has?
I'd already posted that the economy isn't wrecked  .

[LT carpet cleaning]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

Don’t think so. In the same way that the UK hasn’t.

 

No, that's why I said that it hasn't.
Do keep up  .

The bit in red? Here, have another 

I asked have any other countries gone bankrupt. How is that saying that ours has?
I'd already posted that the economy isn't wrecked  .

By saying “other” that implies “we” have. 

But it’s just your usual hysterical whining against the government. 

[G Griffin]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

Don’t think so. In the same way that the UK hasn’t.

 

No, that's why I said that it hasn't.
Do keep up  .

The bit in red? Here, have another 

I asked have any other countries gone bankrupt. How is that saying that ours has?
I'd already posted that the economy isn't wrecked  .

By saying “other” that implies “we” have. 

But it’s just your usual hysterical whining against the government. 

It doesn't.
Our country isn't bankrupt but others might be  .

You're whining about alleged whining. I have said that the economy isn't wrecked but you can't wait to jump in and....errr....whine.
On other occasions I will whine about the shambolic government and you will whine about that  .

[LT carpet cleaning]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

Don’t think so. In the same way that the UK hasn’t.

 

No, that's why I said that it hasn't.
Do keep up  .

The bit in red? Here, have another 

I asked have any other countries gone bankrupt. How is that saying that ours has?
I'd already posted that the economy isn't wrecked  .

By saying “other” that implies “we” have. 

But it’s just your usual hysterical whining against the government. 

It doesn't.
Our country isn't bankrupt but others might be  .

You're whining about alleged whining. I have said that the economy isn't wrecked but you can't wait to jump in and....errr....whine.
On other occasions I will whine about the shambolic government and you will whine about that  .

You’re whining because you’re embarrassed about being made to look daft. Again. 

[G Griffin]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

Don’t think so. In the same way that the UK hasn’t.

 

No, that's why I said that it hasn't.
Do keep up  .

The bit in red? Here, have another 

I asked have any other countries gone bankrupt. How is that saying that ours has?
I'd already posted that the economy isn't wrecked  .

By saying “other” that implies “we” have. 

But it’s just your usual hysterical whining against the government. 

It doesn't.
Our country isn't bankrupt but others might be  .

You're whining about alleged whining. I have said that the economy isn't wrecked but you can't wait to jump in and....errr....whine.
On other occasions I will whine about the shambolic government and you will whine about that  .

You’re whining because you’re embarrassed about being made to look daft. Again. 

Alternative history?
Again? 

[LT carpet cleaning]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

Don’t think so. In the same way that the UK hasn’t.

 

No, that's why I said that it hasn't.
Do keep up  .

The bit in red? Here, have another 

I asked have any other countries gone bankrupt. How is that saying that ours has?
I'd already posted that the economy isn't wrecked  .

By saying “other” that implies “we” have. 

But it’s just your usual hysterical whining against the government. 

It doesn't.
Our country isn't bankrupt but others might be  .

You're whining about alleged whining. I have said that the economy isn't wrecked but you can't wait to jump in and....errr....whine.
On other occasions I will whine about the shambolic government and you will whine about that  .

You’re whining because you’re embarrassed about being made to look daft. Again. 

Alternative history?
Again? 

Dribble