Neil Gott

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Pre vacuuming
« on: April 25, 2004, 07:39:31 pm »
Just a bit of idle curiosity
Neil Gott     Southampton U.K.

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HolmansUKLTD

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2004, 07:45:21 pm »
if you read a recent artical in the NCCA mag you will know why you shoul ALLWAYS pre vacuume

Nick
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Tony_Browning

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2004, 09:33:53 pm »
Hi Nick,
What does the article in the NCCA mag say about prevac?
Rgds
Tony  :o
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HolmansUKLTD

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2004, 01:11:07 am »
its a bit long to type it all on here!! i think Derek Boltons the man to ask he could cut and paste it on to here.

regards
Nick
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Dave Parry

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2004, 01:32:02 am »
I would be interested to see the article as I never pre-vac. Dont see the point as I'm using the most powerful vacuum the carpet is ever going to see.
Bracknell, Berkshire,
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Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2004, 01:36:00 am »
Hi Dave how you going on with the cfr wand, how many different types of carpet have you used it on and did you find more improvemnet on drying times in comparison to your standard wand?

Shaun

Ps I know I've asked you some of this before just wanted to know what you thought a couple of months on

Pps How much was the wand?

Dave Parry

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2004, 01:47:39 am »
Hi shaun, don't know were you got the idea I had a CFR wand from, I use a standard swan neck 2 jet wand, which is the same as the one that came with my ninja.
I do have a drimaster upholstery tool which I like , but does use a lot more water than a normal type, but leaves the suite only just damp.
Bracknell, Berkshire,
Phoenix T/M,
http://www.cleanercarpets.org/index.html

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2004, 02:09:13 am »
Sorry Dave,must have been having one of Young Mr. Boltons senior moments!  
"You've all done very well"

who's got a cfr wand then

Shaun

Derek

Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2004, 10:38:49 am »
Hi Nick

Which issue of the NCCA's magazine 'Newslink' was the article you refer to in?

Regards
Derek

HolmansUKLTD

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2004, 11:59:34 pm »
i think it was the one before the latest issue It was titled" the importance of pre vacuuming" by Robert Offilet i think

Nick
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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2004, 12:04:17 am »
sorry its Robert Olifent ;D
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stevegunn

Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2004, 12:06:57 am »
Its in the Febuary newslink page 10

Len Gribble

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2004, 12:57:05 am »
Haven’t read it as not a member yes in principle I understand the need for pre vacuuming but will the customer pay extra for your time?

Len
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Dynafoam

Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2004, 03:18:37 am »
Len,

My customers do not pay 'extra' for my time for pre-vac'ing - they pay for the job and as I consider this an essential element, they are not given the option.

John.


Derek

Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2004, 10:25:40 am »
Hi

I agree with John.... the job should include all the bells and whistles to do the job well and safely ..this is surely part of the reason we pre-survey?

It is the 'bait and switch' operator whose low prices cover cleaning with tap water..everything else comes extra!

I will see if I can get a copy of Robert's article and post it later

Cheers
Derek

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2004, 10:20:23 pm »
have you found it yet Derek

Regards

Nick
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Derek

Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2004, 11:21:02 pm »
Nick

You wouldn't believe I have every issue but that one... I will try to get a copy as soon as I can

Cheers
Derek

Robert_O

Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2004, 03:18:27 pm »
Hi everyone

I will look for the article and post it on the forum.

Cheers

Robert Olifent :)

Robert_O

Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2004, 01:06:00 pm »
from NCCA Newslink Feb 2004

Why dry vacuum? By Robert Olifent


Can I save time by not vacuuming?
Should we always dry vacuum?

There are generally two 'main types' of soil that carpet cleaners need to consider when cleaning carpets and soft furnishings.

1. Dry particulate soil (loose) i.e. sand/grit, dust, soil.

2. Oily greasy soil (bonded)

It has been suggested that in the region of 90% of soiling held within carpet is of the dry particulate dust/grit type soiling. This particulate soil can generally be more effectively removed by a thorough dry vacuuming. If a fully soil laden carpet is wet without dry vacuuming this dry soil becomes a slurry making it far more difficult to remove by wet means. This will often necessitate more wet passes with the floor wand, creating wetter carpets, longer drying and the propensity for wick back and other associated problems of over wetting. So you decide, is it quicker to cut out the pre-vacuum?

Are there instances where it is not necessary to pre-vacuum?

Well this is where the inexact science comes into play, and some would say always vacuum and others would say yes but what if!

As a general rule vacuuming should be carried out religiously, however if a cleaner were faced with a grease-laden carpet in a Chinese restaurant, in my view it would be a total waste of time and effort in pre- vacuuming. Like wise with a pub carpet that is so thickly built up with soil that it is as hard as wood and you cannot see the fibres underneath. This is bonded soil that cannot be dry vacuumed out! All that you will do is to soil up the brushes on you vacuum cleaner unnecessarily, with no benefit to the carpets cleanability.  In my opinion the only way of cost effectively dealing with such a degree of soiling is providing a restorative clean by wet means.

Areas to particularly concentrate the vacuuming are obviously within the main walkways at the ground floor areas adjacent to the outer doorways. Learn to give more effort to these main traffic ways and less effort to the underneath of furnishings where clearly there will be less dry particulate soiling to contend with.

Generally the main soiling that our customers are unable to deal with is that of bonded greasy/oily type soils and staining. This soiling may be deposited from airborne descending cooking vapours, foot trafficked Tar, grease spillages, gum, oils from pet fur, carbon within the atmosphere, body fats, filtration draft marks, etc. etc. These are soils that cannot be readily removed with standard dry vacuuming systems.

So I would have to say that generally it is common sense, by concentrating efforts on the pre-vacuuming (particularly within the main traffic areas) will make the job easier, safer, and leave carpets drier, and what we all want, a happy customer.

Regards
Robert Olifent

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Re: Pre vacuuming
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2004, 05:21:24 pm »
there you go! thats why you should pre-vacuume ;D

the 5 who said never are truckmount users i pressume?

Do you have to vacuume with a truckmount?

Nick
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