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Dazzler3370

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Extreme or Phantom...??
« on: October 05, 2018, 06:37:21 pm »
Now that the Phantom has been out for a while and for those of you who have or use both. Any recommendations as i currently use the Extreme but will need to change in the new year.

Cheers

Dazzler
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mufcglen

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2018, 10:42:45 pm »
Its only been out a month or two max pal!
Wait until its been out 12 months and we start seeing real wear reviews, if your happy with gardiner stick with them they’re cheaper too and you get a brush and hose included too😉
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Jonny 87

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2018, 11:54:28 pm »
I’ve already heard of bits of rubber falling off them. Think it’s the clamps?

Gardiner extreme for me. Tried and tested.
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SB Cleaning

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2018, 01:53:28 pm »
Can't beat Gardiners :)
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AuRavelling79

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2018, 08:03:41 pm »
What are the weights in comparison for the same length?
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JackieW

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2018, 08:54:08 pm »
Gardiner SLX 22
Extended length = 6.5m (just over 21ft)
Closed length =       1.49m (nearly 5ft)
Weight =                     1270g

Phantom 22
Extended length = ?
Closed length = ?
Weight = ?

Would be helpful with a bit more info I think.

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Stephen Fox

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2018, 07:45:58 am »
Quote from: Jonny 87 on October 05, 2018, 11:54:28 pm
I’ve already heard of bits of rubber falling off them. Think it’s the clamps?

Gardiner extreme for me. Tried and tested.

Jonny, I think you are referring to the removable base caps on the poles...

As for wear...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAdexCc804k
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Soupy

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2018, 08:24:07 am »
Quote from: Stephen Fox on October 10, 2018, 07:45:58 am
Quote from: Jonny 87 on October 05, 2018, 11:54:28 pm
I’ve already heard of bits of rubber falling off them. Think it’s the clamps?

Gardiner extreme for me. Tried and tested.

Jonny, I think you are referring to the removable base caps on the poles...

As for wear...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAdexCc804k



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Paul Golding

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2018, 12:49:42 pm »
Quote from: Stephen Fox on October 10, 2018, 07:45:58 am
Quote from: Jonny 87 on October 05, 2018, 11:54:28 pm
I’ve already heard of bits of rubber falling off them. Think it’s the clamps?

Gardiner extreme for me. Tried and tested.

Jonny, I think you are referring to the removable base caps on the poles...

As for wear...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAdexCc804k

out of interest . . he tightened up the clamp so it would work on the worn part but then never slid the pole back down or never tried it back on the unworn part after he did that . . surely that would make it stiffer to slide the unworn part up and down (Same as on gardiners) . . hence no better
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Stephen Fox

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2018, 08:29:51 pm »
Points noted.

The video is mainly to show how well the clamps grip no matter how badly worn the pole section may become. A pole in normal day to day use would be extremely unlikely, even after years and years of abuse, to ever wear in one spot to this degree.

The Phantom range was designed to not wear from the start, this is a first in the water fed pole industry and is one of the main USP's of the Phantom. Having a softer material in the clamping mechanism greatly helps to minimise wear and tear and keep the pole sections as new as possible. With the added backup of incredible clamping power to stop section spin no matter how worn.
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Den68

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2018, 09:38:22 pm »
Quote from: JackieW on October 07, 2018, 08:54:08 pm
Gardiner SLX 22
Extended length = 6.5m (just over 21ft)
Closed length =       1.49m (nearly 5ft)
Weight =                     1270g

Phantom 22
Extended length = ?


Closed length
Weight = ?

Would be helpful with a bit more info I think.

Agree this info should be available, and find it strange that  WCW  doesn’t provide that.
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dazmond

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2018, 10:18:48 pm »
its ridiculous......extended length/closed length and weight should be standard for ANY pole manufacturer to display for us all to view..... ::)roll
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Stoots

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2018, 08:31:26 am »
I'm sure the slx has deteriorated in quality last couple of years.

My slx 18 is only 6 months old and showing visible wear where the clamps are most used. My last one lasted 3 years.

I think I will try a phantom next even though they are slightly pricier than the equivalent Gardiner's .
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dazmond

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2018, 08:52:59 am »
Quote from: Gomo on October 11, 2018, 08:31:26 am
I'm sure the slx has deteriorated in quality last couple of years.

My slx 18 is only 6 months old and showing visible wear where the clamps are most used. My last one lasted 3 years.

I think I will try a phantom next even though they are slightly pricier than the equivalent Gardiner's .

without knowing the closed length/extended length and weight?
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AuRavelling79

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2018, 11:31:53 am »
Perhaps Stephen Fox will let us know weights and dimensions?

Very important to know when making a decision.
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Stoots

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2018, 02:34:23 pm »
Quote from: dazmond on October 11, 2018, 08:52:59 am
Quote from: Gomo on October 11, 2018, 08:31:26 am
I'm sure the slx has deteriorated in quality last couple of years.

My slx 18 is only 6 months old and showing visible wear where the clamps are most used. My last one lasted 3 years.

I think I will try a phantom next even though they are slightly pricier than the equivalent Gardiner's .

without knowing the closed length/extended length and weight?

I do know the weights/lengths daz  ;)





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dazmond

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2018, 04:57:14 pm »
that puts the phantom 25 hi mod(equivalent to the xtreme)to £720 including VAT..... :o
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dazmond

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2018, 05:00:10 pm »
£642 for the xtreme 25 including VAT and brush/pole hose etc......
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Paul Golding

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2018, 05:15:00 pm »
Quote from: dazmond on October 11, 2018, 04:57:14 pm
that puts the phantom 25 hi mod(equivalent to the xtreme)to £720 including VAT..... :o

It's lighter than the extreme though . . Which is annoying as the equivalent to the slx is heavier ?? Don't get that . . If you're competing for top place then surely you would make it either the same weight or less??  ??? ???
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Stoots

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Re: Extreme or Phantom...??
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2018, 05:37:51 pm »
They are more expensive than the gardiners and dont come with a brush etc so my intitial reaction was to stick with gardiners.

There only selling point is the clamp, if it really does reduce wear and thus the poles last longer than gardiners then its a winner. But we wont find that out for a fair while yet as these havent been out long.
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