[zesty]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

[CleanClear]

We have to learn to live with it.

Some of us you mean surely ? 

[zesty]

We have to learn to live with it.

Some of us you mean surely ? 

Nope. We 

Vallance has already mentioned we may never get rid of this virus.

There’s gotta come a time when we crack on.

The general consensus among my customers and family is to crack on. Whilst taking precautions and protecting the vulnerable as best we can, key words here ‘as best we can’.  No one is suggesting we can completely protect peolple. We haven’t managed thah in full lockdowns anyway. We just suppress it until the next time. And so it goes on, and on, and on, as jobs are being lost and people’s livelihoods with it.

[dazmond]

there is a good chance THAT WE WONT FIND AN EFFECTIVE VACCINE  IN THE NEXT 5 YEARS......

so what will we do then?next year and the year after that?and so on......and so on.......

some so called experts are saying coronavirus is here to stay and itll just be doing the rounds every year like different strains of  flu,etc......

if we need to learn to live with it we cant keep having these restrictions.....we should OPEN EVERYTHING UP to give people and businesses a fighting chance.........

[G Griffin]

I'm not suggesting we carry on with it indefinitely but what's the alternative, at the moment? We couldn't even shield the PM  .
People working from home is not separating public health and the economy. It's the two working together.
But thousands of people can't work from home and those that have to come into contact with the vulnerable are a part of society. Do we shield those that care for the vulnerable, as well?
And their families? And their families and friends?

[Shrek]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

[Soupy]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

The UK and the USA should be handling this better than the likes of Vietnam, or bureaucracy crippled EU countries, shouldn't they?

[Dave Willis]

Which countries aren’t being affected economically? Who’s got all this money to lend to everyone?

[Soupy]

Which countries aren’t being affected economically? Who’s got all this money to lend to everyone?

Nobody, as far as I can tell.

We have a high death rate AND a particularly badly effected economy though. All down to poor handling I'm afraid.

[G Griffin]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

I'm blaming Johnson and Trump for a lot of the deaths.
That pair couldn't protect themselves from the virus.

[G Griffin]

Which countries aren’t being affected economically? Who’s got all this money to lend to everyone?

Nearly 50,000 at the NZ v Australia rugby game, recently.
The government.

[G Griffin]

there is a good chance THAT WE WONT FIND AN EFFECTIVE VACCINE  IN THE NEXT 5 YEARS......

so what will we do then?next year and the year after that?and so on......and so on.......

some so called experts are saying coronavirus is here to stay and itll just be doing the rounds every year like different strains of  flu,etc......

if we need to learn to live with it we cant keep having these restrictions.....we should OPEN EVERYTHING UP to give people and businesses a fighting chance.........

What will the virus do should this happen?
And why do you think that the government are not doing it?

[Jonny 87]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

[tlwcs]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

I'm blaming Johnson and Trump for a lot of the deaths.
That pair couldn't protect themselves from the virus.

You still think Trump had it? I thought it was a publicity stunt

[dazmond]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

[Dave Willis]

No he definitely had it.

[G Griffin]

The choice shouldn't be kill your gran or ruin your business.

That's not the case in countries with competent governments anyway.

There’s a very strong argument to suggest we sheild the vulnerable and the rest of us crack on with normal life, with precautions.

Why should everyone be in lockdown, when it’s the vulnerable that are at risk.

People then say ‘you can’t just shield the vulnerable’ - yes you can. It’s just not a ‘kind’ thought.

The fact is, the economy is totally wrecked. There will be mass unemployment. Huge 3rd party deaths as a consequence of people not getting the treatment they need.

There is no easy solution, but we have to ask ourselves the question, is destroying the economy, and mounting up astronomical debt, worth it in the long run, when this virus is going to endemic for a long time.

Sheild the vulnerable.  Those that want to sheild, by all means, should.

The rest of us need to crack on.

I’ve got friends in the hospitality industry who are on the brink of collapse. Several pubs and restaurants locally have closed permanently. Many small businesses are letting staff go now. It’s getting pretty dire.

You can't just shield the vulnerable; it's nigh on impossible.
It's ok for most window cleaners because we should be able to continue working but many others can't stay away from the vulnerable.
And the economy is not totally wrecked. I know of a way of wrecking an economy with a virus though. Let it rip through the people that make the economy.

You can to a good extent, they work from home (if they can) and stay away from the masses whilst we wait for this vaccine (which it’s looking increasingly likely there won’t be one for some time)

At the end of the day, we simply cannot carry on as we are.

There will be huge economic damage.

You can never 100% protect people. That’s why you minimise the vulnerable contact, and the rest of the country opens up.

There will be deaths. It’s impossible to avoid that fact.

There are several scientists who are now proposing this is what we do. I think people are starting to realise we can’t carry on with these lockdowns. We just simply can’t. The economy will not survive it.

We are now in 2 trillion, yes trillion, of debt.
More than the value of the U.K. economy. This cannot continue.

We have to learn to live with it.

I totally agree with this , in the uk , Boris isn’t really getting any flak for killing people because it’s his fault blah blah . In America, they are blaming trump for every single death. In fact i don’t know of any other country we’re they are blaming the leader for every death, I hope Trump wins .

I'm blaming Johnson and Trump for a lot of the deaths.
That pair couldn't protect themselves from the virus.

You still think Trump had it? I thought it was a publicity stunt

I agree; I don't think he did.
Even if he didn't what he was doing before and after was stupid and he shouldn't be trusted to deal with a pandemic.
Or anything really.

[Richard iSparkle]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

i was thinking the same.

for the love of god...  why is nobody asking the window cleaners what the solution is??

[G Griffin]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

yep......we need to open everything up or theyll be no NHS left anyway as the economy will be screwed and theyll be no money to fund it........

What'll happen to the NHS when we open everything up?
Have any other countries gone bankrupt yet?

[G Griffin]

You guys should get yourself on the boards of health.

Lots of armchair experts here.

 

i was thinking the same.

for the love of god...  why is nobody asking the window cleaners what the solution is??

They can't be trusted.
I don't know what the solution is but I know what the solution isn't and a few window cleaners are suggesting it.