Which sealants do you use?

« **on:** March 08, 2014, 08:38:49 pm »

Which sealent is the most common one used by people on here to seal block paving? Resiblock?

« **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2014, 09:47:57 pm »

I've been using resiblock for a few years and to be honest don't think I'm going to bother with offering sealing anymore. It's just a big pain in the arse because you want to use a good quality sealer but costs a fair bit of money so you cover all angles with a good quality job but most customers go with the cheapest quote which cuts you out of the job when you get someone come along offering a cheaper price using crap sealer and the customer hasn't a clue most of the time about quality of sealers used. Also then your fighting the weather all the time which reaps havoc with your diary and having a few hundred pounds tied up in sealer on each job doesn't do your finances much good in comparison to a few bags of kiln dried ect. You then have the problem of the sealers living up to what all these companies promise they will do and how long they last which in my opinion sometimes not accurate. These sealers especially resiblock are also very bad for your health ( cancerous ) and I have also experienced nearly passing out at the wheel driving home from a days work applying it so if you do use it make sure you have a mask and never put the wet scuttles in the back of the van because the vapours are dangerous hence my experiance

« **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2014, 11:53:14 pm »

the chap on the driveclean today said a neighbour over the road has had his drive sealed, he said it keeps getting a coating every couple of years, it keeps flaking

no sealing 4 me.

« **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2014, 12:11:19 am »

The reason it keeps flaking is they over coated pu with acrylic

« **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2014, 02:11:36 am »

None.

« **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2014, 10:22:31 am »

Thanks for the replies guys, think my mind is made up I am not going to do sealing unless the customer is adamant on wanting it as I'm hearing lots of people having issues and hassles doing it, ie being priced out of the market etc etc. to save me starting another thread what do people use to remove oil Staines? Brake cleaner, resiblock OR

« **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2014, 11:26:46 am »

David is spot on! Deadly vapours from sealants in the van. Sealing is waste of time and bad for your health. We stopped sealing years ago and have never looked back. Just hope the cancer hasn't set in yet from those di isocynate vapours.

« **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2014, 11:43:47 am »

I don't push sealing but if they want it sealed we seal it.

My main competition tries to seal everything, over sells it gives 5 year warranties and charges a fortune.
and he is a class 1 t1t.

« **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2014, 03:56:17 pm »

Sealing is easy! You all make far too big a thing about it! Use a water based sealer and be done with it

It is because you are trying too hard with Resiblock and the like that you all hate it and get into trouble with it. Spray Aqua Mix Penetrating Sealer on BP and go home

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

« **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2014, 04:30:35 pm »

Quote from: Kevin Martin on March 09, 2014, 03:56:17 pm

Sealing is easy! You all make far too big a thing about it! Use a water based sealer and be done with it It is because you are trying too hard with Resiblock and the like that you all hate it and get into trouble with it. Spray Aqua Mix Penetrating Sealer on BP and go home

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Here we go again, does it act as a joint stabilizer to help inhibit weeds .. no ... hence waste of time

« **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2014, 05:00:18 pm »

Teflon on the fancy stone, Acrylic on the imprint...Resiblock when specified.
No problems with sealing stuff. Wait till it is dry and know when to say no. If it's gypsy drive full of weeds and sinking ....no amount of sealer will sort it out.

« **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2014, 07:51:48 pm »

Quote from: Great Outdoors and In on March 09, 2014, 04:30:35 pm

Quote from: Kevin Martin on March 09, 2014, 03:56:17 pm
Sealing is easy! You all make far too big a thing about it! Use a water based sealer and be done with it It is because you are trying too hard with Resiblock and the like that you all hate it and get into trouble with it. Spray Aqua Mix Penetrating Sealer on BP and go home

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Here we go again, does it act as a joint stabilizer to help inhibit weeds .. no ... hence waste of time
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Its not meant to act as a joint stabiliser it is meant to prevent the block paving from further deep staining. If you want a joint stabiliser then resand it with stabilising sand instead of KDS. I accept all views on sealers but don't knock them till you try them. A water based sealer only requires the surface to be dry not the block itself. It is easy to apply and you get paid!

Kev Martin
Tilingf Logistics ltd

« **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2014, 07:54:35 pm »

Quote from: chris scott on March 09, 2014, 05:00:18 pm

Teflon on the fancy stone, Acrylic on the imprint...Resiblock when specified.
No problems with sealing stuff. Wait till it is dry and know when to say no. If it's gypsy drive full of weeds and sinking ....no amount of sealer will sort it out.

Chris

You won't even be able to use half these sealers next year especially Teflon

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

« **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2014, 08:04:46 pm »

How come whats happening ?

« **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2014, 08:10:26 pm »

Quote from: Kevin Martin on March 09, 2014, 03:56:17 pm

Sealing is easy! You all make far too big a thing about it! Use a water based sealer and be done with it It is because you are trying too hard with Resiblock and the like that you all hate it and get into trouble with it. Spray Aqua Mix Penetrating Sealer on BP and go home

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

how much is aqua seal in decent size packs?

« **Reply #15 on:** March 10, 2014, 12:13:48 am »

It's about £140 delivered inc VAT for 20litres

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #16 on:** March 10, 2014, 12:15:56 am »

Quote from: chris scott on March 09, 2014, 08:04:46 pm

How come whats happening ?

Chris
Ring me and I will talk you through the new regulations or talk to your prisoner in the shed

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2014, 06:51:03 am »

Quote from: Kevin Martin on March 09, 2014, 07:51:48 pm

Quote from: Great Outdoors and In on March 09, 2014, 04:30:35 pm
Quote from: Kevin Martin on March 09, 2014, 03:56:17 pm
Sealing is easy! You all make far too big a thing about it! Use a water based sealer and be done with it It is because you are trying too hard with Resiblock and the like that you all hate it and get into trouble with it. Spray Aqua Mix Penetrating Sealer on BP and go home

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Here we go again, does it act as a joint stabilizer to help inhibit weeds .. no ... hence waste of time
[/quote

Its not meant to act as a joint stabiliser it is meant to prevent the block paving from further deep staining. If you want a joint stabiliser then resand it with stabilising sand instead of KDS. I accept all views on sealers but don't knock them till you try them. A water based sealer only requires the surface to be dry not the block itself. It is easy to apply and you get paid!

Kev Martin
Tilingf Logistics ltd
Kev, Sorry but this is a nonsense. I am not questioning wether it will protect the block, but it simply doesn't solve the problem with block paving. Would have no chance trying to sell this to customers as it only partially solves the problem. Even Smart seal would be better then this option.
Is this not a risk advising people to apply seal if the surface is dry yet the remaining block may still be wet Surely the block has to be dry atleast 10-20mm for the seal to penetrate hence back to climate problems.

« **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2014, 07:18:22 am »

So ARE YOU saying the problem people have with block paving is the sanded joints not the blocks???

Sealing with a water based sealer is completely safe and effective provided the surface is dry. The water in the sealer transports the sealer into the blocks with ease then the water that was the transport system to get the sealer in just evaporates over time with the rest of the moisture from the block. Don't forget the sealer is breathable (MVT).

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

« **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2014, 07:22:21 am »

kevin are you awake?

These numbers are not working!
http://www.marblelife.co.uk/contact-us.asp

« **Reply #20 on:** March 10, 2014, 09:41:48 am »

Quote from: chris scott on March 10, 2014, 07:22:21 am

kevin are you awake?

These numbers are not working!
http://www.marblelife.co.uk/contact-us.asp

Chris

Thanks we are trying to get it sorted

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

« **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2014, 11:20:13 pm »

Kevin is right, he is talking about the REACH act, resiblock told me about it a while back, everyones running around trying to create a solvent alternative, I believe alcohol has been mentioned as one option (as daft as it sounds)

« **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2014, 05:21:40 pm »

Quote from: Kenny83 on March 16, 2014, 11:20:13 pm

Kevin is right, he is talking about the REACH act, resiblock told me about it a while back, everyones running around trying to create a solvent alternative, I believe alcohol has been mentioned as one option (as daft as it sounds)

Kenny

We started getting it sorted nearly 3 years ago. The REACH Regs are going to radically alter things in the industry. The best sealers have always been those that allow the stone to breathe naturally and don't change the surface makeup of the stone. Customers are obsessed with weeds and moss in block paving like it is the guys fault who cleans it! Customers need educating regarding their expectations. If they didn't want weeds or moss then they shouldn't have block paving in the first place.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics