Alan McTernan

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pidgeon waste chemical?
« on: March 31, 2010, 08:55:56 pm »
Hi Guys,

Have got to remove some pidgeon waste for one of my commercial customers and they have asked me to spray the area with a pesticide when clear!!! Anyone know where i can get some as have goggled it and cant find anything suitable!!!

Cheers
Alan ;)

jamie stevenson

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 09:16:51 pm »
the chemical is called ornikill and you dilute it and use through a sprayer its a biocide  you can find on the internet under this name  or try the pest shop!     jamie

Alan McTernan

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 09:27:23 pm »
Cheers Jamie,

Have just ordered it ;)


cleaner-exteriors

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 09:32:21 pm »
make sure you wear ppe when clearing pigeon waste alan

Alan McTernan

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 09:38:36 pm »
I have  got all the PPE sorted!!!  ;)

Nice to know someone cares  ;D

jamie stevenson

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 09:41:20 pm »
thats  right expecially in confined areas 3m masks are very good read up on internet type in pigeon guano removal theres companys deal with this all the time thay would say on there sites the precortions etc

jamie

Alan McTernan

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 09:47:25 pm »
I done one last year in a church bell tower so got all the gear then!!! Full 3M face mask, disposable coveralls, boot covers, chemical gloves, gaffer tape for taping gloves to coveralls ;)

Looked like i was about to go on a space mission ;D

jamie stevenson

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 10:23:05 pm »
my wife does crime scene/ trauma cleaning and ive helped her a couple of times walking up the town in brighton about 6 oclock in the evening fully suited up with masks and tyvek suits and carryiny bio-hazard bags you get some funny looks!!!! 

jamie

Alan McTernan

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 10:41:12 pm »
I would have thought in certain parts of Brighton that is standard for a Friday night ;)

BDCS

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 11:36:11 pm »
What it it about pigeon guano this year ? i did one last month and quoting on one in Dover tomorrow. PX ornikill ain't cheap !

Pristine Clean

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2010, 06:44:30 am »
Do you need to be qualified to remove/dispose of pigeon guano?


Dave
"You have to except that some days you are the statue and other days you are a pigeon"

BDCS

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2010, 08:25:32 am »
You only need a waste carriers licence and an idea of the inplications helps - pigeon guano carries allsorts of bad things, full ppe and a chemical

Blast Off Stoke

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2010, 08:37:25 am »
What about disposal ?

BDCS

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2010, 10:25:03 am »
Being a waste carrier you will get the correct code and dispose in the correct manor, in theory its biowaste but when thoroughly disinfected with the correct chemical it can go to landfill

Alan McTernan

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2010, 05:46:59 pm »
Hi Carl,

I hope you charge well, as i think i do and then they rip my arm off so maybe not ???

BDCS

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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2010, 06:13:18 pm »
I charge the same dayrate for this type of cleaning as I do for a days drain work

BDCS

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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2010, 06:19:59 pm »
same room

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nathann

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2010, 11:20:27 pm »
Hi

So how and where did you dispose of the waste  ???

Nathan
British Biohazard Recovery Association (BBRA)

BDCS

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2010, 11:28:23 pm »
The dead birds have to go to incineration - as per any pest control job via a farm incinerator or vets and the guano to landfill. Do you disagree ?

nathann

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2010, 11:38:31 pm »
Do i disagree .. not so much, just after the person, company or organisation you got you information from with regards to the disposal method ect.

Nathan :)
British Biohazard Recovery Association (BBRA)

jamie stevenson

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2010, 12:06:05 am »
hi im new to all this but i thought once sprayed with ornikill it could go to land fill thats the guano im on about.   jamie

nathann

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2010, 06:59:20 am »
Hi Jamie,

As long as the guano is pre treated, you can take it for deep burial at a landfill site.. i was just trying to find out were people get there info with regards to this type of thing, thats all.  ;)


Nathan
British Biohazard Recovery Association (BBRA)

BDCS

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2010, 09:21:19 am »
 I trained with the NACSC - and who do you think I should have used ? Why go round the trees attempting to pull people on practices and just lay the cards on the table - tell us your into provision of training and you may recruit a few.
  I think I should go on the other course and then I can judge for myself which is best  ::) ::) ::)

nathann

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2010, 10:14:32 am »
The thing is im not trying to recruit people on to the training we offer at the British Biohazard Recovery Association, we have alot of people already booked up, and if i was then i would be up front about it ok....  ::)

The reason im asking is that this is a very gray area the Environment Agency are not very clear on this the same a Defra, and thats why im trying to ascertain where people get there information.

This will help us in what we are currently doing with the Environment Agency thats all.

Nathan  ::)
British Biohazard Recovery Association (BBRA)

jamie stevenson

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2010, 06:20:49 pm »
i have only done 1 guano job which i sub contracted for a compony which fits nets to stop pigeons/seagulls and we bagged it and he got ride of it, it would be good to find the correct way of dumping it? my wife does crime scene cleaning and she has to do transfer notes and that has to be taken and incinarated at the correct places would guano come into the same catorgory as that! ?         

jamie

BDCS

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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2010, 07:17:53 pm »
Yes in a word, dead birds need to be incinerated and the guano transfered to landfill - both need waste transfer notes. Whilst it needs to be done correctly there's nothing to stop you doing it without training. As we stand there is no recognised standard for the training and the authorities don't ever seem to insist on any just a ms and ra. The correct disposal of biohazard as required by the tree huggers is also cattle poo because the fire brigade just hose any spills into storm runs or roadside streams - have you ever seen them with a spill kit on their hands and knees? The sooner they make everybody do it by the book, regulate the training and licence the contractors the sooner we came earn the correct money for the task and kiss goodbye to the cowboys. Do I think this will happen ? nope just like they can't regulate the merchant bankers loosing billions

cleaner-exteriors

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2010, 11:55:32 pm »
nathann and bdcs is there history with you guys?

BDCS

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2010, 12:04:11 am »
Ok - what is the waste code for pigeon guano (not dead birds) or do other people use a code ending in 99 - easy way out !

nathann and bdcs is there history with you guys?

Not as far as I know - I just obtained my training on the other side of the fence. I have a suspision some look down their nose at the NACSC on another forum but it matters not to me - I just care about paying the bills at the end of the month. Politics is for others. i just thought the disposal question was aimed at tripping me up over my disposal methods - why would you ask when you fully know the answer ?

Alan McTernan

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Re: pidgeon waste chemical?
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2010, 07:54:09 am »
Oh dear what have i started ::)

But i am glad there are people out there who are passionate about what they do ;)