Lee GLS

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2011, 09:53:25 pm »
How's the duel trim going to work? It's expensive!

♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 09:54:26 pm »
How's the duel trim going to work? It's expensive!

I think you should buy all 5 Lee & let us know!  :)

Lee GLS

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Nameless Drudge

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2011, 11:00:19 pm »
I`m uncomfortable with these choices of trim,i`m uncomfortable with the price(now the dearest brush on the site) which suggests the other brushes must be inferior in some way.

Its a "Brush too far" for me,i would rather have seen a standard brush offered with extra bristles to help clean sills as an option.

Confuse em you lose em.

And while i`m having a moan i think its time to stop offering any brushes for sale with black bristles,it is without a doubt handier to know if you have just picked up heavier than expected contamination by brushing an upper sill by being able to see it  before you take it all to the next window.




♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2011, 11:27:44 pm »
I`m uncomfortable with these choices of trim,i`m uncomfortable with the price(now the dearest brush on the site) which suggests the other brushes must be inferior in some way.

Its a "Brush too far" for me,i would rather have seen a standard brush offered with extra bristles to help clean sills as an option.

Confuse em you lose em.

And while i`m having a moan i think its time to stop offering any brushes for sale with black bristles,it is without a doubt handier to know if you have just picked up heavier than expected contamination by brushing an upper sill by being able to see it  before you take it all to the next window.





I can't see why it suggests the other brushes are inferior? ???

It's good that they are going to fill a gap in the market IMO- a lightweight sill brush. Add to that, they've given a choice of trims to suit everyone?

poole bay

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2011, 11:56:47 pm »
So which  one will clean the cils better it's mad 5 different ones any one no

JSMC

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2011, 12:24:40 am »
vikan red square brush 2 jets sorted

Mike #1

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2011, 06:19:07 am »
vikan red square brush 2 jets sorted


Its like a brick mate found an old one in the shed yesterday and tried using it on a fascia clean , it was useless and the end of the bristles got clogged up with cobwebs ,  would rather stick with the Superlite range

Lee GLS

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2011, 08:48:49 am »
I`m uncomfortable with these choices of trim,i`m uncomfortable with the price(now the dearest brush on the site) which suggests the other brushes must be inferior in some way.

Its a "Brush too far" for me,i would rather have seen a standard brush offered with extra bristles to help clean sills as an option.

Confuse em you lose em.

And while i`m having a moan i think its time to stop offering any brushes for sale with black bristles,it is without a doubt handier to know if you have just picked up heavier than expected contamination by brushing an upper sill by being able to see it  before you take it all to the next window.






How is having 5 any different to the standard super lite range? Let's count them.

1. SL DT Mono
2. SL ST Mono
3. SL DT Flocked 0 deg
4. SL DT Flocked 15 deg
5. SL DT Flocked Standard

Oh that's 5  :o that's far too many, I hope you have never used one of those brushes because the choice is too confusing.

Having choice caters for everybody personal preference  ;) ;D

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2011, 09:20:43 am »
I`m uncomfortable with these choices of trim,i`m uncomfortable with the price(now the dearest brush on the site) which suggests the other brushes must be inferior in some way.

Its a "Brush too far" for me,i would rather have seen a standard brush offered with extra bristles to help clean sills as an option.

Confuse em you lose em.

And while i`m having a moan i think its time to stop offering any brushes for sale with black bristles,it is without a doubt handier to know if you have just picked up heavier than expected contamination by brushing an upper sill by being able to see it  before you take it all to the next window.





I will attempt to address the issue of confusing choice.  Firstly,  there will be a lot more information about these brushes on the website and also on You Tube before they are available for sale.  This will mean that it will be very easy to make a choice from the options but I still feel that it is necessary to have all these options - not that any one person will use all 5 options!  They all clean window sills as well as windows and they all offer a wide radius of bristles which can also help when cleaning conservatory roofs, gutters, cladding, etc.  

Three choices of bristle type - this is simply to cater for personal taste on the softness of the brush.  

The stiff one is generally just for specialist work for occasions when a really hard scrub is needed but I would not recommend it for standard window cleaning work.

The soft one is for those that like a soft brush currently - for instance, if you like using the soft Xtreme brush you will also like the feel of the soft sill brush.

The medium one is for those that like a medium stiffness brush - for instance, if you like using the standard Xtreme brush you will also like the feel of the medium sill brush.

Two choices of trim - this is to cater for those that like a dual trim brush for standard window cleaning.  

Dual trim brushes where first introduced specifically for window cleaning (by Tucker) as they are ideally suited for cleaning glass.  The outer bristles splay and clean the edges and corners whilst the inner bristles scrub the rest of the glass.  In most circumstances a dual trim brush will clean glass better than a single trim brush regardless of whether it is a sill brush or not.

Most users should choose the dual trim version as the primary purpose of window cleaning is still to clean the glass  :).

The full trim versions are for those that already use and prefer a single trim brush or a single trim sill brush.  

The main decision for most window cleaners will be which of the two dual trim options to go for.  This will depend on what brush you are using currently, soft or medium.

Of course all of these decisions only apply if you want to use a sill brush. Having taken two and half years to develop this brush and having spent a couple of months working with them I now can see the point of having a sill brush but having said that I still switch back to my lighter Xtreme brush when I can.

Lee GLS

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2011, 09:54:38 am »
Thanks for  the info alex, regarding the dual trim will ij just be 2 rows of bristles that are shorter in the middle?

Also, i can see that this brush will be good with the carbon goose neck for domestic cleaning as there is a better radius of bristles, for instance when cleaning windows down side of a conservatory close to a fence, there will not be the need to adjust the angle of the brush due to the extra bristles, would i be correct in thinking this?

Also one last thing, is there any chance  you could design a way of swiveling the brush when its attached to a carbon gooseneck?  ;D

Erithwc

Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2011, 10:05:40 am »
medium dual-trim white one for me i think   ;D ;D ;D

When will they be on sale for pre-orders alex ??

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2011, 11:07:46 am »
Thanks for  the info alex, regarding the dual trim will ij just be 2 rows of bristles that are shorter in the middle?

Also, i can see that this brush will be good with the carbon goose neck for domestic cleaning as there is a better radius of bristles, for instance when cleaning windows down side of a conservatory close to a fence, there will not be the need to adjust the angle of the brush due to the extra bristles, would i be correct in thinking this?

Also one last thing, is there any chance  you could design a way of swiveling the brush when its attached to a carbon gooseneck?  ;D

1. The dual trim pattern on the sill is unique. It has two rows of shorter bristles on the glass face and then another shorter row on the middle angle row of bristles. This has been done to allow the bristles to splay better on to the bottom of the glass and onto the sill.

2. You would be correct, the greater radius of bristles does make getting the right angle much easier.

3. We have many projects in the design/production process.

medium dual-trim white one for me i think   ;D ;D ;D

When will they be on sale for pre-orders alex ??

We will not be doing pre-orders, when they are ready they will go on sale - we have ordered a large production run so there should be no supply issues (famous last words!)

lee kelly

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2011, 11:34:26 am »
Alex what one would you use for hot water as they dont seem to last long       thanks Lee

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2011, 11:47:12 am »
Alex what one would you use for hot water as they dont seem to last long       thanks Lee


If using hot water all the time then the stiff one would be the best, although the medium should also be fine. We do not recommend use of water over 60°C (at the brush head) with these brushes.

dd

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2011, 11:59:30 am »
Alex

Why are they 20mm smaller than the standard sl range (240 as opposed to 260)

I know it doesn't sound much but for a few jobs I use a 280mm flocked Vikan (gives excellent results) and an extra 20mm does seem to result in less scrubbing. The weight of your sill brush is a little less than an sl so why not make it the same width?

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2011, 12:11:28 pm »
Alex

Why are they 20mm smaller than the standard sl range (240 as opposed to 260)

I know it doesn't sound much but for a few jobs I use a 280mm flocked Vikan (gives excellent results) and an extra 20mm does seem to result in less scrubbing. The weight of your sill brush is a little less than an sl so why not make it the same width?

The stock is 240mm the bristles splay out to 280mm -  It is exactly the same width stock/bristles as the Vikan sill brush which was our starting point and the brush that most sill brush users are used to. We also did not know exactly how heavy it would be until we had an almost finished article. My target weight 2.5 years ago when I started the project was to get a Sill brush that was 300g - however our own range of brushes have come down in weight and many clients are used to lighter brushes now so I did not want to increase the stock size from our original starting point.

If there is demand we may well look at doing a wider version of this brush. We envisage in a year's time that the sill brush at 225g will be our heaviest brush instead of our second lightest. We have learned a lot during this manufacturing process and now feel that our standard brushes will eventually be able to come down to about 170-180g without losing any scrubbing ability.

Lee GLS

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2011, 12:15:33 pm »


3. We have many projects in the design/production process.



 ;) Oh i get ya!

Nameless Drudge

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Re: Gardiners sill brush- nothing like a bit of choice!
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2011, 04:34:45 pm »
Many ,many thanks to Alex Gardiner and i`m comfortable now.